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Women in Civil Service Get 5 yrs Off to Raise Kids - Najib

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Post time 3-9-2007 03:34 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by elnor_81 at 3-9-2007 03:21 PM
rasernye better gomen wat wajib ader nursery kat setiap ofis gomen.bukan ape,dari cuti lamer2,baiklah letak nursery dah tentu tetiap ari boleh tgk anak.ni sampai 5 tahun cuti,mcm melampaula.skang ...


Dah ada pun nurseri kat tiap opis gomen...tapi still masih tak dpt nak tampung demand..

Tak dpt dinapikan byk kemudahan dlm gomen now ni lebih berpihak pada pekerja baru..
Compared to pekerja lama(yg majoriti anak dah besar2..)

Tapi..tu lakan...apa nak dikata..?
Prinsip Gomen itu sendiri amat berbeza dgn prinsip swasta..

Prinsip Gomen lebih kepada Protection berbanding Dollar & cents to their workers...

Yg mana dlm gomen...bersyukur la...

[ Last edited by  koko2 at 3-9-2007 03:38 PM ]

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Post time 3-9-2007 03:42 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by koko2 at 9/2/07 11:34 PM
Prinsip Gomen lebih kepada Protection berbanding Dollar & cents to their works...


it's not just about principles, it's also about how different organizations get their money to survive. Private sectors rely on the quality of their business to get the money. If a government body provides poor service (which they're well known for), and not very efficient, they'll still get government funding, because people have to pay tax. It ain't the same for the private sector. because their clients don't have to do business with them if they don't like them.
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Post time 3-9-2007 03:44 PM | Show all posts

Reply #20 koko2's post

kalau ramai boleh berpk mcm lu then ok la...
tapi rasenye tak ramai boleh buat mcm tu
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Post time 3-9-2007 03:52 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Muntz at 9/2/07 09:59 PM
Kenapa perempuan, terutama mereka yg memperjuangkan hak mereka seperti Kementerian Pembangunan Wanita dan geng SIS, bila menuntut kesamaan gender, mereka tidak membantah tentang usul ini? Sepatutnya sebagai wanita, mereka juga manusia macam lelaki. Takder istilah wanita nie lemah otak, lemah segala2nya. Kalau nak kerja, kerja lar... Hidup kalau takder cabaran, bukan hidup lah namanya. Takkan nak segala2nya senang. Habis tu macam mana dgn pekerja lelaki kalau diorang kena jaga anak diorang bila mak diorang jauh? Contohnya ada kawan aku sorang nie.. dia kena jaga anak dia kat sini, dan bini dia jaga anak diorang yg lain kat tempat lain (sbb tempat kerja jauh antara satu sama lain). Camner tu?


i have to agree with you on that. I guess to them it's only unequal if they get less.

this is unbelievable. 5 years away from work and you are guaranteed to be able to get the job back? 5 years? If the position is a janitor I guess it's realistic. If you hold a higher position than that chances are when you get back it could be no better than a newbie, if not worse.
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Post time 3-9-2007 04:03 PM | Show all posts
hoho... kalu tiap tahun beranak camne ni??

pada aku, kalo mampu...lepas dapat anak, pompuan takyah kerja... dok umah...asuh anak dan jaga keluarga. zaman skang org bleh buat duity secara online... jual la apa2 pun bleh laku punya. ebay ada, lelong ada, wmdc pun ada..mcm2 ada...

tgk pada anak2 remaja yg makin x semenggah ni, bila kita cari puncanya... mak bapak sibuk cr duit. yahh...duit tu penting dlm kehidupan... tp nilai2 kemanusiaan dan kasih sayang pun penting juga. kalau parents sibuk,... nk harap siapa beri perhatian pd anak2??

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Post time 3-9-2007 04:15 PM | Show all posts
ampeh tol la! klu cenggini la keadaannya msia nie makin mundur ader la, sebok nak attend to the need mak2 nie, sebok nak memanjekan pompuan tak pepasal, productivity negara jd mangsa, kita negara membangun, sharizat nie semua nak mempertahankan hak wanita yg tah aper2! mcm nak complicatedkan keadaan ader! its like labour woman is too expensive lah plak, kata nak kesamaan gender! cenggini bukan menunjukkan wanita boleh buat kerja laki(unless certain2 work), nie menunjukkan wanita lemah n leceh pada laki ader!

p/s: im a woman

[ Last edited by  Na_Ni at 3-9-2007 04:31 PM ]

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Post time 3-9-2007 04:23 PM | Show all posts

Reply #26 Na_Ni's post

ko dah kawin dan dah ada anak belum?
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Post time 3-9-2007 04:25 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 3-9-2007 03:52 PM


i have to agree with you on that. I guess to them it's only unequal if they get less.

this is unbelievable. 5 years away from work and you are guaranteed to be able to get the job back? 5 ...


