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mashimaru83 posted on 27-2-2013 06:42 PM 
Again, out of context. Let me paste the question again:
I'm surprised that you use "to motiva ... Again, out of context. Let me paste the question again:
I'm surprised that you use "to motivate people" as a reason to call other people stupid. Is this originated from Christian teaching? Do you mind to give the verse?
is not originated from my faith...get the fact rite moron..that i am not religious which you call Christian...
only relgiious peoples are too emotional and judge others...
Trust me, I don't mind other people call you stupid or moron. It's not my business. I'm looking for Christian teaching that says "you can call them stupid to motivate them".
than you should deserved to be call such manner...because u ask silly question..
No, I don't know Bible that well. I'm still looking for your answer to my questions.
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sam1528 posted on 27-2-2013 06:57 PM
Ha ha , why you still want to 'konar konar'? You did not call any stores to find out. First you st ...
mind telling which b ook store that selling the profes you claimed says things about Bible??
in malaysia ok...
if not, take that materials like toilet papers..
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 12:18 AM
is not originated from my faith...get the fact rite moron..that i am not religious which you cal ... Truth.8:
is not originated from my faith...get the fact rite moron..that i am not religious which you call Christian...
only relgiious peoples are too emotional and judge others...
Again, please bring evident/proof that "only religious people are too emotional and judge others". Unless you bring the proof, I am going to assume that is just simply an assumption from your side.
Truth.8:
than you should deserved to be call such manner...because u ask silly question..
Truth.8:
get good pastor to study unless with open hearted ...i doubt that..
1) only religious people are too emotional and judge others (post #302).
2) suggesting muslims are stupid (post #286)
3) saying "muslims yg taksub adalah muslims yg mengamalkan semua dlm ajaran islam".
...probably more
Please bring your proof.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Source: http://bible.cc/1_thessalonians/5-21.htm
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 12:20 AM
mind telling which b ook store that selling the profes you claimed says things about Bible??
in malaysia ok...
if not, take that materials like toilet papers..
Ha ha , what lah you tambi. Your logic is all twisted.
Let say if I cannot find the Greek bible in any Malaysian bookstore , by your logic the Greek bible is like toilet paper.
'Konar konar' some more lah ....
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sam1528 posted on 28-2-2013 12:46 PM
Ha ha , what lah you tambi. Your logic is all twisted.
Let say if I cannot find the Greek bible ...
proof to me that those books or materials available in malaysia ....the professor barcay...other wise it consider slander and lies from you
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mashimaru83 posted on 28-2-2013 08:05 AM
You said only religious people are too emotional and judge others. I don't follow your logic here, ... You said only religious people are too emotional and judge others. I don't follow your logic here, you said you are not religious but at the same time you are being emotional and call other people moron?
Again, please bring evident/proof that "only religious people are too emotional and judge others". Unless you bring the proof, I am going to assume that is just simply an assumption from your side.
religious peoples like u are emotional ...that never change.....
that is good example....
see on yearly basis...which religious peoples bomb here and there??? hijacked plane, bomb building ...calling their own peoples kafir????
Your failure to provide the evident showing that "you can call them stupid to motivate them" is not originated from Christian teaching. You were basically using your experience as a basis to your response. Again this is unfair.
is unfair to you but it logic to me
No, at this moment I'm not looking to learn Bible. You have made a few accusation and unbasis assumption through out this discussion. Let me list down some of them:
1) only religious people are too emotional and judge others (post #302).
2) suggesting muslims are stupid (post #286)
3) saying "muslims yg taksub adalah muslims yg mengamalkan semua dlm ajaran islam".
...probably more
Please bring your proof.
in Bible it never mentioned about relgious when peoples blend with religious things ...it become reglious.
did i says all muslims stupid???? or u?? or u twsting my fact...
hmm too many nick name but sound same person...
of course is good ..u thing is bad...
get life moron
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 01:09 PM
proof to me that those books or materials available in malaysia ....the professor barcay...other wise it consider slander and lies from you
Ha ha , have you gone crazy or what?
I asked you to go to Kinokuniya to order the said book. You refused to do it. Yet you whine and blabber as above. Like I stated , if you cannot find the Greek bible .... then the bible is all lies and slander .... your 'konar konar' logic
The book has a proper ISBN ... this shows that you have never read any books in your life
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sam1528 posted on 28-2-2013 01:22 PM
Ha ha , have you gone crazy or what?
