Maideen. posted on 21-8-2014 01:29 PM
Sebenarnya kes Khalid ini melibatkan lebih kurang Khalid jual saham miliknya kepada Bank Isle dan ...
saya ni bukan bidang ekonomi syariah Maideen....tapi nak lebih jelas...pengalaman Maideen..siapa yg salah sebenarnya?.
jual saham, beli saham balik..struktur balik. .bukan ke jual beli kali kedua tu..mesti penjual dan pembeli tandatangani transaksi tu?..ke main boh je?..ish tak faham AN Maideen..
badaksumbu posted on 21-8-2014 01:09 PM
ni katanya org tengah tu,
if tak silap, if dia menang kes tu, pelanggan lain yg pakai T&C same mcm dia pun leh menang kes. dlm law if tak silap, ada term utk kes2 camni, something precedence, saya bukan pelajar law.
did some google search, I think it's called binding precedent. if salah, mintak betulkan. Last edited by blackred99 on 21-8-2014 02:13 PM
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Maideen. posted on 21-8-2014 01:29 PM
Sebenarnya kes Khalid ini melibatkan lebih kurang Khalid jual saham miliknya kepada Bank Isle dan ...
Haha... Member aku ada buat loan....dia nak buat apa ntah...tp bank tulih situ pembiayaan pelaburan kelapa sawit...member heran sejak bila plak dia terlibat dgn sawit ni....
Anak_Nogori posted on 21-8-2014 01:51 PM
saya ni bukan bidang ekonomi syariah Maideen....tapi nak lebih jelas...pengalaman Maideen..siapa y ...
Itulah masalah yang menyelubungi ummah kini AN. Penggunaan akal dikalangan ummah amat tidak di galakan. Ungkapan ungkapan seperti " Akal kita hanya setitik jika dibandingkan dengan lautan ilmu Allah tawww" atau "Ulamak Pewaris Nabi tawwww dan oleh itu kita musti gunakan akal ulamak sahaja tawww!" dsbnya, sering di ungkapkan oleh oleh orang yang menaku mereka ulamak "yakni alim atau berilmu".
Maka ummah pon hanya mampu bertaklid (yakni ikut saja apa kata orang secara membabi buta). Mula mula bertaklid dengan Muhammad Idris (aka Imam Shafie). Ni bila Muhammad Idris dah meninggal, bertaklid pula dengan lobai lobai sarban janggut - kalau baru balik dari Mesir lagi hebat dan kalau baru balik dari Mesir pakai sarban dan membawa tasbih yang buahnya dibuat daripada bola ping pong, lagi lah disanjung. Mereka ini cari makan AN, kita kena faham tu. Selagi ada orang kagum dengan mereka, maka berterusan mereka aurat kehulu aurat kehilir, syumul kesana syumul kemari, sikit sikit hukum Allah sikit sikit hukum Allah, ber tahaful siyasi kesana bahalol habisi kemari!
Cukup mukadimah......
Didalam hal perbankan Islam pula, kita di malaya bertaklidkan dengan "fekah" (yakni "pemahaman" Muhammad Idris aka Imam Shafie). Imam Shafie sundri dilaporkan berkata "Jangan ambik dari aku tapi ambik dari apa yang aku ambik kerana aku mungkin silap!" Imam Shafie sundri pada pendapat Maideen adalah seorang yang mengambil secara literal. Pernah Maideen bagi contoh scenario ini:
Seorang lelaki menjual kepada seorang lobai (yang bini bini balik kampong semuanya) seorang hamba wanita miliknya ditangga masjid, selepas Isyak. Katalah harga jualannya 1000 dirham. Lobai itu bersetuju untuk menjual hamba wanita itu semula kepada lelaki itu hamba wanita tersebut sebanyak 500 dirham keesokan harinya selepas mereka sembahyang suboh!
Harus lah perbuatan ini dilihat sebagai jual beli yang sah di sisi Shariah oleh Imam Shafie di masakini dan bukannya transaksi memperdagan manusia! Ini kerana Imam Shafie tidak melihat langsung akan niat kedua pihak tersebut! dalam pemahaman beliau jika perjanjian jual beli itu sah (siap dengan segala rukunnya termasuk aqadnya) maka sah lah perbuatan itu! (Mungkin kita boleh renungkan fekah Imam Shafie tentang cara membayar zakat fitrah yang betul.)
Nah! Ini BBA dimana lu jual sama wa dan wa jual balik, dalam fekah Imam Shafie adalah patuh Shariah. Tapi di jurisdiksi lain di mana orang bertaklid kat Imam lain, ianya di lihat sebagai suatu "hilah" sahaja dan mungkin hamya mahu menipu Allah SWT sahaja. Itu sebab ianya di kritik dan dikecam hebat! tapi ulamak ulamak Malaya hanya mampu berkata "Hehehe....hehehehe....sumua mazhab betul maaaa!", sesambil tersipu sipu!
Jadinya bila AN bertanya siapa salah, yang sebenernya ummah yang salah. Tak mampu berfikir, cepat melatah bila ditunjukan kebodohan, tapi perasan bagus dan orang kagum! malah ada pula yang mengatakan Yahudi dan Nasroni dengki!
