Pendapat Marina Mahathir terhadap pengunaan nama Allah

abgboroi

aku nampak isu ni semakin mendalam dengan macam macam pandangan yang menerima,menkritik...kondem atau berdiam diri sahaja dan tidak jelas pendirian....

kalau kita lihat tak semua org setuju nak kondem hal ni dari pihak kerajaan mahu pun PR...so ianya jadi hal individu sahaja....

mungkin ramai nak tahu pendapat Marina Mahathir ttg hal ni...beliau memang terkenaln sebelum ni sebab isu multifaith...nampaknya beliau dan ayahnya (Tun Mahathir) pun x sama pendirian....

mod sila merge thread ni jika perlu....




Marina Mahathir: ‘Allah’ uproar just ‘knee-jerk reactions’

By Shazwan Mustafa Kamal

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 5 — In a response to the uproar over the “Allah” issue, Datuk Marina Mahathir said those protesting against the court ruling obviously did not know enough about Islam as a religion.

She felt that the recent outcry over matter was just “knee-jerk reactions,” and that these people had likely not taken the initiative to actually study the legal aspects of the case, as well as the court decision.

“Maybe it’s because they do not know enough. They say knowledge is power, and the lack of it is ignorance. Holding on to the word Allah is not going to ‘convert’ anybody from Islam into another faith,” said Marina.

Marina, who is the daughter of Malaysia’s longest-serving prime minister Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamed, posted an article “Confident people do not get confused” on her blog yesterday morning.

Among other things, she highlighted a historical treaty between Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and Christians from a delegation of St. Catherine’s Monastery. The treaty showed clear evidence that the Prophet himself declared “Christians as allies and any ill-treatment of them to be in violation of God’s covenant.”

She wrote that Muslims should be “confident” in their faith, and that they should be unfazed by the issue of “Allah”, as the basis of the Islamic faith lay in the fiver pillars of Islam alone.

The article received many comments, some favourable but many were against the points raised by Marina. Some readers said they were “concerned” that the Catholics’ insistence on using the word “Allah” raised questions about their true motives.

One reader even went so far as to suggest that while “confident Muslims” such as Marina may be knowledgeable with regards to Islam, the poorer, uneducated sections of the Muslim population in Malaysia would be easily confused over the usage of “Allah” by non-Muslims, insinuating that churches have used this as an excuse to convert Muslims out of their faith.

“I think it is really insulting and patronising as some of these comments mention how churches have converted Muslims for ‘free lunches.’ Well, if all it takes is a free lunch to convert someone, I say we should do the same then.

“I think it is a self-fulfilling prophecy... if you keep saying that Muslims will get confused, then they will eventually get confused. No one is interested in clarity, in understanding,” said Marina in a phone interview yesterday.

Marina, who is known for being outspoken on issues pertaining to human rights and freedom of speech, asserted that if Muslims in the country were to always portray themselves as easily manipulated and weak, they would be doing nothing but to serve the stereotypical misconceptions of Islam being a religion of little faith.

“Why don’t we believe in the strength of our own faith? What these people are doing is giving power to the other side. By reacting like this, you are basically saying that your faith is weak. Why are you portraying Islam as a weak religion, when it is clearly not? It is a beautiful, peaceful and understanding religion,” she added.

She said this constant battle for ownership of God was in essence wrong as it is people who should be submitting to God, not the other way round.

“It is not about God belonging to you, rather YOU belong to God,” Marina said.

The government has said it will appeal against Justice Datuk Lau Bee Lan’s judgment that Catholic weekly “The Herald” had a constitutional right to use “Allah” to describe the Christian God in the national language.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak and his deputy Tan Sri Muhyiddin Yassin have themselves come out and made reassurances to the public, telling people not to make any comments which may further fuel tension between the Muslims and the non-Muslims in the country.

Their statements came as more than 40,000 people signed up in a Facebook page to pressure the government to reverse the Dec 31 court ruling.

The Facebook page titled “Menentang penggunaan nama Allah oleh orang bukan Islam (Against the use of ‘Allah’ by non-Muslims)” plans to get a million Muslims to sign a petition against the court ruling and, judging by the comments left on the page, they seem to feel that Muslims are under siege by the Christians.

When asked on what she thought of the online battle over the issue, Marina said that it was very easy to misuse social networking services to aggravate the situation.

