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Author: SiNoob

Benarkah Ibrahim menipu

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Post on 24-10-2011 04:19 PM |All posts
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Post on 29-11-2011 07:50 PM |All posts
tumpang lalu..
Soalannya Benarkah Nabi Ibrahim menipu..
Aku berada di pihak yg mengatakan TIDAK.

-1lagi...kalaupun ada riwayat bukhari yg xdapat diterima, xkan tolak kesemuanya kot..tp riwayat yg ni aku masih tetap sokong pihak yg kata bukhari tidak memfitnah...

mesti jawapannya ada dalam ilmu seni bahasa ni...kan?

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Post on 10-12-2011 03:25 PM |All posts
aku jumpa site ni:

http://sunnah.org/msaec/articles/ibrahim_3lies.htm

"Both Bukhari and Muslim reported that the Prophet said:

lam yakdhib ibrahimu illa thalath kadhabat...
Ibrahim never lied except for three lies...

A hadith reported in both Bukhari and Muslim has the highest rank of authenticity; then what is reported in Bukhari only; then what is reported in Muslim only.

It is wrong to say: Ibrahim lied. Adab requires that we only say: the Prophet said: "Ibrahim never lied except for three lies..." and we must follow exactly the wording of the hadith, not paraphrase it with expressions of our own making, and we must ascertain that we've understood it lest we fall into a grave mistake. It is enough lie that we should report the hadith in translation.

Truly he is safe who keeps silent, as the Prophet said: man samita naja. We should know that to demean a Prophet, call him a liar, curse him or attack his rank, even unwittingly, constitutes a grave offense. May Allah protect us from the slips of the tongue. Whoever is in need to learn what constitutes such offenses from near or far should read Ibn Taymiyya's book al-Sarim al-maslul `ala shatim al-rasul or the chapter on the subject in Qadi `Iyad's book al-Shifa'.

As for what the `ulama of Ahl al-Sunna said about this hadith, it is that in this hadith the term "lies" is relative to the outside perspective of the people, not to the acts of the Prophet Ibrahim themselves. This is the explanation of Abu al-Wafa ibn `Aqil al-Hanbali, who added that to attribute common lies to Prophets would contradict their essential characteristic as the most trustworthy of human beings and those who never lie. This is related by Ibn Hajar in Fath al-Bari and he states it as the correct view. Nawawi in Sharh Sahih Muslim cites a similar view from Qadi `Iyad and others. This is the understanding of Ahl al-Sunna, and Allah knows best."

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Post on 19-12-2011 12:50 AM |All posts
tauriah rupanya

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Post on 17-2-2012 10:30 AM |All posts
Thread ni berbelit la....cikgu aku dulu suruh aku ikut al-quran n hadis....better ikut jer la....wallahualam.....hanya ALLAH yg maha mengetahui......

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Post on 26-5-2012 11:59 AM |All posts
xde belit pun sbenanya..

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Post on 27-5-2012 09:12 AM |All posts
Aku tak nampak halatuju perbicangan topik ni. Yang aku nampak makin sesat ada ler.

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Post on 27-5-2012 10:22 AM |All posts
Aku tak nampak halatuju perbicangan topik ni. Yang aku nampak makin sesat ada ler.
wan72 Post at 27-5-2012 09:12


perbincangan ini berkisar tentang perbezaan yang terdapat dalam quran dan hadith..

dalam quran di sebut ibrahim seorang yang benar..


dalam hadith di sebut ibrahim seorang penipu..


dan ianya telah lama selesai pun..


bukhari dan muslim tidak paham kata-kata retorik dari ibrahim..sebab tu dia kata ibrahim tipu..sedangkan quran paham..sebab tu kata ibrahim benar..


apa masalahnya lagi??

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Post on 27-5-2012 03:36 PM |All posts
bukhari dan muslim tidak paham kata-kata retorik dari ibrahim..sebab tu dia kata ibrahim tipu..sedangkan quran paham..sebab tu kata ibrahim benar..
SiNoob Post at 27-5-2012 10:22


Rasanya kamu yang tak faham apa yang Bukhari/muslim faham !