I asked you to go to Kinokuniya to order the said book. Yo ... I asked you to go to Kinokuniya to order the said book. You refused to do it. Yet you whine and blabber as above. Like I stated , if you cannot find the Greek bible .... then the bible is all lies and slander .... your 'konar konar'
i also contact the kino boostore but do not have such book...
so, are you konor 2 again??
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 01:14 PM
religious peoples like u are emotional ...that never change.....
that is good example....
Truth.8:
religious peoples like u are emotional ...that never change.....
that is good example....
Truth.8:
is unfair to you but it logic to me
Truth.8:
in Bible it never mentioned about relgious when peoples blend with religious things ...it become reglious.
did i says all muslims stupid???? or u?? or u twsting my fact...
hmm too many nick name but sound same person...
You have made a few accusation and unbasis assumption through out this discussion. Let me list down some of them:
1) only religious people are too emotional and judge others (post #301).
2) suggesting muslims are stupid (post #286)
3) saying "muslims yg taksub adalah muslims yg mengamalkan semua dlm ajaran islam".
...probably more
Truth.8:
of course is good ..u thing is bad...
get life moron
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 01:31 PM
are you crazy? it you makes such slander against Bible with so called professor barcay...it your responsbile to tell me which store book in malaysia i can obtain...simple as that..
i also contact the kino boostore but do not have such book...
so, are you konor 2 again??
Ha ha what slander against the bible? Why only bookstore in Malaysia? Why are you so against getting the said book from online Amazon store? This shows that you have nothing more to argue but very silly issues that if the book is not in stock in the Malaysian bookstore , then its slender / lies against your bible. This is what we call 'konar konar'.
Ha ha , podah lah tambi ..... I was just at Kinokuniya ordering the book 'Islam and the Destiny of Man' by Gai Eton. I did ask about the said book by William Barclay and gave them the ISBN. No problems , can order. Next time kalau nak bohong - PRO sikit. I don't think you'ver ever been to Kinokuniya.
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sam1528 posted on 28-2-2013 06:29 PM
Ha ha what slander against the bible? Why only bookstore in Malaysia? Why are you so against getti ... Ha ha , podah lah tambi ..... I was just at Kinokuniya ordering the book 'Islam and the Destiny of Man' by Gai Eton. I did ask about the said book by William Barclay and gave them the ISBN. No problems , can order. Next time kalau nak bohong - PRO sikit. I don't think you'ver ever been to Kinokuniya.
my question, why professor barcay not available here??? is your responsible not mine...even they can get it by order, why there is not enough stocks? clearly, this materials full of craps ...
like i said, peoples will do anything to make money...just like da vinci code....it scam
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mashimaru83 posted on 28-2-2013 06:07 PM
Bring the evident that shows that I'm being emotional. All the while it was you who were being e ... Bring the evident that shows that I'm being emotional. All the while it was you who were being emotional by calling other people moron/stupid. Let me repeat the question: Please bring evident/proof that "only religious people are too emotional and judge others". Unless you bring the proof, I am going to assume that is just simply an assumption from your side.
the tone of ur writings can sense that...
if i m emotional,,,be it....not big deal lah
'Logical' to you but not others.
others who??? u ??
Again you forgot to provide evident for your below statement. Let me remind you:
You have made a few accusation and unbasis assumption through out this discussion. Let me list down some of them:
1) only religious people are too emotional and judge others (post #301).
2) suggesting muslims are stupid (post #286)
3) saying "muslims yg taksub adalah muslims yg mengamalkan semua dlm ajaran islam".
...probably more
if u have problem understanding my statments....not my business...
I'm living my life now, what do you mean by 'get life'?
is that life for u??? hmmm....poor souls
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 09:12 PM
the tone of ur writings can sense that...
if i m emotional,,,be it....not big deal lah
Truth.8:
the tone of ur writings can sense that...
if i m emotional,,,be it....not big deal lah
Sorry if I sound emotional from my writing (English isn't my first language, remember?)
It's a big deal:
1) You said: only religious people are too emotional and judge others (post #301).
2) You said: i am not religious which you call Christian (post #301).
3) But then you are being too emotional, which invalidate number 1).
Truth.8:
others who??? u ??
