Reply #86 Chippo's post
We're to discuss.....and no to piss anyone....Why u're so offended when someone ask about doctors opinion regading TF???
Would't it be better if U try to work hand in hand with fellow doctors ??.....Rather that championing ur method and say that doctors are wrong?
The doctors are regulated by the law and of course in treating the patient, we has to give treatments which are testedand approved to be safe and beneficial to the patient.
It's not as easy as some "bomoh" who came out with so called magic potion and claim that his medicines are the god of all medicines...
We have liabilities and must give a responsible opinion...
If we just simply opt to non-registered medicines .... we're no different from those 'bomoh'
Why it is so difficult to get KKM permission and endorsement from MMA or MAKNA if ur method is successfull???
The patient will benefit much more if the method is prescribed legally by all the doctors in Malaysia ... right??
I'm not against any new technique as medicine is always changing.....but the way U put forward ur arguments ... will not help to improve Medical Practitioners acceptance towards TF....
Reply #88 Chippo's post
It's Psoriasis then.....Thanks... Well the fact is, there is no doubt and seriously no doubt at all that medical practitioners have been putting up a false front for too long. Well perhaps not all, but majority of them are definitely doing it.
It has been a conspiracy from day One from medical schools to pharmaceutical companies and the very doctors that graduate from these institutions. How many more patients have to die, from wrong and irresponsible prescriptions before the medical fratenity realises by what they preach, they themslves do not condone such conventional treatment to their own family.
A recent confidential survey was conducted in a very prestigious Cancer Hospital in Canada where 58 out of 62 Oncologists say they will not even consider Chemo or Radio for themselves or their families because they know it does not work. These are the very doctors that promise good chances of recovery from the above 02 methods.
You tell me now? Perhaps the fault does not lie with doctors, its the phamaceutical companies, the drug companies, because they are the ones who conduct all the tests, doctors do not. Doctors are just dumb asses that follow everything a drug company tells them even if it means butchering thousands of innocent people.
I also wanna know why is Vincristine, a banned drug in many hospitals worldwide still being prescribed in Malaysia for Chemo treatment and is called a latest drug whilst it was use already in 1976. Please doctors enlighten me. Personally I have nothing against you guys, I have 4 family members who are in the medical field also, all doctors, it's just that I have seen too many good people wasted by doctors with wrong prescriptions.
To all you guys who are wondering why this thread on Psoriasis has taken a whole new shape and light, sorry guys. Just venting something out here. No offence. Cak aaaaa, I rest my case here.
Reply #91 Chippo's post
OK...lets talk about vincristine (since that's the only med that u keep on repeating)Firstly, ONCOVIN (vincristine) got FDA approval in 1963 and not 1976 and initially marketed and produced by Eli Lily.
2ndly, The side effect of vincristine is caused by administration of the drugs via spinal cath and not through intravenous injection !!
The Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations (JCAHO) and The Institute for Safe Medication Practices has received voluntary information from doctors about six U.S. cases in 30 years .
And of course when administered wrongly, any meds or even normal air that we breath (through air embolism) could be fatal.
And why Malaysia just started using it???Our KKM and specialist may be smart and patient enough to wait and see the success rate and any undesirable side effects in other countries.....before acceptingthe new drugs.
That shows how much we care about our patient and will not subject them to the risk of using dangerous drugs.
Regarding the hospitals which ban this vincristine.....care to name a few and can U compare the numberwhich accept vincristine?? laaa... dah gaduh plak... hehehehe
ok laaa... fyi, my hubby dah berubat kat 3 / 4 negara (msia, spore, india & sri langka) ... xde pun yg prescribe TF nih.... & all skin specialists yg ktorang jumpa - mentioned the same thing... psoriasis nie - bole dikawal, tapi x bole sembuh sepenuhnyer....