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Post on 27-5-2012 04:00 PM |All posts
SiNoob, Sebenarnya kamu semua yg tak faham hadis. Buat fitnah yg bukan2 kepada bukhari dan muslim. Aku tak kisah pasal tajuk. Tapi kalau dah sampai menghina imam2 besar macam bukhari dan muslim tu cuma menampakkan kesombongan dan kebongkakkan kamu jer. Cuba lebih ikhlas dlm membicarakan pasal ilmu. Orang yg tak ikhlas, orang yg sombong dan bongkak merupakan tanda2 kesesatan.

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Post on 27-5-2012 07:09 PM |All posts
SiNoob, Sebenarnya kamu semua yg tak faham hadis. Buat fitnah yg bukan2 kepada bukhari dan muslim. A ...
wan72 Post at 27-5-2012 16:00


xyah berbelit-belit..

bagitahu direct jer..


bukhari pembohong atau tidak..


kalau jawapannya pembohong..


saudara kata bukhari muslim betul n quran salah..


kalau saudara pilih ibrahim benar..


maka saudara setuju quran benar n bukhari muslim silap...


ataupun saudara ada jawapan lain..


kalau ada sila terangkan..

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Post on 27-5-2012 07:11 PM |All posts
SiNoob, Sebenarnya kamu semua yg tak faham hadis. Buat fitnah yg bukan2 kepada bukhari dan muslim. A ...
wan72 Post at 27-5-2012 16:00


ehehe..imam besar tu kata ibrahim penipu hang xkisah pula yer..

sedangkan quran sebut ibrahim benar..


bila aku kata imam besar tu salah paham..punyalah hang bengang n kata aku menghina..


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Post on 27-5-2012 11:48 PM |All posts
Reply 62# SiNoob
Tentang jawapan Nabi Ibrahim kepada penyembah berhala:
Al Anbiyaa:62
Mereka bertanya: "Apakah kamu, yang melakukan perbuatan ini terhadap tuhan-tuhan kami, hai Ibrahim?"

Al Anbiyaa:63
Ibrahim menjawab: "Sebenarnya patung yang besar itulah yang melakukannya, maka tanyakanlah kepada berhala itu, jika mereka dapat berbicara".


Itu adalah muslihat dan perancangan Nabi Ibrahim sendiri.
Al Anbiyaa:57
Demi Allah, sesungguhnya aku akan melakukan tipu daya terhadap berhala-berhalamu sesudah kamu pergi meninggalkannya.
   
Cuba kamu beritahu apakah perkataan Nabi Ibrahim dibawah (bold) ini 'Benar' atau 'Muslihat'

Al An'am:76
Ketika malam telah gelap, dia melihat sebuah bintang (lalu) dia berkata: "Inilah Tuhanku", tetapi tatkala bintang itu tenggelam dia berkata: "Saya tidak suka kepada yang tenggelam".


Al An'am:77
Kemudian tatkala dia melihat bulan terbit dia berkata: "Inilah Tuhanku". Tetapi setelah bulan itu terbenam, dia berkata: "Sesungguhnya jika Tuhanku tidak memberi petunjuk kepadaku, pastilah aku termasuk orang yang sesat"


Al An'am:78
Kemudian tatkala ia melihat matahari terbit, dia berkata: "Inilah Tuhanku, ini yang lebih besar". Maka tatkala matahari itu terbenam, dia berkata: "Hai kaumku, sesungguhnya aku berlepas diri dari apa yang kamu persekutukan.


Dan perhatikan juga tujuan kata-kata Nabi Ibrahim itu (merah)

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Post on 28-5-2012 07:39 AM |All posts
Post Last Edit by wan72 at 28-5-2012 08:07
xyah berbelit-belit..

bagitahu direct jer..


bukhari pembohong atau tidak..


kalau ja ...
SiNoob Post at 27-5-2012 19:09


Bukhari tidak berbohong. Dia yakin hadis itu adalah hadis sahih. Rasulullah kata nabi ibrahim pernah menipu, bukannya penipu. Yang patut kita bincang ialah kenapa nabi Ibrahim menipu pada 3 keadaan tersebut. Jgn buat fitnah yg bukan2.