Your failure to provide the evident showing that "you can call them stupid to motivate them" is not originated from Christian teaching. You were basically using your experience as a basis to your response. Again this is unfair.
If you think this is logical, please provide the evident so that we can assess it.
Truth.8:
I'm living my life now, what do you mean by 'get life'?
is that life for u??? hmmm....poor souls
Again, that is just your opinion, if you have evident to justify your saying, please bring it forward so that we can assess it.
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 09:08 PM
my question, why professor barcay not available here??? is your responsible not mine...even they can get it by order, why there is not enough stocks? clearly, this materials full of craps ...
like i said, peoples will do anything to make money...just like da vinci code....it scam
Ha ha , you mean if the said book is not readily available that means it is crap. The Greek bible is not readily available. To your logic , it is crap? You are full of 'konar konar' , aren't you?
It is my responsibility why the said book is not readily available? Are you mentally unstable?
Ha ha , you got to ridicule the mentality of bible thumping fundies like you. When ever you cannot answer , against all evidence , you claim money making conspiracy.
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mashimaru83 posted on 28-2-2013 10:32 PM
Sorry if I sound emotional from my writing (English isn't my first language, remember?)
It' ... Sorry if I sound emotional from my writing (English isn't my first language, remember?)
It's a big deal:
1) You said: only religious people are too emotional and judge others (post #301).
2) You said: i am not religious which you call Christian (post #301).
3) But then you are being too emotional, which invalidate number 1).
religious peoples tend to get too emotional and judge others...that is the fact....i hve experiences it.. maybe you called it assumption...i dont care because i hve gone thru this kind of situation
there is not such thing christian...if u going repeat this same question...i not going answer again..
if i m emotional...i dont care of less...i m not a person too senstitive by repeating words all the time...Your failure to provide the evident showing that "you can call them stupid to motivate them" is not originated from Christian teaching. You were basically using your experience as a basis to your response. Again this is unfair.
If you think this is logical, please provide the evident so that we can assess it.
if u got problem with that, be it...put stop to it...dont be so emotional repeating it...
Again, that is just your opinion, if you have evident to justify your saying, please bring it forward so that we can assess it.
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sam1528 posted on 28-2-2013 11:04 PM
Ha ha , you mean if the said book is not readily available that means it is crap. The Greek bible ... Ha ha , you mean if the said book is not readily available that means it is crap. The Greek bible is not readily available. To your logic , it is crap? You are full of 'konar konar' , aren't you?
It is my responsibility why the said book is not readily available? Are you mentally unstable?
Ha ha , you got to ridicule the mentality of bible thumping fundies like you. When ever you cannot answer , against all evidence , you claim money making conspiracy.
next please
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sam1528 posted on 28-2-2013 11:04 PM
Ha ha , you mean if the said book is not readily available that means it is crap. The Greek bible ...
How can we discern false teachers?   [url=]Matthew 7:13-23[/url] “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14 “For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it. 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”
False prophets are particularly dangerous because they appear to be genuine. They seemingly have the credentials of authority. What are these credentials? Jesus calls them ‘sheep’s clothing’ (verse 15).
[“He said that the false prophets were like wolves in sheep’s clothing. When the shepherd watched his flocks upon the hillside, his garment was a sheepskin, worn with the skin outside and the fleece inside. But a man might wear a shepherd’s dress and still not be a shepherd. The prophets had acquired a conventional dress. Elijah had a mantle ([url=]1 Kings 19:13,19[/url]), and that mantle had been a hairy cloak ([url=]2 Kings 1:8[/url]). That sheepskin mantle had become the uniform of the prophets, just as the Greek philosophers had worn the philosopher’s robe. It was by that mantle that the prophet could be distinguished from other men. But sometimes that garb was worn by those who had no right to wear it, for Zechariah in his picture of the great days to come says, “Neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive’’ ([url=]Zechariah 13:4[/url]). There were those who wore a prophet’s cloak, but who lived anything but a prophet’s life.” William Barclay, The Gospel of Matthew (Edinburgh: The Saint Andrew Press, 1963), 1, p. 286.]
The outward forms would incline one to believe these false prophets to be reliable guides. They may wear a distinctive garb which sets them apart as leaders. They may have the title ‘reverend.’ They may be men who hold positions of religious leadership. They may well have graduated from a divinity school. Indeed, they might even be seminary professors. Judging on the basis of external indications we might wrongly assume them to be reliable guides, but we must not evaluate them on such external evidence.