& my hubby nyer psoriasis pun - alhamdullilah mmg terkawal.... kalo dia terlalu tension, x jaga pemakanan (my hubby bdn besar skit)... mula laa kena serangan balik... tu pun, x serius... sapu ubat, telan ubat & jaga pemakanan & exercise - dlam 1 week dah kurang balik.... alhamdullilah...
bukan x percaya kat TF.... kalo betul berkesan sangat2.... alex lagi suka... tapi yg alex pelik - ngape TF nie, org x tau? macam yg cak aaa cakap - ngape x work hand-in-hand ngan doktor? Doctors may have their own opinion on this especially those who are driven by the commercial aspects of such drugs with devastating results. To each, his own.
As for working hand in hand with doctors, we are in the process of working with the authorities in Malaysia on various possibilities. You may soon see Malaysia being the 2nd country in the world who accepts TF as the main stream treatment of all Cancers in the country very soon, Russia being the 1st one.
I find it very amusing their Malaysian Smart doctors and KKM had to wait for 30 over years to see if Vincristine was a safe drug to administer. I wonder why Bolehland is never a Medical Hub in the region. You guys provide such comic relief for me. lolz
Reply #94 Chippo's post
I find it very amusing their Malaysian Smart doctors and KKM had to wait for 30 over years to see if Vincristine was a safe drug to administerHehehe....and dont worry.....U can expect the same with TF....If U cant even name the hospital which ban vincristine
Cheers.....
P/s....Kindly answer my Q (post #92)
[ Last edited byCakkkk....aaaa at 22-6-2006 04:29 PM ] Originally posted by Chippo at 22-6-2006 10:29 AM
What I meant is Psoriasis, and definitely Psoriasis. If the Malays call it Kayap, then perhaps it is kayap cos I have seen Psoriasis patients and their doctors told them it is called Kayap in Malay ...
Psoriasis .. is a chronic skin disorder characterizd by scaly plaques.. its a type of atopic disease.. yes to do with hypersensitive immune response..
Kayap.. is perkataan melayu yg menggambarkan any skin problem yg scaly.. shingles (varicella zoster) pun kekadang disebut kayap juga.. so that's why any scaly lesion org ,elayu panggil macam kayap..
kalau kayap yg shingles ni.. tak payah transfer factor pun boleh baik jugaks..:nerd: you dont have to worry about whether it will take another 30 years for TF to penetrate Malaysian Market. If its gonna take that long, guess the losers will only be the unfortunate who never had the chance to be exposed to the greatest discovery in history of medical Science.
Like I said I reserve my right to answer any questions or otherwise.
Perhaps you should look at the Pilot Study conducted by University of Malaya on TF in 1995 to get a better understanding. However TF was only made commerically available in 98. aku pun pelik jugak if transfer factor to so good... patients yg ramai kat ICU tu tak ada pun diberi satu habuk pun benda ni?? bukan jeICU in Malaysia, kat Singaporenon Bolehland pun tak penah aku dengar diberi makan patients 2nya yg tenat kat ICU..
Why?? if it is so good , can solve almost all the problems from infection down to cancer... why tak de pakar yg highlyrecommend? In fact allahyarhamah Datin Endon pun buat chemotreraphy kat US..
Nowadays in modern medicine, treatment must be evidence based... not enough evidence in studies.. tak de siapa akan pakai.. tak de siapa pun akan buat protokol.. Welcome Rebas, this makes it even more interesting, a fellow friend in the medical fratenity to the rescue.
Anyway guys, I dont wanna prolong this, like I said, you guys have the right to your own opinion.
TF is not a product of any pharmaceutical company and it is a patent product and such no pharmaceutical company can promote TF as the company responsible for the research and development decided to market it thru MLM. Any product that is marketed thru MLM cannot be advertised and promoted by pharmaceutical companies because they have literally lost the war. So if you think doctors are not recommending TF, think again, we have some pengarah of hospitals in Malaysia who swear upon TF, live by TF and Die by TF. There are specialists in Kempas hospital who are now prescribing TF to their patients.