Itulah keadaan dan masa yang kita hidup didalamnya sekarang ini. Orang kampong Maideen hanya mampu berkata " O tempora! o mores!"
Wallahualam. Last edited by Maideen. on 21-8-2014 03:38 PM
Maideen. posted on 21-8-2014 01:29 PM
Sebenarnya kes Khalid ini melibatkan lebih kurang Khalid jual saham miliknya kepada Bank Isle dan ...
I had just purchased another house M. The bank asked me do I want islamic loan. I said no. I remember your posts in here. They quoted me a much higher rate, its just that the rate wont change.
The fact is they have incorporated everything and I think I will be paying more.
honeybee1802 posted on 21-8-2014 02:33 PM
Haha... Member aku ada buat loan....dia nak buat apa ntah...tp bank tulih situ pembiayaan pelabura ...
Itu namanya "tabaruK" ka apa kaka. Ianya di rekacipata dengan membabitkan orang ketiga. Jika "Lu jual sama wa, wa jual sama lu balik", nampak sangat menipu Allah SWT, kita babitkan orang ketiga dan barang yang dijual beli itu adalah dari pasaran yang halal ia itu kernal kelapa sawait!
Mungkin bila cara iniu dilakukan, Allah SWT tak lah perasan sangat.
blackred99 posted on 21-8-2014 02:07 PM
if tak silap, if dia menang kes tu, pelanggan lain yg pakai T&C same mcm dia pun leh menang kes. d ...
pun google jugak n jumpa term legal precedent. precedent tak precedent, kalau tanya sy yg bkn student law ni, tiga2 pihak yg terlibat dlm settlement ni mmg x berintergriti/x bermoral. mcm kes kantoi la pulak.
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Maideen. posted on 21-8-2014 03:09 PM
Itulah masalah yang menyelubungi ummah kini AN. Penggunaan akal dikalangan ummah amat tidak di gal ...
I baru ingat nak berhutang balik...ingat nak guna Islamic loan...adakah semua bank yg mengamalkan Islamic financing ni sama dgn bank Islam...kalau ya patutlah bank Mata sepet pun ada guna islamic namr
scorpionkiki posted on 21-8-2014 03:25 PM
I baru ingat nak berhutang balik...ingat nak guna Islamic loan...adakah semua bank yg mengamalkan ...
Jangankan mata sepet bro. Yang mata biru kokusyen pon nak buat. Yerlah, orang semua nak patuh "syariah" kan . Rasanya Islam tidak melarang kafir laknatullah buat duit sikit....
Orang Isle pon buleh lah mendabik dada dan berkata " See? Orang kafir laknatullah pon nampak keindahan Isle tawww! Cam tu baru tahaful siyasi! "
Wallahualam. Last edited by Maideen. on 21-8-2014 03:32 PM
Published: Thursday August 21, 2014 MYT 7:02:00 PM
Updated: Thursday August 21, 2014 MYT 7:17:22 PM
Selangor MB crisis: Meeting on Bank Islam deal a 'waste of time', says Khalid Samad
BY RAHMAH GHAZALI
SHAH ALAM: Shah Alam PAS MP Khalid Samad said that a meeting he had with Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim's lawyers in a bid to seek the truth behind the embattled Mentri Besar's Bank Islam out-of-court settlement was a failure and a "waste of time".
At a press conference here Thursday, he said the two-hour meeting last Saturday with Khalid Ibrahim's lawyers Mathew Thomas and Derek Fernandez, was "virtually a waste of time" as it raised even more questions.
The meeting, he said, was arranged by Khalid Ibrahim as PAS was willing to be the mediator between him and PKR in an attempt to clear his name.
He said Thomas, who represented Khalid Ibrahim in the Bank Islam case, confirmed that there was an out-of-court settlement over a RM70mil loan, but the details could not be revealed.
"The details of the out-of-court settlement could not be revealed unless they received a green light from Khalid Ibrahim.
"He just told us that Khalid Ibrahim made some payment to Bank Islam, but he couldn't tell us the amount involved," said Khalid Samad, who was accompanied by PAS' lawyer and treasurer Asmuni Awi.
On Tuesday, The Star Online reported that Khalid Samad had met with Khalid Ibrahim's lawyers where he denied he was satisfied with the outcome of the meeting.
Khalid Samad said they were merely assured that the settlement was "above board" but the lawyers said they were "not at liberty to provide the details".
"Our meeting ended with our questions remained unanswered although we were promised that the meeting was aimed to explain everything," he said.
He said now the onus is on Khalid Ibrahim to come clean and clear his name from accusations that he was "compromised" and "bought over" by his former PKR colleagues.
"Asmuni and I were willing to sign a non-disclosure agreement, if needed, if we could be provided with the details verifying that the out-of-court settlement was truly above board.
"If that was the truth, we would say to his friends in PKR that there was no case against Khalid Ibrahim and would advise them to stop attacking him.
"Unfortunately, this opportunity has gone to waste," he said, adding that to date, Khalid Ibrahim has yet to allow his lawyers release the details of the settlement.