These false prophets can be detected by their fruits. Judging by external forms is risky; judging (if you prefer, discerning) on the basis of fruits is absolutely necessary and part of our responsibility. ‘The proof of the root is in the fruit.’ Good trees produce good fruit, and rotten trees, bad fruit. A dependable assessment of those who would be guides is that of their fruits (Matthew7:20). But, what are these fruits? One must be very careful here, for false prophets are not without religious activities. A false prophet is often accompanied by deceptive signs and by seeming wonders. Some of these are suggested in [url=]Matthew 7:22[/url]: “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophecy in Your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?”’
We should expect false prophets to engage in acts of kindness and charity. We should expect them to perform deeds which suggest miraculous power. And we should expect that these deeds be performed under the pretext of being done by God’s power and to His glory.
“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their deeds” ([url=]2 Corinthians 11:13-15[/url]).
We should expect false prophets to be accompanied by religious works, often unusual and spectacular, done ostensibly in the name of God. Satan willingly gives the glory to God in such cases, so long as ultimately he is able to deceive people and cause them to their allegiance and obedience him.
But are these religious activities the fruits of which the Master spoke? If not, what are they? The Scriptures frequently describe the fruits of the false prophets, so that we are left with little doubt as to what we should look for. I believe we can see the fruits of the false prophets falling into three categories.
(1) The first category of the fruits of the false prophet is their doctrine. False prophets speak from their own delusion, not by divine command ([url=]Jeremiah 23:16,21,25[/url]; [url=]Ezekiel 13:2[/url]). They do not proclaim or defend God’s word, but deny it ([url=]Jeremiah 23:17[/url]). In particular they deny unpleasant subjects such as impending judgment ([url=]Jeremiah 6:14[/url]; 28:17; [url=]Ezekiel 13:10[/url]). They offer temporary and partial relief to pressing problems ([url=]Jeremiah 8:11[/url]). Mainly, they tell people precisely what they want to hear ([url=]1 Kings 22:8, 13[/url]; [url=]2 Timothy 4:3-4[/url]). Concerning the way of salvation they deny the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ and they reject the work of Christ on the cross ([url=]2 Peter 2:1[/url]; [url=]1 John 4:2-3[/url]).
(2) The second category of the fruits of the false prophets is the effect of their teaching in the lives of men. Invariably it leads to a rejection of God’s word, a rejection of biblical authority, a division among the saints ([url=]Jeremiah 23:2,14[/url]) and a life of sensuality ([url=]2 Peter 2:2[/url]). They attempt to lead men away from the truth of the gospel ([url=]Acts 13:8[/url]), and to deceive genuine Christians with false doctrine ([url=]Mark 13:22[/url]). This is also evident from the pastoral epistles (1 and 2Timothy and Titus) where Paul speaks of the need of sound or healthy doctrine ([url=]1 Tim. 4:6[/url]; [url=]2 Tim. 4:3[/url]; [url=]Tit. 1:9[/url]; 2:1).
(3) Finally, there is the fruit of the false teachers as evidenced in their own moral character. They are easily distinguished by their pride ([url=]2 Peter 2:10[/url]), their greed ([url=]Jeremiah 8:10[/url]; [url=]Titus 1:11[/url]; [url=]2 Peter 2:3,14[/url]) and immorality ([url=]Jeremiah 23:11,14[/url]; [url=]2 Peter 2:14[/url]). They are men dominated by the flesh ([url=]2 Peter 2:10,12[/url]; 3:3). They prey upon the weak and the guilt-ridden ([url=]2 Timothy 3:6-7[/url]; [url=]2 Peter 2:14,13[/url]). While they profess to know God, by their deeds they deny Him ([url=]Matthew 7:22-23[/url]; [url=]2 Timothy 3:5[/url]; [url=]Titus 1:16[/url]). While they delight in authority, they refuse to submit to it ([url=]2 Peter 2:10[/url]).
“A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?” ([url=]Luke 6:39[/url]).
There are many godless guides who would lead us to the wide gate and the way which leads to destruction. These false teachers are not only blind themselves, but they lead others to destruction with them. It is the Lord Who will pronounce the final verdict and Who will sentence the false prophets to everlasting torment.