Its only a matter of time that the whole of Malaysia will succumb to this new wave and paradigm of Good Health. Our mission is good health for everyone, although unfortunately that will mean less patients for you doctors who derive good fortune on ill health.
You know what is the greatest catastrophy for medical companies and doctors??? Good Health, cos you guys will be out of business. So Doctors always try their best to prolong the sickness and try not to find a cure at any expense.
Saying that, still thats my personal opinion and I have the right to voice my personal opinion, we are in a "Democratic Malaysia" aren't we??? Originally posted by Chippo at 22-6-2006 05:46 PM
Welcome Rebas, this makes it even more interesting, a fellow friend in the medical fratenity to the rescue.
Thank you.. i enjoy healthy discussion
TF is not a product of any pharmaceutical company
i wonder why.. non of the pharmaceutical companies tak nak transfer factor...?
kalau betul2 mujarab.. wont they be so stupid not to make more money???
:hmm::hmm::hmm: suspicious pulak aku.. Why cant u understand simple english Rebas? They cant even if they want to. Forlife Research has bought the patent for 180 Million US Dollars. Thats what pissing them off, cos doctorslike u will out of business soon, at least thats what they are worried about. Well as for me, a few unimportant people'scomments wont make a difference, We have used more than 600 million bottles and we will keep using more.
Reply #101 Chippo's post
me no english......Ich habe kine ide??Dear chippo...
Dah jumpa senarai hoepital yg ban vinctistine???Kalau belum ..... please retract ur statement yg mengatakan ada hospital yg ban vincristine. !!!
Otherwise I need to take action because u're misleading forummers here.
We don't mind the healthy discussion and along with the facts.....
But all talk without the facts is misleading.
Please responds.
Thanks. This is an independant forum, and I have the freedom of speech. Please do not preach dictatorship and issue threats against me. You are being very unprofessional here. Lets see what kinda action you are gonna take against me. I have my rights and my own opinion. I see no reason in retracting my statement. Go ahead and Ban me.
Reply #104 Chippo's post
We're here to discuss...And when u give a statements....we need to know whether u're giving the true or false statement....
Why is it so diffucult to give a simple facts (when requested) to support ur statement.....??? Rather than beating around the bush and try to avoid answering my doubt???
If u're right, and u're giving us the true statement for all this while....why are U reluctant to answer our question...??
U're here to promote TF....I have no problem with that.....but don't simply make false accusations and statements like we're a bunch retarded people...
U make accusations and statements.....U give evidents and facts......Susah sangat ke??? These are ur statement.
Vincristine - A drug that was used with disastrous results in 1976 and is banned in so many hospitals.
Please list the hospitals !
And what do u mean by "disastrous results"??....Care to share any valid info that U have... disastrous results can mean many things u know, for example the wrong way it was administered, and it was administered by doctors too, doctors who we trust our lives with. The article you quoted, 6 in 30 years from US, that was only voluntary info my dear, how about those cases that were never highlighted.
So never assume, when it is mentioned disastrous. Well at least not all doctors are jerks.
Anyway, since you are an academician and very profoundly versed in your area of profession, maybe you can start an investigation on who are the doctors in KL especially that are using this alternative treatment. I am not a doctor, the question you posed, I will definitely ask that doctor too, because it was a doctor like you, but he is an Oncologist in Malaysia that did a seminar and told everyone about Vincristine.
Now, tell me if doctors, people who we look up to start spreading lies like this, how can we laymen entrust our lives in your hands. I would not want to mention names, but that info came from a doctor as well. And look what happened to me, when I trusted a doctor, now I have another doctor after my back, like monkey chasing after peanuts. Hmmmm getting more interesting, gosh I need some sleep, I will be back in Malaysia on 30th June, perhaps we can discuss over a cuppa coffee, if you're not planning my murder by then at least. Lolz