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Post on 28-5-2012 08:11 AM |All posts
ehehe..imam besar tu kata ibrahim penipu hang xkisah pula yer..

sedangkan quran sebut ibrahim ...
SiNoob Post at 27-5-2012 19:11


Sebab ko buat tafsiran ikut nafsu jahat. Anak aku darjah 2 baca pun dia boleh faham. Jauh bezanya maksud menipu dgn penipu. Tapi kalau orang dah niat jahat tu, macam dia manipulate

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Post on 29-5-2012 01:07 AM |All posts
ler ...bukankah jelas Nabi dan Rasul ulul azmi Nabi Ibrahim AS tu pun  ( dan sifat wajib rasul semua dah tahu kat sini kan?)

nak perli je nak membuktikan BAHAWA sang berhala batu  tu tak berdaya nak pertahankan diri depa walupun ditakik berkali kali oleh Nabi Ibrahim AS


so ? what is the issue here?


mana boleh Nabi dan rasul penipu ....ini bertentangan dgn sifat wajib depa

isk isk isk ...


serious allegation ni...
able was I ere I saw Elba

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Post on 29-5-2012 01:08 AM |All posts
Sebab ko buat tafsiran ikut nafsu jahat. Anak aku darjah 2 baca pun dia boleh faham. Jauh bezany ...
wan72 Post at 28-5-2012 08:11



    you know manipulate dengan cara memberi penekanan pada struktur ayat makna tu disempitakan dan soal KONTEKS / situasi yg crucial untuk fahami makna di'abaikan'.
able was I ere I saw Elba

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Post on 29-5-2012 09:53 AM |All posts
you know manipulate dengan cara memberi penekanan pada struktur ayat makna tu disempitakan ...
mbhcsf Post at 29-5-2012 01:08


masalahnya bukhari muslim yang mengatakan ibrahim penipu..bukan pasal berhala tu jer..bahkan banyak 3 citer berkaitan ibrahim menipu terdapat dalam karya-karya bukhari muslim tu..

tu yang jadi persoalan..

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Post on 30-5-2012 12:04 AM |All posts
masalahnya bukhari muslim yang mengatakan ibrahim penipu..bukan pasal berhala tu jer..bahkan ban ...
SiNoob Post at 29-5-2012 09:53



Masalahnya ko tak dapat bezakan antara menipu dgn penipu

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Post on 11-6-2012 06:01 PM |All posts
Reply  ussopp

Salam ussop,


so, mcmana pula dgn doktrin aqidah ASWJ yg menetapkan bahawa sif ...
sirrikhafi Post at 24-9-2011 14:44


Masa tue,, Nabi Ibrahim A.s tak jadi Nabi lah.. Soalan yang senang dijawab..

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Post on 11-6-2012 06:11 PM |All posts
Post Last Edit by Isyroqiyyin at 11-6-2012 18:12

Masa tue,, Nabi Ibrahim A.s tak jadi Nabi lah.. Soalan yang senang dijawab..


Dalil? so, kalau bukan nabi, boleh membohong lah ye?

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Post on 26-8-2012 08:34 AM |All posts
..Nabi Nuh juga ditegur hanya kerna mendoakan anaknya..
..Sedangkan Nabi Yusuf berbuat helah thadap Bunyamin untuk menyatukan mereka..
..Nabi Musa 3x melanggar syarat Khidir..
..sedangkan Nabi Musa juga pernah (ter)membunuh..
bukan ka?

Jadi apakah kesalahan2 mereka menyebabkan mereka ditolak sepenuhnya / ditarik kerasulan mereka?

WAllahu a'lam~
alif ila ya
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