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 11:19 PM
my mental is strong enough
next please
Huh? to you , 'mentality' = 'mental' ..... ha ha - 'konar koner' some more issit?
This should be interesting for you , Arnoud van Doorn a former member of Geert Wilders party converted to IslamArnoud van Doorn, ancien membre du PVV, le parti politique d’extrême droite dirigée par Geert Wilders s’est converti à l’Islam. Il a fait cette annonce par le biais de Twitter.
Il a commencé par un premier tweet où il écrivait « Un nouveau départ ». Puis dans son deuxième tweet il écrivait l’attestation de foi.
- See more at: http://www.islamic-events.be/201 ... thash.mV2OZGB9.dpuf
On Google translate :
Arnoud van Doorn, former member of the PVV, the right-wing political party led by Geert Wilders has converted to Islam. He made ​​the announcement via Twitter.
He began by first tweet he wrote "A New Beginning". Then in his second tweet he wrote the testimony of faith.
- See more at: http://www.islamic-events.be/2013/02/arnoud-van-doorn-islam/ # sthash.mV2OZGB9.dpuf
Quran61:8 (Sahih International)
They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it.
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Truth.8 posted on 28-2-2013 11:36 PM
How can we discern false teachers? Matthew 7:13-23 “Enter by the narrow ga ... How can we discern false teachers?
[url=]Matthew 7:13-23[/url] “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. 14 “For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it. 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 “Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 “A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’”
False prophets are particularly dangerous because they appear to be genuine. They seemingly have the credentials of authority. What are these credentials? Jesus calls them ‘sheep’s clothing’ (verse 15).
[“He said that the false prophets were like wolves in sheep’s clothing. When the shepherd watched his flocks upon the hillside, his garment was a sheepskin, worn with the skin outside and the fleece inside. But a man might wear a shepherd’s dress and still not be a shepherd. The prophets had acquired a conventional dress. Elijah had a mantle ([url=]1 Kings 19:13,19[/url]), and that mantle had been a hairy cloak ([url=]2 Kings 1:8[/url]). That sheepskin mantle had become the uniform of the prophets, just as the Greek philosophers had worn the philosopher’s robe. It was by that mantle that the prophet could be distinguished from other men. But sometimes that garb was worn by those who had no right to wear it, for Zechariah in his picture of the great days to come says, “Neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive’’ ([url=]Zechariah 13:4[/url]). There were those who wore a prophet’s cloak, but who lived anything but a prophet’s life.” William Barclay, The Gospel of Matthew (Edinburgh: The Saint Andrew Press, 1963), 1, p. 286.]
The outward forms would incline one to believe these false prophets to be reliable guides. They may wear a distinctive garb which sets them apart as leaders. They may have the title ‘reverend.’ They may be men who hold positions of religious leadership. They may well have graduated from a divinity school. Indeed, they might even be seminary professors. Judging on the basis of external indications we might wrongly assume them to be reliable guides, but we must not evaluate them on such external evidence.
These false prophets can be detected by their fruits. Judging by external forms is risky; judging (if you prefer, discerning) on the basis of fruits is absolutely necessary and part of our responsibility. ‘The proof of the root is in the fruit.’ Good trees produce good fruit, and rotten trees, bad fruit. A dependable assessment of those who would be guides is that of their fruits (Matthew7:20). But, what are these fruits? One must be very careful here, for false prophets are not without religious activities. A false prophet is often accompanied by deceptive signs and by seeming wonders. Some of these are suggested in [url=]Matthew 7:22[/url]: “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophecy in Your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?”’
We should expect false prophets to engage in acts of kindness and charity. We should expect them to perform deeds which suggest miraculous power. And we should expect that these deeds be performed under the pretext of being done by God’s power and to His glory.
“For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their deeds” ([url=]2 Corinthians 11:13-15[/url]).
We should expect false prophets to be accompanied by religious works, often unusual and spectacular, done ostensibly in the name of God. Satan willingly gives the glory to God in such cases, so long as ultimately he is able to deceive people and cause them to their allegiance and obedience him.
But are these religious activities the fruits of which the Master spoke? If not, what are they? The Scriptures frequently describe the fruits of the false prophets, so that we are left with little doubt as to what we should look for. I believe we can see the fruits of the false prophets falling into three categories.