“Someone should complain to the Facebook administration and mark the page as offensive... the comments posted by people who wrote on my blog are that of urban people, most likely the same type of people who dragged the cow’s head in Shah Alam,” she said, in reference to the now-infamous incident in Shah Alam where 70-odd protestors dragged a severed cow’s head to the State Secretariat in retaliation towards the Selangor government’s relocation of a Hindu temple to a predominantly Muslim-majority area.

As an afterthought, Marina said that she was dismayed to see how the new year has turned out as she lamented how some Muslims were not progressing and that their mentality still remained the same.

“It is now the 21st century. What is the 21st century Muslim like? Different, or same as how we were in the past?

“Sadly, the way we are looking at things right now, I’d say we are the same.”

RedDevils

Sebab pandangan Marina dan Tun M berbeza, maka aku tak merge kan ke dlm thread pandangan Tun.

e-mag

"iman tak dapat diwarisi dari seorg ayah yg bertakwa"-Raihan

ColbyRaikkonen

Kukuh jugak hujah MArina nieee

melia_star

setelah membaca pelbagai review aku mengambil pendirian - tiada pendirian...at least for the time being....

alahai

awat ayah dia cakap cam lain dia cam lain...??

aku..hmm no komeng...

Maideen.

Sebab pandangan Marina dan Tun M berbeza, maka aku tak merge kan ke dlm thread pandangan Tun.
RedDevils Post at 5-1-2010 12:48

I beg to differ lah Red. Yang aku tahu Tun M punya pandangan hanya menyatakan fakta fakta berikut:

1. Membenarkan Roman Catholic Church KL menggunakan perkataan Allah didalam terbitannya akan membuat orang Islam marah.

2. Di Semenanjung orang Melayu menganggap Allah sebagai Tuhan orang Islam.

3. Si Sabah dan Sarawak dah lama dah terjemahan bible menggunakan perkataan Allah.

Itu yang aku tahu apa yang Tun M katakan. Semua yang dikatakannya betul. Maideen  nak komen satu persatu statement Tun M dengan cara mengatakan "the unspoken words" of Tun M seperti berikut:

1.Membenarkan Roman Catholic Church KL menggunakan perkataan Allah didalam terbitannya akan membuat orang Islam marah.

The unspoken words of Tun M: Ya lah depa ni dok ingat orang semua nak anaya depa. Depa dok ingat orang len jeles dengan kemajuan ummah. So depa marahlah sebab bodo.....Len kerja tak dak....asyik nak bakaq tong sampah, nak tendang trafik light depan Sogo aja. Patut lah askar jepun kata kat Lembu jangan jadi bodo macam Melayu!

2. Di Semenanjung orang Melayu menganggap Allah sebagai Tuhan orang Islam.

The unsopken words of Tun M: Ni lah akibatnya malas membaca. Macam ulat taik dalam kepumpung tak taw pa pa. Yang depa dok baca majallah mastika.....cerita awan berbentuk kalimah Allah depa seronok lah. Cerita Michael Jackson kununnya masuk Islam depa cukup seronok. Otak Belacan betoi. Lagi ada hati nak membimbing orang len jadi macam depa....prrrrrrrpfffftght

3. Si Sabah dan Sarawak dah lama dah terjemahan bible menggunakan perkataan Allah.

Elok ja orang Melayu kat sana tak konfius pon....mungkin depa kurang makan blacan kot...

Jadi bila kita lihat Tun M hanya menyatakan "statement of facts" sahaja dan bukan sebenarnya memberi pendapat, Maideen rasa adalah tidak betul jika Red mengatakan Tun M dan Marina berbeza pendapat.

Mungkin ada statement Mahathir lain yang Maideen tidak ketahui.

Wallahualam.

