Can Asia unite?

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by WinterNights at 18-5-2004 22:30:


Kennkid,

True, while we cannot compare square for square the similiarities between S'pore and Japan, nevertheless such a comparison is still possible due to the medium by which the in ...

You can see lots of culture, especially chinese culture once in Singapore. However, as time goes by, as Singapore modernise, it is moving AWAY further, and further from its own culture especially the chinese culture. Look at Singapore now. Many young generations these days not even do not know how to right in Mandarin, but also DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SPEAK! Some rich one would go and learn French, German, but not their own. The reason, is want to win and compete in their daily lives and in jobs which is due to their KIASU (scared to lose) attitude and also, their thought that the Westerners such as the British, French, and US are the upper class, or higher class people whereas Chinese, Malay are the lower class people. Such is their perception generally. However, this doesn't apply to all Singaporeans as there are still many Singaporeans which have their good culture still in practise.

The movie "I not stupid", is a good view about Singapore. Though it is just a story, it reflects well on the Singapore society these days.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 19-5-2004 08:41:
by ariyamusafir

Culture, is a way of doing things. Like, when you get married, the culture you would be for you to get married inyour own fashion, be it by race or religion. Fasting too can  ...

If for example, if one is a muslim, he has the fasting month and they fast, that can be considered a culture. If for example, in Buddhist temples where there is monks, the offering of Kathina robes to certain monks every year, the process or the ceremony, the way they do it too can be considered a culture.

i am looking at a petri dish at the moment... i think we can call what 's in it 'culture'.

Sephiroth

Correction for my own post earlier where I said Yes. Now, due to some research, I say "No" ... Culture is nothing to do with the way you do something.

http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/ ... =1&word=culture

1. culture, civilization, civilisation -- (a particular society at a particular time and place; "early Mayan civilization")

Is Islam part of original Funan people? No.
Is Islam part of ASIAN culture or its people's way of doing things? No.

2. culture -- (the tastes in art and manners that are favored by a social group)

This maybe in favor of Islam since it does promote you to become an Arab wannabe.

In terms of clothing, manner of speaking, religious practise etc, does Muslims's culture follow that of an Asian people? No ... they do not, thus it is logical to say that Muslims are not part of Asia or its rich heritage.

3. acculturation, culture -- (all the knowledge and values shared by a society)

Knowledge and values? Overall, the knowledge and values which a Muslim follows is that of Middle-East values, NOT Asia's, thus they are not Asians.

4, 5 and 6 is not related to Religion, culture or heritage but you can read them in the link above.

7. culture -- (the attitudes and behavior that are characteristic of a particular social group or organization; "the developing drug culture"; "the reason that the agency is doomed to inaction has something to do with the FBI culture")

Attitide of Muslim individually is more toward the suffering of their fellow species rather than that of the Asian society in general. Muslim government were promoted to help Muslims first and in many cases, ignore totally those who are not in same understanding as they are. So, Muslims are not Asians.

No. 8 is not about culture, heritage or religion but you can read from the link above.

Seraphim

Well Seph,in case you dont know...Most Muslim people usually helps people from their own religion eventhough they are located somewhere further away in the geographical position such as in the Middle East and Africa but they totally ignored their own Asian brother and sisters who are in trouble...

For most Muslims....Religion comes first, then  their own race, and then only people from the same region...It's obvious..

ariyamusafir

Thus, Asians must help each other and go to their felow Asians aid when there is need. Of course not helping them do crimes if it is so, but if Asians are united, you would not see the occupation of Iraq by these Bad invaders.

Asia must unite. It doesn't matter if Muslim go to the aid of their fellow brothers first or Christians the same or other religion the same, but so long as fellow Asians are in trouble be it economically or in times of war, Asians must help Asian, but not commit crimes, and NOT go invading others as a block but defend the soverign of one as a block.

Sephiroth

by Seraphim

Well Seph,in case you dont know...Most Muslim people usually helps people from their own religion eventhough they are located somewhere further away in the geographical position such as in the Middle East and Africa but they totally ignored their own Asian brother and sisters who are in trouble...

Which is WHY they are not my brothers or sisters. I'm an Asian (whether I'm a Hindu/India or Buddhism/Chinese fellow), as long as a person follows the Asian culture and heritage (even so it not all but a bit), then he or she is my brother and sister.

For most Muslims....Religion comes first, then  their own race, and then only people from the same region...It's obvious..  

Which is why we should return the favour. Don't buy anything from Muslim shops, don't friends with them, don't help them (unless you are a police. firemen or a doctor), and ignore their pleads.

They are busy helping their middle-east friends, let those people come and help them when they are in trouble ... assuming that the Arabs give a damn about this people in the first place. ;)

Sephiroth

by ariyamusafir

Thus, Asians must help each other and go to their felow Asians aid when there is need. Of course not helping them do crimes if it is so, but if Asians are united, you would not see the occupation of Iraq by these Bad invaders.

ASIAN must help each others ... Muslims are NOT Asian because they have NO (Culture, Heritage or Religious) VALUES which equalize them to Asians.