(1) The first category of the fruits of the false prophet is their doctrine. False prophets speak from their own delusion, not by divine command ([url=]Jeremiah 23:16,21,25[/url]; [url=]Ezekiel 13:2[/url]). They do not proclaim or defend God’s word, but deny it ([url=]Jeremiah 23:17[/url]). In particular they deny unpleasant subjects such as impending judgment ([url=]Jeremiah 6:14[/url]; 28:17; [url=]Ezekiel 13:10[/url]). They offer temporary and partial relief to pressing problems ([url=]Jeremiah 8:11[/url]). Mainly, they tell people precisely what they want to hear ([url=]1 Kings 22:8, 13[/url]; [url=]2 Timothy 4:3-4[/url]). Concerning the way of salvation they deny the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ and they reject the work of Christ on the cross ([url=]2 Peter 2:1[/url]; [url=]1 John 4:2-3[/url]).
(2) The second category of the fruits of the false prophets is the effect of their teaching in the lives of men. Invariably it leads to a rejection of God’s word, a rejection of biblical authority, a division among the saints ([url=]Jeremiah 23:2,14[/url]) and a life of sensuality ([url=]2 Peter 2:2[/url]). They attempt to lead men away from the truth of the gospel ([url=]Acts 13:8[/url]), and to deceive genuine Christians with false doctrine ([url=]Mark 13:22[/url]). This is also evident from the pastoral epistles (1 and 2Timothy and Titus) where Paul speaks of the need of sound or healthy doctrine ([url=]1 Tim. 4:6[/url]; [url=]2 Tim. 4:3[/url]; [url=]Tit. 1:9[/url]; 2:1).
(3) Finally, there is the fruit of the false teachers as evidenced in their own moral character. They are easily distinguished by their pride ([url=]2 Peter 2:10[/url]), their greed ([url=]Jeremiah 8:10[/url]; [url=]Titus 1:11[/url]; [url=]2 Peter 2:3,14[/url]) and immorality ([url=]Jeremiah 23:11,14[/url]; [url=]2 Peter 2:14[/url]). They are men dominated by the flesh ([url=]2 Peter 2:10,12[/url]; 3:3). They prey upon the weak and the guilt-ridden ([url=]2 Timothy 3:6-7[/url]; [url=]2 Peter 2:14,13[/url]). While they profess to know God, by their deeds they deny Him ([url=]Matthew 7:22-23[/url]; [url=]2 Timothy 3:5[/url]; [url=]Titus 1:16[/url]). While they delight in authority, they refuse to submit to it ([url=]2 Peter 2:10[/url]).
“A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?” ([url=]Luke 6:39[/url]).
There are many godless guides who would lead us to the wide gate and the way which leads to destruction. These false teachers are not only blind themselves, but they lead others to destruction with them. It is the Lord Who will pronounce the final verdict and Who will sentence the false prophets to everlasting torment.
Ha ha , such a long copy paste. Do you understand it? I quote the work of Prof Tabor in his book Paul and Jesus: How the Apostle Transformed ChristianityThe followers of James, who was the brother of Jesus and likely the author of the New Testament letter that bears his name, continued to live as Jews, observing Torah and worshipping in the Jerusalem Temple while honoring Jesus as their martyred Teacher and Messiah. This group was quickly displaced by Paul, whose theological teachings on the forgiveness of sins through the blood of Christ; the gift of eternal life guaranteed by faith in Jesus’ resurrection from the dead; and a glorified heavenly reign with Christ when he returns reached a larger, non-Jewish audience because of the more philosophical language and nature. Although Paul has long been acknowledged as the founder of Christianity,
(1) 1cor7:25
Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy
(2) rom3:28
For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law
Biblical Jesus stated in mat5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them
Biblical James in james2:24
You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
(3) 2tess3:10
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat
Biblical Jesus stated in mat25:35
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in
What do you think of Paul now?
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sam1528 posted on 1-3-2013 01:04 PM
Ha ha , such a long copy paste. Do you understand it? I quote the work of Prof Tabor in his book ...
With due respect , I closed the topic related to Professor Willam Barcay. The reason for doing so, as Bible reading guy, we found ample of proof that such materials or writings is not fact rather his own view. Morever, base of Bibical writings, we will face such 'wolf in sheep clothing' in future, present or past.
with sayings that, we closed this topic on that subject.
thank you...
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