Is black, a color?

mbhcsf

Originally posted by saden at 28-1-2009 11:57 PM

heheh... all those pretty pictures that u see on nasa website is actually false color photography. kalau telescope tu bukan visible light telescope (radiowave, xray) dia ganti visible color (sy ...

sliding scale wavelength tu ape?---> ape  as in what not as in ape ( the primates) ekekekek

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 12:02 AM
so then i would say our interpretation of things are pretty much relatives to what we are sensing

but then..it should be stadardised or normalised ( i .e the norms...) somewhere or else we wo ...

hehe..it is NOT a disorder.. whatever test u give will not show any disorder. remember, no internal conflicts in my brain?

mbhcsf

if it is not a disorder i 'd say it is definitely a condition.. there u go....ish ish

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 12:04 AM


sliding scale wavelength tu ape?---> ape  as in what not as in ape ( the primates) ekekekek

hehehe..ala i bagi nama je. katalah dia detect x-ray from this to that range punya wavelength. so, dia gantikan dgn the same range tapi within visible light punya spectrum. barulah kita boleh nampak gambar tu.

katalah range x-ray tu dari 10^-12 sampai 10^-15 meter (numbers out of thin air ok), kemudian katalah visible light dari 10^-8 sampai 10^-10 m wavelength, so dari xray telescope tu, kalau dia detect 10^-12 m xray, dia gantikan dgn 10^-8 m visible light, barulah nampak color spectrum dlm gambor tu. tapi oleh kerana tipu je, tu pasal dia panggil false color photography.

mbhcsf

a person would easily interpreting a "millipede" ( an arachnids)  as "green " too kan?
well still it is not a disorder , right? but just "misinterpretation" hmm

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 12:11 AM
if it is not a disorder i 'd say it is definitely a condition.. there u go....ish ish

adehh..jenuh dah nak explain the nature of the problem. it is not a medical/physics problem..tapi philosophical/metaphysical.spiritual problem

mbhcsf

Originally posted by saden at 29-1-2009 12:13 AM

hehehe..ala i bagi nama je. katalah dia detect x-ray from this to that range punya wavelength. so, dia gantikan dgn the same range tapi within visible light punya spectrum. barulah kita boleh n ...

well eh but then heat does emanate some form of u know visible light kan? or would that also be a form of false colour phtography too?
i am so interested to know more about this...

how about excitation of electrons from one shell to another it does give off certain form of radiation hence colours? yer ker am i just too sleepy ..boleh citer lagi?

mbhcsf

alamak
well if those three tak palah....u are not an astrophysics are't you?
okay nice to see you....

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 12:15 AM
a person would easily interpreting a "millipede" ( an arachnids)  as "green " too kan?
well still it is not a disorder , right? but just "misinterpretation" hmm

a bit difficult to campuraduk a 'shape' (millipede) with color (green)

and yes, it is a matter of interpretation. and who mis-interpreted? the one who sees green as 'that' or one who sees it as 'this'?

mbhcsf

and yes, it is a matter of interpretation. and who mis-interpreted?  the one who sees green as 'that' or one who sees it as 'this

ahaaa..now you see my problem ...that's why we need norms...u see just to note how many percent in the population would view milipede as not green...hehhehhe

mbhcsf

then same goes with the comparison as  forest ( as in many many trees) and green is an attribute of an entity ..hmm...?

mbhcsf

well Saden can i call U Mulder? if u do not mind...

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 12:19 AM


well eh but then heat does emanate some form of u know visible light kan? or would that also be a form of false colour phtography too?
i am so interested to know more about this...

how ab ...

depends on the temperature, if the temp corresponds to visible light, then visible light la, kalau dah terlalu panas/terlalu sejuk, dah beyond visible light punya spectrum pulak. a molecule above absolute zero kelvin keeps on vibrating/moving and this activity gives off radiation.

electron kalau excited pasal dia receives energy. bila dia turun dari excited state tu kenalah dia release balik energy tadi tu. energy tu is released as photon (electromagnetic radiation la ni), the frequency of which depends on drop of electron states tu. kalau within visible spectrum nampakla.

mbhcsf

then would that be the same phenomenon occuring in the outer space? nuclear fission and fusion?
so they would in theory produce lights ( EM ) radi as well

tapi visiblelights ni  ada particle  and wave

tapi kalau radioactive ader ker those two?

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 12:27 AM
and yes, it is a matter of interpretation. and who mis-interpreted?  the one who sees green as 'that' or one who sees it as 'this

ahaaa..now you see my problem ...that's why we need norms...u  ...

haha..u don't need norms, u just need to isolate variables. i mentioned 'forest' just as a simple example la dear. kalau takut org tu tengok shape bila kita suruh tengok color, kena la remove shape as a variable... selubungkan dia dgn kain of different color ke. lepas tu maybe dia tengok texture (of the kain) pulak instead of color. well, somehow remove it juga la

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 12:30 AM
well Saden can i call U Mulder? if u do not mind...

call me Fox ;)

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 12:36 AM
then would that be the same phenomenon occuring in the outer space? nuclear fission and fusion?
so they would in theory produce lights ( EM ) radi as well

tapi visiblelights ni  ada particle ...

arrrr ni dah lain skit. pasal nuclear fission/fusion bukan sebab electron states. nuclear/radioactive punya hal ni is conversion of mass directly to energy. energy ni as EM radiation la...segala macam wavelengths; dari radio waves sampai visible light sampai gamma ray.

EM radiation (that includes visible light) propagates as photon (as the particle form). tapi kena ingat particle-wave duality. everything ada both particle and wave form.

mbhcsf

then what is it?

my that would be the same as your that if and only if

?????

well  still , if we were to consider each and everyone of us has a unique experience in perceiving green/ that / whatever it is ..according to their own perception then

what is what then?

there must be a way of noting or demonstrating that a green is indeed an attribute of an entity


or ...how  sure are you as your "that" is similarly viewed by me as your "that" ...well
hm.. i think u still need norms/ a method that is equally valid and reliable  or else you would not know...


and why green in at the centre of the visible light spectrum? u coudl give me a scientific or spirual - based answer

saden

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 01:00 AM
then what is it?

my that would be the same as your that if and only if

?????

well  still , if we were to consider each and everyone of us has aunique experience in perceiving green/ that / whatever it is..according to their own perception then

what is what then?

that's why it IS a philosophical question ;)

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 01:00 AM
there must be a way of noting or demonstrating that a green is indeed an attribute of an entity

yes, like i said before, just exclude all other variables (shape, texture etc.) just test for color.

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 01:00 AM
or ...how  sure are you as your "that" is similarly viewed by me as your "that" ...well
hm.. i think u still need norms/ a method that is equally valid and reliable  or else you would not know...

i can never be sure and there is no way i can know...unless we find an instrument that can observe the soul. but as long as u point to the same thing as i do when i say 'green', then we are ok (back to 'internal conflict' or 'internal consistency' that i kept on mentioning)

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 29-1-2009 01:00 AM
and why green in at the centre of the visible light spectrum? u coudl give me a scientific or spirual - based answer

no idea weyy tak mau tido ka?

[ Last edited by  saden at 29-1-2009 01:18 AM ]

mbhcsf

ok Mulder ..i  need to sleep now