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mencuri harta kafir harbi tidak haram??? betul ke???

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Post time 21-9-2016 11:16 AM | Show all posts |Read mode
Edited by Truth.8 at 21-9-2016 05:27 PM

Nah apakah mencurinya berdosa? Dalam kitab Qurrah al-'Ain kami tidak menemukan keterangan mengenai masalah ini. Tetapi, dalam kitab Bughyah al-Mustarsyidin (156), ada teks, "hukum harta orang muslim, dzimmi dan musta'man sama keharamannya dalam mengambilnya dengan cara yang tidak benar. Berbeda dengan harbi". Dari sini jelas sekali, bahwa mencuri harta kafir harbi tidak haram. Wallahu a'lam bishshawab.
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adkah ia salah tulis ???


Truth.8
Nasib baik lah saya bukan islam......bersyukur pada pencipta saya pengikut  Yesus dan Bible kerana curi /atau mengambil harta bukan milik tetap salah...itu ajaran kami....

hmmmm islam ? curi harta  kabir harbi ok jer ???                     
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Post time 21-9-2016 04:37 PM | Show all posts
ajaran agama sesat utk org2 sesat  
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 Author| Post time 21-9-2016 05:21 PM | Show all posts
Reborn_Atheist replied at 21-9-2016 04:37 PM
ajaran agama sesat utk org2 sesat

itu lah saya was2  tentang ajaran Islam. Kalau islam ini betul ajaran dari Pencipta, kenapa curi harta kafir harbi di bolehkan atau halalkan???  ini kah ajaran dari allah???

dlm Bible , tetap salah.....x kira non believers or believers;

Bible Verses About StealingBible verses related to Stealing from the King James Version (KJV)  by Relevance

Ephesians 4:28 - Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Exodus 20:15 - Thou shalt not steal.

Leviticus 19:11 - Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.

Proverbs 10:2 - Treasures of wickedness profit nothing: but righteousness delivereth from death.

Exodus 22:7 - If a man shall deliver unto his neighbour money or stuff to keep, and it be stolen out of the man's house; if the thief be found, let him pay double.

Romans 13:9 - For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Proverbs 12:22 - Lying lips [are] abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly [are] his delight.

Jeremiah 7:9-11 - Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;     (Read More...)

1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Leviticus 6:1-7 - And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,     (Read More...)

Mark 10:19 - Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Psalms 62:10 - Trust not in oppression, and become not vain in robbery: if riches increase, set not your heart [upon them].

Leviticus 6:2 - If a soul sin, and commit a trespass against the LORD, and lie unto his neighbour in that which was delivered him to keep, or in fellowship, or in a thing taken away by violence, or hath deceived his neighbour;

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,     (Read More...)

Matthew 19:18 - He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Luke 19:8 - And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore [him] fourfold.

John 10:10 - The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.

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Post time 21-9-2016 08:50 PM | Show all posts
Truth.8 replied at 21-9-2016 09:21 AM
itu lah saya was2  tentang ajaran Islam. Kalau islam ini betul ajaran dari Pencipta, kenapa curi h ...

apa yg kamu harapkan sedangkan agama ini juga berasal daripada agama org2 yahudi?  
http://www.thegoldencalfspeaks.c ... entiles-in-judaism/
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Post time 21-9-2016 08:52 PM | Show all posts


@sabbath_shalom   



Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.


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 Author| Post time 22-9-2016 11:54 AM | Show all posts

that you need to ask the Jews not me....The Bible very clear about stealing....no double standard...



