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One simple way to explain it would be to see it as a self-contained universe created by Conan Doyle. |
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Originally posted by OGA at 2003-7-14 01:35 PM:
masa ucapan penutup PM di persidangan UMNO baru2 ni ade sebut..
org Arab dtg berniaga, org India datang berniaga, tak lah sampai nak takluk Melaka...tapi bila orang Eropah datang, mereka nak ...
tak silap makcik, masa wazir porto nama albuquerque menaiki kapal flor de la mar..sampai kat melaka, jerks..dia trus kasi syarahan..
-kita perlu menakluk melaka..sebab kita akan dpt halau org islam dr jerusalem.
-kita takluk melaka pastu kita leh halau "muhammadian"...dia bilang muhammadian, bukan muslim..
-kita takluk melaka, pastu lehla kita takluk india, pusat rempah..
-kita takluk melaka, pastu leh kita takluk mekah..
perlagi, ahh..ako tak igt...maklumla dlm klas tido, jer..
sekian timesih.. |
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huh?
Originally posted by marquez at 2003-7-14 22:49:
One simple way to explain it would be to see it as a self-contained universe created by Conan Doyle.
i don't understand it all i did not take art stream in SPM lerr..i have no idea about the the world of literature ..cuma sukerr SH/ Jane austen charlote Bronte / dickens/ .....tu jer... |
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Originally posted by Andrea_Pirlo at 2003-7-14 22:46:
cop..nak betulkan, abbasid jatuh tawon 1258AD..aaa..
bagi saya, ini bukan kesan kejatuhan abbasid, tue...sebab sebaik saja abbasid jatuh, allah telah menetapkan ada kerajaan baru kat SEA yg dpt me ...
saya ade mendengar jugak pernyataan sebegini lantas ade org merujuk la..kat hadith / hadith sahih tetapi...itu depa cakap hadith lemah la...wallahua'lam.. |
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Well this is not the correct place to discuss literature...maybe in books and readings... |
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What's the actual hadis? What's the origin? The context? |
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Originally posted by marquez at 2003-7-14 23:10:
What's the actual hadis? What's the origin? The context?
i have no recollection lah about this but a few religious people are saying that ..it a hadith yg they al tak tahu pun sumbernya ..yg sahih tu itupun sahih Bukhairi and which is later refined by Muslim.. i think i read s/where in the paper Mingguan Malaysia 3-2 weeks ago ..please refer tu Mingguan MAlaysia with Astora Jabat...
i think ..we should discuss this with every one in Muslimin and Muslimat board la..don't you think ?do you reckon? |
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ah'ah, tul tue..kalo korang, taktau,la..ako takpandai sgt pasal hadith2 nie...tapih, tue,la...sejarah nie mesti ada kaitan, dgn dalil2... |
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actualli malay empire is hardly and empire.come on it hardly streches beyond thailand and indonesia.if u look at history,empires are huge like the ones in India,China,Rome,Egypt and even europe.they must haf their own writing,system and oso magnificent architecture.
as such pls dun disgrace ur self by calling malacca an empire.
proud asian |
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tak delah sampai disgrace pulak, it's a matter of semantics je... |
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Originally posted by sekzchan at 15-7-2003 03:16 PM:
actualli malay empire is hardly and empire.come on it hardly streches beyond thailand and indonesia.if u look at history,empires are huge like the ones in India,China,Rome,Egypt and even europe.the ...
Well sekzchan depend how you want to define it. Empire can be anything event your business, work or as simple as your way of life. So the scope of Malay empire maybe not as big as others but when you own something beyond your own territory that what we call Empires.
The rule of malaca in 14-15 cantury is big in term of calture, religion and intellectual properties. Many outsider such Kuntara, van der Molen, Russell Jones serta Behrend agreed with this fact.
The book such as Hikayat Acheh, Hikayat Raja-Raja Pasai, Sejarah Melayu, Misa Melayu, Hikayat Merong Mahawangsa, Hikayat Pahang, Hikayat Johor, Tuhfat al-Nafis have inter-related to the each other with a huge information and interrelated to Malacca since this is the stating point of malay civilizations.
Sometime it easy to make a quick conclusion expecially when we know nothing? |
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Originally posted by Tengku Anis at 2003-7-2 11:30 PM:
Dulu orang melayu cukup terkenal dengan Empayernye macam Melaka, Johor riau dan terkenal dengan pahlawannya macam Tuah,Jebat,Tun Anis eh Tun Teja dan lain lain.
bila jatuh kerajaan Melayu melak ...
miinat sgt pasal Parameswara... dono why... |
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Originally posted by Tengku Anis at 15-7-2003 05:02 PM:
Well sekzchan depend how you want to define it. Empire can be anything event your business, work or as simple as your way of life. So the scope of Malay empire maybe not as big as others but when y ...