IF my Chinese Brother and Sister need my help, I will help whether he/she from China, Taiwan or Hong Kong.

IF my Indian Brother and Sister needs my help, I will help whether he/she is from India, Andaman or Sri Lanka.

If my Japanese brothers and Sisters need help, I will help whether he/she is from Japan or other parts of the world.

As long as they hold their culture and heritage values which marks them for Asian.

I WILL NOT HELP Muslims who are NOT ASIAN or hold any values which marks them to be Asian.

Asia must unite. It doesn't matter if Muslim go to the aid of their fellow brothers first or Christians the same or other religion the same, but so long as fellow Asians are in trouble be it economically or in times of war, Asians must help Asian, but not commit crimes, and NOT go invading others as a block but defend the soverign of one as a block.

That is just your stupid excuse in trying to get us involve in your wars. Cunningness is something you inherited from Muhammad. Because you know you will not get anywhere if you rely solely on your useless Muslims brothers and Sisters.

Why? Because your race stood and watch as the rest of the world went for aid for the starving people of Africa (mostly Muslims) in 1980s.

Because it is non-Muslims who aided Afghan during the US attacks.

Because it is non-Muslims who aided Kuwait during Saddam's war.

And it is non-Muslim who aiding Iraq now that Bush is attacking Iraq.

Muslims and their society proven, time after time to be useless. We, non-Muslims DO NOT NEED your help, it is YOU who need our help. For God is with Us, not You.

RedChaSiew

>>For God is with Us, not You.<<<

god is not we us or anyone lah... stop dreaming.

god is waiting to smash humanity.

Sephiroth

by RedChaSiew

god is not we us or anyone lah... stop dreaming.

god is waiting to smash humanity.  

Wrong ... He will smash Animals who behave like Humans.

Doomsdays and Armageddon is accepted in ALL religions, only thing different between your religion and mine is, in Mine, God doesn't blow up the Earth but wipe all species which corrupt the world and leave the pure and unspoilt ones behind so they could continue to worship Him and live a better Life.

Seraphim

Originally posted by ariyamusafir at 19-5-2004 09:07 AM:
Thus, Asians must help each other and go to their felow Asians aid when there is need. Of course not helping them do crimes if it is so, but if Asians are united, you would not see the occupation o ...

Let me give you an example...

"You helped someone you barely knew who shared the same hobby in distress but you dont help you neigbours"

Sounded kinda wrong rite??

>>Doomsdays and Armageddon is accepted in ALL religion<<<

doomsday and armageddon will claim plenty of innocent lifes also...

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 19-505-2004 10:41:
by ariyamusafir

Culture, is a way of doing things. Like, when you get married, the culture you would be for you to get married inyour own fashion, be it by race or religion. Fasting too can  ...

Wat about the culture of cow and tahi lembu? :dia: Sephiroth

Can Asia Unite? This is a very interesting question and topic to be discussed. In order to form a strong United Asia first of all we have to have a strong support from every  individual who think that he has a strong asian blood in his body. We can achieve it if only someone like ME :ah: and :dia: YOU  unite together either WE are Malay, Chinese, Indian or Japanese and either WE are muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu or Shintos, whatever races and religions WE have in ASIA! WE need to live in peace and harmony to achieve the target. How can WE achieve the target if each and one of US fight :gado:  or kill   one another???

Sephiroth

by whitepig

doomsday and armageddon will claim plenty of innocent lifes also...

http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/newmme/science/extinction.html

http://www.well.com/user/davidu/extinction.html

Human beings are currently causing the greatest mass extinction of species since the extinction of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. If present trends continue one half of all species of life on earth will be extinct in 100 years.


The millions of Lives which you spoke of is just of your species. But for me, armageddon will wipe all and a small number of species will live and they will populate the world, just like Mammals and other smaller animals did after the Dinosaurs died out 65 Millions years ago.

In your religion, it seems that you think that God is just in charge of Man ONLY ... WRONG, when you become a reason for other creatures' death or even to the point that the World is in danger, it is you who will be wiped out.

Well Seph,in case you dont know...Most Muslim people usually helps people from their own religion eventhough they are located somewhere further away in the geographical position such as in the Middle East and Africa but they totally ignored their own Asian brother and sisters who are in trouble...

For most Muslims....Religion comes first, then  their own race, and then only people from the same region...It's obvious..

Christian missionaries  helping other christians in foreign countries...same goes to our muslim missionaries in helping our muslim brothers and sisters in foreign countries! We do help our own people regardless what races they are!!!

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by WICKED at 19-5-2004 11:30:
Can Asia Unite? This is a very interesting question and topic to be discussed. In order to form a strong United Asia first of all we have to have a strong support from every  ind ...