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Post time 22-9-2016 11:56 AM | Show all posts
Truth.8 replied at 22-9-2016 03:54 AM
that you need to ask the Jews not me....The Bible very clear about stealing....no double standard. ...

religions for nuts only   
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 Author| Post time 22-9-2016 12:06 PM | Show all posts
Edited by Truth.8 at 22-9-2016 12:07 PM

religious is man made...hence it will destroyed them...but  Jesus did not bring religious
Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.


meaning, one need to follow God simple rules to live in this earth....

just like if you working, school or even in your parent house there is Rules to followed..
this earth belonged to Creator hence Creator need his creations to behave and followed HIS rules

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Post time 22-9-2016 12:08 PM | Show all posts
Truth.8 replied at 22-9-2016 04:06 AM
religious is man made...hence it will destroyed them...but  Jesus did not bring religious
Jesus  ...

u seriously believe jesus flew to heaven?  
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Reborn_Atheist replied at 22-9-2016 12:08 PM
u seriously believe jesus flew to heaven?

..and you seriously believe earth created byself???

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Post time 22-9-2016 12:11 PM | Show all posts
Truth.8 replied at 22-9-2016 04:09 AM
..and you seriously believe earth created byself???

u seriously believe jesus was born without a sperm donor?  
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Post time 22-9-2016 12:12 PM | Show all posts
u seriously believe adam was tempted by a talking snake to eat the so called forbidden fruit?  
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Post time 22-9-2016 12:13 PM | Show all posts
let me tell u a secret...... i had a unicorn before   


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Post time 22-9-2016 12:18 PM | Show all posts
it's a pink unicorn  
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Post time 23-9-2016 02:30 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Curi barang org dah tentu salah. Curi tuhan org pun salah. Yg purcaya kepada tuhan yg dicuri pun salah.

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Post time 24-9-2016 05:14 AM | Show all posts
letter2 replied at 23-9-2016 06:30 AM
Curi barang org dah tentu salah. Curi tuhan org pun salah. Yg purcaya kepada tuhan yg dicuri pun sal ...

camne curi tuhan sedangkan tuhan tu tak wujud?  
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Post time 24-9-2016 05:27 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Reborn_Atheist replied at 24-9-2016 05:14 AM
camne curi tuhan sedangkan tuhan tu tak wujud?

Ada sejenis tohan yg dulu bernama ilah ke apa. Dicuri dijadikan hak mutlak kaum sorga.

Kalau tohan pun boleh dicuri...

Emmm
Errrr
Mmmmmmmmm
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Post time 24-9-2016 05:30 AM | Show all posts
letter2 replied at 23-9-2016 09:27 PM
Ada sejenis tohan yg dulu bernama ilah ke apa. Dicuri dijadikan hak mutlak kaum sorga.

Kalau to ...

rugi ke tuhan dicuri? takde pun org marah dicurinya santa claus   
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Post time 12-10-2016 03:17 PM | Show all posts
Truth.8
Nasib baik lah saya bukan islam......bersyukur pada pencipta saya pengikut  Yesus dan Bible kerana curi /atau mengambil harta bukan milik tetap salah...itu ajaran kami....

hmmmm islam ? curi harta  kabir harbi ok jer ???

Kau salah faham tu.. maksud
KAFIR HARBI.
Orang kafir harbi adalah seluruh orang musyrik dan Ahli kitab yang boleh diperangi atau semua orang kafir yang menampakkan permusuhan dan menyerang kaum Muslimin.
Syaikh Muhammad bin Shalih al-‘Utsaimîn rahimahullah menyatakan : “Kafir harbi tidak memiliki hak untuk mendapatkan perlindungan dan pemeliharaan dari kaum Muslimin.” [2]

Mereka adalah orang kafir asli yang diperangi Rasulullah Shallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam. Beliau Shallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam bersabda:
أُمِرْتُ أَنْ أُقَاتِلَ النَّاسَ حَتَّى يَشْهَدُوا أَنْ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا اللَّهُ وَأَنَّ مُحَمَّدًا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَيُقِيمُوا الصَّلَاةَ وَيُؤْتُوا الزَّكَاةَ فَإِذَا فَعَلُوا ذَلِكَ عَصَمُوا مِنِّي دِمَاءَهُمْ وَأَمْوَالَهُمْ إِلَّا بِحَقِّ الْإِسْلَامِ وَحِسَابُهُمْ عَلَى اللَّهِ
“Aku diperintahkan untuk memerangi manusia hingga bersaksi bahwa tidak ada yang berhak diibadahi dengan benar kecuali Allah dan Muhammad adalah Rasulullah, menegakkan shalat dan menunaikan zakat. Apabila mereka telah melakukannya, berarti mereka telah menjaga jiwa dan harta mereka dariku (Muhammad Shallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) kecuali dengan (alasan-red) hak Islam serta hisab mereka diserahkan kepada Allah” [HR al-Bukhâri]