Bean..., rasanya kat US, Canada dah praktis kan..cuti panjang utk mommies take care
their babies..cuti panjang dlm 2 ke 3 thn camtu...

Jadinya tak salahkan kalo gomen kite buat cam ni..?
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Post time 3-9-2007 04:26 PM | Show all posts

Reply #26 Na_Ni's post

Ker....tomboi ni..?
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Post time 3-9-2007 04:30 PM | Show all posts

Reply #27 esofagus's post

blom tp cara cenggini salah la, sbb setiap yg bekerja tuh ada tugas memasing! kene consider bukan saja family, negara n instutusi perkerjaan itu seniri. bukanlah mcm menidakkan naluri keibuan dgn anak, im a woman i still understand those thg sedikit sebanyak, klu rasa penting lagi anak, duduk umah lah biar org lain isi jawatan tuh, kurg2 org lain dpt byk manfaat lagi. klu nak keje bantu family, kerja, when times come n u have to decide which one is more important, then choose! sorry to me, the price is too high

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Post time 3-9-2007 04:32 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by koko2 at 3-9-2007 04:26 PM
Ker....tomboi ni..?


uiks, jgn  nak memandai speku
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Post time 3-9-2007 04:34 PM | Show all posts
agaknya staff-staff wanita yg berkeluarga perlu buat perancangan tahunan siapa yg boleh beranak dalam satu-satu tahun supaya tak overlap..
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Post time 3-9-2007 04:38 PM | Show all posts
aku rasa better bagi cuti tuh
daripada yg dok lari tgh2 hari sebab nak balik hantar susu anak
yg sikit2 amik EL sebab nak antar anak gi klinik
yg tgh2 orang dok busy, dia gi cuti sbb harituh anak dia kena cucuk
terganggu tau kerja orang lain just sebab anak dia

at least kalau dia cuti panjang and tak bergaji dia tak kacau workflow kerja orang lain

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Post time 3-9-2007 05:05 PM | Show all posts
apa cuti2?
berenti la.
kalau berminat nak sambung, apply balik kerja.
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Post time 3-9-2007 05:08 PM | Show all posts

Reply #21 koko2's post

nursery dah ada... apa kata next time kalo bina kompleks pentadbiran, bina sekali tadika, sekolah rendah segala bagai...senang, sumer satu tempat...
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Post time 3-9-2007 05:09 PM | Show all posts

Reply #34 jfq's post

betul tue... bagi org lain peluang.....
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Post time 3-9-2007 05:10 PM | Show all posts
aku bangkang!!!!!!!!!
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Post time 3-9-2007 05:12 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Na_Ni at 3-9-2007 04:30 PM
blom tp cara cenggini salah la, sbb setiap yg bekerja tuh ada tugas memasing! kene consider bukan saja family, negara n instutusi perkerjaan itu seniri. bukanlah mcm menidakkan naluri keibuan dgn ...

bukan masalah naluri keibuan
kalau ko ada anak kecik ko akan tau betapa renyahnya nak jaga baby..yg sakit..nak menyusukan lagi. Balik rumah nak masak utk keluarga dan macam2 kerja rumah lagi..anak2 kecil ni pulak tak boleh nak lepas pandang
nak harapkan gaji suami gaji pun tak cukup.. macam mana kami ibu2 nak jadik surirumah?
kalau suami kaya memang takde masalah..
kalau kerajaan tak bagi cuti pun ibu2 tetap akan memberikan yg terbaik kpd anak2nya..tp sekiranya kerajaan beri cuti itu akan memberi kehidupan yg lebih teratur utk ibu2
jadi kalau kerajaan bagi cuti utk besarkan anak2 kecil ni aku setuju..

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Post time 3-9-2007 05:15 PM | Show all posts
garlic rasa :
1. lebih ramai akan berpeluang join sektor awam, yela nak memenuhi tpt kosong sementara tggu mak2 masuk keje balik. byk peluang pekerjaan tu, esp. position cikgu2 nie...
2. belum tentu ramai yang nak. 5 tahun cuti tanpa gaji tau. org keje sbb nak duit, bukan nak cuti.
3. patutnya isu2 ni menyebabkan bapa2 lebih rasa tercabar. yela kalu depa mampu, sure ibu2 tak perlu melalui semua ni. bukan semua memahami peranan dan perasaan ibu2 bekerja ni.

just my 2 cent

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Post time 3-9-2007 05:27 PM | Show all posts
ini tak lebih kepada nak kurangkan pergantungan kepada maid indon le ni
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