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The thing is that it is high time we learn to unite, put our quarrels behind. India and pakistan should sit down and stop their quarrels. Same as for the Arab world to stop their quarrels. It is high time we learn how to respect others and be respected. We not only must have strong support from individuals, but our mentality must change. We must not hurt others so that we canget our personal gain. We should not have the chinese metality of teaching others not 100% in fear that they might overtake us. We must cooperate for existance. Stop your hate!!!!! Stop your disrespect for our neighbours. If everyone in Asia is like having respect for each others religion and race, that would be one great obstacle removed.

Sephiroth

WICKED

How can WE achieve the target if each and one of US fight   or kill   one another???

Wrong ... Hindus and Buddhist not fight each other, other than maybe by words.
Hindus and Silks don't fight each others, except maybe by words and maybe a few fist fights.
Buddhist and others don't fight each others.

Why should we listen to you? We are not fighting and while we ain't close, we ain't far from each other either.

Muslims only use Peace and crap like that if it means that we will support you in your war against others. Today it's Bush, tomorrow the Israel and day after that, it will be Christians. One day after another, you will showing us your enemy and make all kind of propaganda against them and expect us to fight with you for sake of peace.

Sorry ... we got better things to do. ;)

Sephiroth

by WICKED

Christian missionaries  helping other christians in foreign countries...same goes to our muslim missionaries in helping our muslim brothers and sisters in foreign countries! We do help our own people regardless what races they are!!!  

There is NO SUCH THING as OUR OWN PEOPLE.

You are not Asians as we already point out early. You do not share our culture and heritage. You have no relationship with us. You do not worship or even respect Asian religions and belief like that idiot Mat Kampung is pointing out.

Your people are the Arabs ... your place is the Middle East which is blood soaked. And We do not need your help.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 19-5-2004 09:17:
by ariyamusafir

Thus, Asians must help each other and go to their felow Asians aid when there is need. Of course not helping them do crimes if it is so, but if Asians are united, you would n ...

Who say muslims are not Asians based on your point. Asian consist of Hindus, Buddhist, Muslims, Christians etc. It deosn't make you a non-Asian because you are a muslim. It makes you an Asian so long as you are born, and living in Asia and Asia continent includeds the Arabs, China, Japan and Malaysia. Asia has no fix culture but there are similarities in the sense, respect for elderly etc. It is the many different culture of each and every race living in Asia which makes the Asian culture, and that wonderful unlike that of those EUs which are of one race. Even a muslim is also an Asian because of his Asian nationality. Egypt on the other hand is not Asia but African.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 19-5-2004 11:45:
by WICKED

Christian missionaries  helping other christians in foreign countries...same goes to our muslim missionaries in helping our muslim brothers and sisters in foreign countries! We do  ...

Who say there is no such thing. WICKED is the citizen of an Asian country and that makes him an Asian, don't care his skin is white, black, or yellow, don't care if his a muslim, hindu, christian etc.

Asia is not about relligion or race. It is a continent, a place and any of the natonals of the nations that is a part of Asia is considered Asians. So, there is the Our own people thing!!! You are one of our people, so as Acong and WICKED, for we are all Asians. The problem is that in Asia, there is too much quarrels and squabbles among its people.

[ Last edited by ariyamusafir on 19-5-2004 at 11:56 AM ]

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 19-5-2004 11:45 AM:
You are not Asians as we already point out early. You do not share our culture and heritage. You have no relationship with us. You do not worship or even respect Asian religions and belief like that idiot Mat Kampung is pointing out.

Do you think that we are arabs just because most arabs MUSLIMS and it happenned that we are MUSLIMS? What about a non-muslim arabs? What do you think they are? Arent Arab countries part of ASIA? unless if you mention ASEAN, Arab will be out of question!  In order to categorize which  country is partly ASIA do you consider Australia as part of Asia  since the country is so close to ASIA?

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by WICKED at 19-5-2004 11:58:


Do you think that we are arabs just because most arabs MUSLIMS and it happenned that we are MUSLIMS? What about a non-muslim arabs? What do you think they are? Arent Arab countries part of ASIA ...

There are two types of Arabs. One is that of Africa but the main Arab side is on the Asian side. Yes, most Arab nations are Asian nations.

Seph...must look up at the world map to understand which country is under  ASIA CONTINENTAL!

"Asia is traditionally divided into five major realms: East Asia, which includes China, Mongolia, Korea, and Japan; Southeast Asia, which includes Myanmar (formerly known as Burma), Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Brunei, and the Philippines; South Asia, which includes India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Nepal, and Bhutan; Southwest Asia, which includes Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the other states of the Arabian Peninsula, and Russian Asia, which includes the states of Central Asia that were formerly part of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). These states are Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan"

*Noticed Turkey is named as part of Southwest Asia but Turkey seems to be interested to join EU!

http://www.mbendi.co.za/land/as/p0005.htm

[ Last edited by WICKED on 19-5-2004 at 12:18 PM ]

Seraphim

Originally posted by WICKED at 19-5-2004 12:04 PM:
Noticed Turkey is named as part of Southwest Asia but Turkey seems to be interested to join EU!

Most probably Turkey dont want any part in that screwed up region of the Asia continent..Anyway being in EU is more profitable and beneficial