Golongan ini diperangi, apabila ia atau negaranya telah menampakkan atau menyatakan perang terhadap kaum Muslimin atau kaum Muslimin terlebih dahulu mengumumkan perang terhadap mereka setelah orang-orang kafir ini menolak ajakan kepada Islam.

Perlu diketahui, tidak semua kafir harbi diperangi. Dalam banyak hadits, Rasulullah Shallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam melarang membunuh orang yang tidak ikut perang seperti anak-anak, wanita, orang-orang jompo, lumpuh, banci, pendeta dan orang buta. Kemudian Syaikh Muhammad bin Shâlih al-‘Utsaimîn rahimahullah menjelaskan bahwa tujuh golongan ini tidak boleh dibunuh kecuali dengan salah satu dari tiga sebab berikut :

a. Mereka memiliki peran pemikiran dan pengaturan strategi
b. Apabila mereka ikut berperang
c. Memberikan dorongan semangat kepada para tentara musuh untuk berperang.[4]

Syaikhul Islam Ibnu Taimiyah rahimahullah menyatakan: “Apabila hukum asal dari peperangan yang disyariatkan itu adalah jihad dan tujuannya adalah menjadikan agama ini seluruhnya untuk Allah Azza wa Jalla dan meninggikan kalimat Allah Azza wa Jalla sehingga menjadi yang tertinggi, maka orang yang menghalang-halangi harus diperangi. Sementara orang yang tidak memiliki kekuatan untuk menghalangi atau berperang, seperti wanita, anak-anak, pendeta (rahib), orang jompo, buta dan lumpuh serta sejenisnya, mereka ini tidak boleh dibunuh menurut jumhur Ulama, kecuali jika mereka ikut andil dalam peperangan, baik dengan perkataan atau perbuatannya. Walaupun sebagian Ulama ada yang memandang boleh membunuh secara keseluruhan disebabkan kekufuran mereka semata kecuali wanita dan anak-anak karena mereka adalah harta (ghanimah) bagi kaum Muslimin. (Tapi) pendapat yang benar adalah pendapat pertama.[5]
Sumber: https://almanhaj.or.id/2569-apakah-semua-orang-kafir-sama.html
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Apa yang saya tahu sikit-sikit je:
Apabila musuh islam menyatakan permusuhan atau memusihi dan boleh mememudaratkan atau maksud mahu menghapuskan islam. Boleh dibunuh dan hartanya dirampas, jika di melarikan diri rampas hartanya. Perempuan dan anak-anak tidak boleh dibunuh tetapi ditawan dan dijadikan hamba, dilayan dengan baik dan diusahakan supaya dia masuk islam, namun tidak ada paksaan untuk dia masuk islam. Kaedah ini tidak dapat dilaksanakan sekarang sebab orang Islam dah tidak ada khalifah(pemerintahan islam). Sistem khalifah Islam terakhir Empayar Othmaniah.



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Post time 12-10-2016 03:45 PM | Show all posts
Edited by zamkumis at 12-10-2016 03:48 PM
zamkumis replied at 12-10-2016 03:17 PM
Kau salah faham tu.. maksud
KAFIR HARBI.
Orang kafir harbi adalah seluruh orang musyrik dan Ahl ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDxehMLZolA

Sila dengar di 17.14
Persoalan tentang jihad

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