well.. my mind seem rejecting the idea 1+1+1= is 1..
You are absolutely correct when come to math equation. But is God under math? Do you think God can be at one place at one time only? That if you fit God into the 1 + 1 + 1 equation.
Do your god able to be with the millions of believers at same time, would not that be 1 + 1 + millions of 1. Then, should your god be called millions of different gods??
does it make me wrong to say 1+1+1 is not 1??? so.. now am i foolish to contradict your idea???
I never stated that you are wrong in the math equation. I'm just stating you are wrong in placing the equation on God.
again: 1 make rains, and the other 1 get wet = they curse each other. can you imagine it??
Hmmm.. If the one who make rain already know about the rain. How can he (who is the one) stand in the rain curses the other one (who is also Him). Maybe you should tell me in the bible where did ever Jesus curses God? Show me.
so.. now equation does not represent god.. isn't it????
then, why you need trinity???
come on..
1 god makes rain.. the other god get wets = similar on what you claimed that 'jesus converse with holy spirit and father' on how to creat the universe... remember????
now, yesterday you said they both different = converse with 'each other'.. today you said they are all in the same manner 1 entity.. come onnn.. make up your mind which is which
Trinity just carry the meaning that God've chosen three forms to show Himself to mankind. Very simple explanation.
1 god makes rain.. the other god get wets = similar on what you claimed that 'jesus converse with holy spirit and father' on how to creat the universe... remember????
Hmmm... you kinda forget that that happens before Jesus became man. He is with God from the beginning of time. Universe was created at that moment.
now, yesterday you said they both different = converse with 'each other'.. today you said they are all in the same manner 1 entity.. come onnn.. make up your mind which is which
i have make up my mind long time ago. Only you are the one who still cannot comprehend the power of the Almighty God. If you do let God be God, you should know that He can do what is believed by the Christians. Dont block God in a small box.
Trinity just carry the meaning that God've chosen three forms to show Himself to mankind. Very simple explanation.
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let me put to this:
- God. 1. then 'he' choose 3 forms to show mankind (1)... now... 1 god = become 3... just to show mankind.. rite??
1. how in the world that these god needs 3 forms whilst he can appear to be human at anytime he wishes??? 2. how... he, being singular form.. 'talk'.. to 'his' other forms??? does it means different god.. or suffering some kind of mutiple personality disorder??
clarify this..
Hmmm... you kinda forget that that happens before Jesus became man. He is with God from the beginning of time. Universe was created at that moment.
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you are say.. after jesus there is no rain??? because the 'god' were living with mankind and he don't want to get himself wet... rite?
or
jesus also get wet by the rain = and the rain were send down by 'other god'.. not jesus himself??
so.. there IS another supreme being other than jesus.. rite??
now you see the different here..
i have make up my mind long time ago. Only you are the one who still cannot comprehend the power of the Almighty God. If you do let God be God, you should know that He can do what is believed by the Christians. Dont block God in a small box.
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no... you hasn.. let me repeat my question here:
1. you said, these jesus 'converse' with god the father when decideing to create the universe : are he talking to himself or... talking to 2nd party??
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kompia23 Post at 19-1-2010 21:54
See! unekspekted put it in the mathematical form as anything concerns logic is mathematics.
He got blurred at the formula and shoot back the equation as wrong.....
Somehow?
1. how in the world that these god needs 3 formswhilst he can appear to be human at anytime he wishes???
Now let me ask you, when God became Jesus. Is it a time set by man or set by God? Another thing, did not God has appeared many times in the old testaments as man showing that He did do what you have said... And if He chosen to be a man as Jesus, He can do it... Or He cannot?. This is the question you should ask yourself.
2. how... he, being singular form.. 'talk'.. to'his' other forms??? does it means different god.. or suffering some kind ofmutiple personality disorder?
Nope... Did you not see that whatever they do, they are all in unity. If you do remember i have told you before that Jesus is sinless. No one is except Him. What is sin? Sin is doing something against God? Did Jesus ever goes against God. Nope because He is doing according to the bidding of God the Father. That is why Jesus said, "I'm one with the Father and Father is one with me".
Multiple personality disorder happens when you have a character different from what you are... for example... a kind person suddenly changes into a totally angry man for no reason. that is multiple personality disorder. Did Jesus shown such behaviors? Nope, if you do, kindly show to me in the bible.
You are say.. after jesus there is no rain???because the 'god' were living with mankind and he don't want to get himselfwet... rite?
Why do you think God dont want to get wet? Did He not created water and rain? If He wanted to be wet, He can. By the way, if you see the ministry of Jesus, never it is ever stated that His ministry is hampered byrain or storm.. But in a ride in the boat on a stormy nite, He commanded thestorm to calm down, and it did.
so.. there IS another supreme being other than jesus.. rite??
Nope, only one supreme being called God. Rain or shine is all in His plan.
now you see the different here..
You kinda miss the point there. Jesus is God in man form, which can take bath, enjoy the refreshing feel in the rain just like we do... Do you think Jesus will curse God because of little rain. And if He did, wont He is no longer be sinless? Think about it.
1.you said,these jesus 'converse' with god the father when decideing to create theuniverse :
are he talking to himselfor... talking to 2nd party??
Well, as i have told you many times, Jesus is God in man form and gave up His power as God. Thus, He talked as a man to God the Father. Just like you and me would do.
See! unekspekted put it in the mathematical form as anything concerns logic is mathematics.
He got blurred at the formula and shoot back the equation as wrong.....
Somehow?