P/S God bless Marina Mahathir....

anya8797

anya suka tajuk"confident people do not get confused"...and i would add  "easily"......
a simple line which is the gist to the lengthy albeit good explanation of the view presented....

ifanonline

Pandangan Marina ni ka yg suruh anak muda pakai kondom kalau nak amal seks bebas?

juanco

aku nampak isu ni semakin mendalam dengan macam macam pandangan yang menerima,menkritik...kondem atau berdiam diri sahaja dan tidak jelas pendirian....

kalau kita lihat tak semua org setuju nak kon ...
abgboroi Post at 5-1-2010 12:46

diharap lobai2 malang akan baca statement ilmiah dari marina ini....

tekoyong

marina xtau ke bapak dia tengah pasang perangkap??

anya8797

Pandangan Marina ni ka yg suruh anak muda pakai kondom kalau nak amal seks bebas?
ifanonline Post at 5-1-2010 13:18

please stick to the topic at hand...which is penggunaan kalimah Allah...bukan penggunaan kondom amal...

hzln

an excerpt of marina's posting:

While some idiots are mourning over the “loss” of the word “Allah” and therefore basically telling the world that they are people easily confused by nomenclature, and others are predicting riots over what is basically a “copyright” issue, let me define what I think a confident Muslim should be:

1. A confident Muslim is unfazed by the issue of God's name. God speaks to all of humankind in the Quran and never said that only Muslims could call him by the name Allah.

2. A confident Muslim has 99 names to choose from to describe that One God. My favourites are Ar-Rahman (The All-Compassionate) and Ar-Rahim (The All-Merciful).

3. A confident Muslim never gets confused over which is his/her religion and which is other people's. For instance, a confident Muslim knows exactly what the first chapter of the Quran is. And it's not the Lord's Prayer.

4. A confident Muslim will not walk into a church, hear a liturgy in Malay or Arabic where they use the word “Allah” and then think that he or she is in a mosque. A confident Muslim knows the difference.

5. A confident Muslim is generous, inclusive and doesn't think that his or her brethren is made exclusive through the use of a single language. The confident Muslim is well aware that in the Middle East, all services of ANY religion are in Arabic because that's what they all speak.

6. A confident Muslim knows the basis of his/her faith are the five pillars of Islam and will not be shaken just because other people call God by the same name.

7. A Muslim believes in only One God. Therefore it makes sense that other people should call God by the same name because there is no other God.

ART THOU NOT aware that it is God whose limitless glory all [creatures] that are in the heavens and on earth extol, even the birds as they spread out their wings? Each [of them] knows indeed how to pray unto Him and to glorify Him; and God has full knowledge of all that they do: (Surah Nour, Verse 41) (Asad).

So I would ask those people demonstrating against the court decision, have you no pride? Are you saying you're easily confused?

ifanonline

12# anya8797

...coming from someone who is encouraging people to wear condom for casual sex, Marina is a joke!

dino

please stick to the topic at hand...which is penggunaan kalimah Allah...bukan penggunaan kondom amal...
anya8797 Post at 5-1-2010 13:28

sbb tu ade yg tak pandang pun pendpt marina dlm soal2 islam....  psl org dah hilang respect....
btw dlm soal penggunaan nama Allah pndpt die ade benarnya...

tebabo

aku tak nampak plak yg Tun M punya pendapat berbeza dengan Marina..  Tun M hanya kata orang islam akan marah sebab dia tau yg realitinya kat semenanjung ni masih ramai orang islam yg anggap ALLAH tu mereka yang punya.

Maideen.

aku tak nampak plak yg Tun M punya pendapat berbeza dengan Marina..  Tun M hanya kata orang islam akan marah sebab dia tau yg realitinya kat semenanjung ni masih ramai orang islam yg anggap ALLAH tu m ...
tebabo Post at 5-1-2010 13:31

Ya betul.....itu yang aku cuba bagitahu kat RedDevils diatas.....

ifanonline

sbb tu ade yg tak pandang pun pendpt marina dlm soal2 islam....  psl org dah hilang respect....
btw dlm soal penggunaan nama Allah pndpt die ade benarnya...
dino Post at 5-1-2010 13:31

Who is Marina to talk about Islam? Baik aku layan pendapat Ron Jeremy ngan Peter North...sekurang-kurangnya depa berdua expert dlm bidang depa...

Maideen.

anya suka tajuk"confident people do not get confused"...and i would add  "easily"......
a simple line which is the gist to the lengthy albeit good explanation of the view presented....
anya8797 Post at 5-1-2010 13:16

Memang the Muslim world needs more like her.....

And her dad too....

e-mag

I beg to differ lah Red. Yang aku tahu Tun M punya pandangan hanya menyatakan fakta fakta berikut:

1. Membenarkan Roman Catholic Church KL menggunakan perkataan Allah didalam terbitannya akan mem ...
Maideen. Post at 5-1-2010 13:15

baru aku faham..
Che Det salu hujah atas fakta,,,