Agaknya sekzchan ni baru bangun tido kot Anis..ko jangan lah marah..
Empayer melayu tu luas apa majapahit pun empayer melayu gak..
Cuma satu je yang aku terkilan dalam-dalam hebatnya Melaka boleh akhirnya dia tak de Raja...kesian kat orang Melaka.. |
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kalo diperhati-perhati sejarah ni elok-elok, tak ada empayar yg jatuh dlm keadaan pemimpinnya papa kedana. semuanya jatuh dlm keadaan pemimpinnya tengah sibuk kumpul harta & kaya melana semuanya. kalo kat andalusia, orang islam sanggup mintak tolong ratu isabella memerangi saudara sesama islam sendiri semata-mata utk merebut kekuasaan, apa beza dgn melaka? harta sultan melaka yg dipunggah masuk alfonso ke kapal flor de la mar terlalu banyak sampai kapal tu terlebih muatan. nilai hartanya zaman sekarang dianggar mencecah 5 bilion. apa maknanya tu? tak cukup-cukup lagi ke sampai sultan mahmud terpaksa bunuh tun mutahir sebab takut tun mutahir rampas kuasa dia (kononnya lagi). cantas-mencantas, fitnah-memfitnah, dah jadik adat sejak dulu lagi. bayangkan hanya kerana beza sebahara emas dgn tun mutahir, raja mendaliar sanggup jual melaka kpd orang portugis. itu blom citer kerosakan kerajaan melayu melaka lagi masa tu (perlu diingat - kebenaran tanpa perancangan yg rapi selamanya akan kalah di tangan kebatilan dgn perancangan yg rapi). perangai sultan ahmad, layanan buruk kpd pedagang, pedagang asing berpaling tadah, rasuah, penindasan, sikap `ego` melaka yg tak nak mintak bantuan, pecah-belah, akhlak rakyat melaka sendiri - terlalu banyak yg menyumbang kpd kejatuhan melaka. kalo setakat teknologi senjata portugis saja, portugis takkan menang. kalo tak, takkan tentera melaka bole tewaskan portugis pd serangan pertama. dan melaka hanya dpt ditawan setelah 2 minggu berperang.
cuba renung balik, lepas melaka ditawan apa yg orang sekeliling buat? buat tak tau je. kalo tak kerana sultan pahang ada hubungan keluarga dgn sultan melaka rasanya dia pun malas nak tolong. ada sapa-sapa kisah bila portugis bina kota a famosa sedangkan sultan melaka dah maklum kota yg dibina tu akan menyebabkan melaka takkan dpt ditakluk semula? apa hal pulak citernya acheh & johor berperang sesama sendiri semata-mata nak tawan melaka. tercatat dlm sejarah perang segi tiga acheh & portugis penah bergabung utk menentang johor, johor penah bergabung dgn portugis utk menentang acheh, tapi johor & acheh tak penah bergabung utk menentang portugis. nampak tak apa masalahnya? nampak tak lagi bila johor bantu belanda tawan melaka, alih-alih belanda yg dapat melaka.
arggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! aku begitu malu dgn sejarah bangsa sendiri |
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Originally posted by iscol_klang at 19-7-2003 10:41 AM:
kalo diperhati-perhati sejarah ni elok-elok, tak ada empayar yg jatuh dlm keadaan pemimpinnya papa kedana. semuanya jatuh dlm keadaan pemimpinnya tengah sibuk kumpul harta & kaya melana semu ...
Ish orang melayu memang macam tu tak pernah bersatu tak payah nak tengok sejarah hari ini pun cukuplah.... |
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melayu hilang singapura sebab tamak waaaaaaaaa |
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Hmmm...
Originally posted by iscol_klang at 19-7-2003 10:41:
kalo diperhati-perhati sejarah ni elok-elok, tak ada empayar yg jatuh dlm keadaan pemimpinnya papa kedana. semuanya jatuh dlm keadaan pemimpinnya tengah sibuk kumpul harta & kaya melana semu ...
Tapi malangnya worang Melayu tak pernah nak ambik iktibar...
[AURA] [EFEK] [NOTA]
Deserve or not...? |
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Originally posted by AceHand at 22-7-2003 02:56 AM:
Tapi malangnya worang Melayu tak pernah nak ambik iktibar...
[AURA] [EFEK] [NOTA]
Deserve or not...?
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