Did i ever said that the math logic is wrong. I did not. I'm just stating that for all forumers to be a person who knows what he is talking, not just babbling on some unproven rumours. That is being wise with your words.
Now let me ask you, when God became Jesus. Is it a time set by man or set by God? Another thing, did not God has appeared many times in the old testaments as man showing that He did do what you have said... And if He chosen to be a man as Jesus, He can do it... Or He cannot?. This is the question you should ask yourself.
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sayng thta this god of yours, he 'choose' the at time of 2000 years ago, whilst 'mankind' are disarray, he come and offering his salvation... compare than these days, why he did not choose to appear in modern ages.. like year 2010??? and sacrifice himself at this age where sins are obvious everywhere???
Nope... Did you not see that whatever they do, they are all in unity. If you do remember i have told you before that Jesus is sinless. No one is except Him. What is sin? Sin is doing something against God? [b]Did Jesus ever goes against God.[/b] Nope because He is doing according to the bidding of God the Father. That is why Jesus said, "I'm one with the Father and Father is one with me".
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come on.. 1st you saying he is god.. now you saying he is agains't god.. 2 person in here.. you means he is against himself??? well.. that's the only verse that in bible point out the 'trinity'.. so much to object wt 1 baseless verse.. just like the other verse saying that it is not only jesus the son of god - so as adam, so as israel and solomon.. now.. how many son did god have??? are you saying that other pages of bible is corrupted for saying that???
Why do you think God dont want to get wet? Did He not created water and rain? If He wanted to be wet, He can. By the way, if you see the ministry of Jesus, never it is ever stated that His ministry is hampered byrain or storm.. But in a ride in the boat on a stormy nite, He commanded thestorm to calm down, and it did.
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hehe.. its a metaphore.. it means.. if, he is a God, the most supreme God, he did not have to suffers all these manly disadvantages of man.. see?? he is a God, a creator, he can make thing out of nothing.. and christian used too much imigination on this
so.. there IS another supreme being other than jesus.. rite??
[b]Nope, only one supreme being called God. Rain or shine is all in His plan[/b].
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ook again my question there... i asked you... is there another supreme beside jesus.. you said not.. but.. you said yes - there is one supreme God. - still, you are confuse with your own tenet.. he is not jesus, he is one God.. another God differs than jesus
You kinda miss the point there. Jesus is God in man form, which can take bath, enjoy the refreshing feel in the rain just like we do... Do you think Jesus will curse God because of little rain. And if He did, wont He is no longer be sinless? Think about it.
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... next time rephrase you statement to - jesus will not curse himself for making rain = thats make much sense than the previous.... but the problem here, he is not making rain.. infact.. he can't make his own cloth.. what kind of god which can't made his own cloth?? come on... he's a cool dude with beard.. that all. if he can be a god, obviously anyman can also be a god.. and for sure, God won't associates himself with any of his creation
Well, as i have told you many times, Jesus is God in man form and gave up His power as God. Thus, He talked as a man to God the Father. Just like you and me would do.
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so you agreed that there is 2 different parties here??? just like you saying that talking just like you and me?? - and we are not the 1.. we are 2 differents body, i can't feel your body itching.. rite??
let us try your theory here :
1 supreme... then choose to become less supreme... what left??? = none supreme
but, in your case here.... 1 supreme.. the choose to become less supreme = become 3 equally supreme... the man god is no good at all >> have to talk to 1 surpeme god above..
come on.. 1st you saying there is only 1.. then 2.. then 3... haiyyahh...
See! unekspekted put it in the mathematical form as anything concerns logic is mathematics.
He got blurred at the formula and shoot back the equation as wrong.....
Somehow?
Pooja Post at 24-1-2010 00:33
i must admitted that anythign concerns logic is mathematic.... its not some magical hocus pocus like some of us tend to pictures the unexplained materials or.. phenomenon..
i still stick to 1+1+1 is 1.. not 3..
and i still stick to man, elephants, monkey or cow can't be god... all of them is shitting.. so.. are you woshipt something is shitting?? of course not..
god the father x god the son jesus x god the holy spirit = 1 god in 3 gods
god the father + god the son jesus + god the holy spirit = 3 gods in 1 god
god the father and god the holy spirit don sh1t or pizz but god the son does. or do you believe god the father and god the holy spirit can sh1t and pizz as well? that's gonna make them man like you and i, right?
i must admitted that anythign concerns logic is mathematic.... its not some magical hocus pocus ...
and i still stick to man, elephants, monkey or cow can't be god... all of them is shitting.. so.. are you woshipt something is shitting?? of course not..
Now let me ask you, when God became Jesus. Is it a time set by man or set by ...
Well, as i have told you many times, Jesus is God in man form and gave up His power as God. Thus, He talked as a man to God the Father. Just like you and me would do.
kompia23 Post at 24-1-2010 14:35
dont think god almighty wanna change himself into man jesus to save mankind. thats gonna make him distrustful of his creations prophets, apostles, disciples etc. that sounds like zeus. can zeus make luv? sure. can god almighty make luv too? with his creation? no blasphemy MR MOD. just SIMPLEfacts and HARDlogics.
when we talk about the Divine essence of Jesus, it is His angelic soul. not about his physical body like Muslim who are "original Christian" wannbes are thinking about. nasrani dan yahudi sentiasa mencemburui kejayaan ummah (i borrowed it from a person I guess his nickname is bishop mydeen in current issues)
lemme rewind while awating intellectually bright ideas.
yahweh is one, allah is one yet christianity god is made to be one or two in one or three in one. as such simple logic gonna say god is one and not 2 in 1 or 3 in 1.
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