injil Barnabas(satu2nya injil yg selari dgn ajaran Rasullulah)

alhaadi2

Originally posted by cronicle86 at 18-5-2008 12:57 PM
byk da di terjemah dah skrg..bahasa indon ada..english lagi la berlambak..

klu x salah kat umah dulu ada Injil Barnaba ni, tapi hilang dah kat mana ntah...dlm BM or Indonesia, x ingat...

narvmarishka

tatau la kan...kita dgr kawan kita cite bahagian old testament tu similar dgn Al-Quran cuma bahagian new testament tu mmg totally lain.....:re:

cronicle86

tu la..biasa org2 dulu baca injil ni..sbb nk paham injil sbnr kn..dulu abah aku yg salu cite pas injil ni dan sorg paderi atau pastor yg pluk islam lepas kaji ngn mendalam injil barnabas ni tp abah aku lupe nama la..tp aku research2..nama die Fra Marino..

[ Last edited by  cronicle86 at 2-6-2008 11:02 PM ]

cronicle86

New Tastement pon ada mention directly nama Muhammad or Ahmad spti Ahmed Deedat cakap..
tp jgn bc ikut omputih nyer Bible..smpy Kiamat tak jumpe..baca yg Hebrew or Aramaic nyer bahasa..mmg aku jumpe nama Muhammad or Ahmad..
jgn terkejut..mmg ni btol2 nyer dalil..

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Dari wikipedia

English : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

Indonesia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

WonBin

Kalau dah si Jesus tu kencing, berak, makan 3 kali sehari, tuhan apa kah itu?
Kalau mcm tu, nenek aku pon boleh ngaku dia tu tuhan.
Tuhan itu ada 99 sifat (at least) dan aku nampak si Jesus ni tak comply pon dengan ciri-ciri seorang tuhan.

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ade tak biodata or kisah tentang Fra Marino ni?

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From wikipedia:

Prediction of Muhammad

The Gospel of Barnabas claims that Jesus predicted the advent of Muhammad, thus conforming with the Qur'an which mentions:
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad. But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, this is evident sorcery!" (Sura 61:6)

(Ahmad is another name of Muhammad.) A Muslim scholarly tradition links this Qur'anic passage to the New Testament references to the Paraclete (John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7). The Greek word "paraclete" can be translated "Counsellor"; and in the Christian tradition, is said to refer to the Holy Spirit. Some Muslim scholars have noted the similarity to the Greek "periklutos" which can be translated as "admirable one"; or in Arabic, "Ahmad".

The name of "Muhammad" is frequently mentioned verbatim in the Gospel of Barnabas, as in the following quote:
"Jesus answered: `The name of the Messiah is admirable, for God himself gave him the name when he had created his soul, and placed it in a celestial splendour. God said: "Wait Mohammed; for thy sake I will to create paradise, the world, and a great multitude of creatures, whereof I make thee a present, insomuch that whoso bless thee shall be blessed, and whoso shall curse thee shall be accursed. When I shall send thee into the world I shall send thee as my messenger of salvation, and thy word shall be true, insomuch that heaven and earth shall fail, but thy faith shall never fail." Mohammed is his blessed name.' Then the crowd lifted up their voices, saying: `O God, send us thy messenger: O Admirable One, come quickly for the salvation of the world!'" Barnabas 97:9-10. The Italian manuscript replaces "Admirable One" with "Muhammad" [3].

However, while there are many passages where the Gospel of Barnabas sets out alternative readings to parallel pericopes found in the canonical gospels, none of the references to Muhammad by name occurs in such a synoptic passage; and in particular, none of the "Muhammad" references in Barnabas corresponds to a "Paraclete" reference in canonical John. There is only one instance where the Gospel of Barnabas might be understood as "correcting" a known canonical pericope, so as to record a prophecy by Jesus of the (unnamed) Messenger of God:
Then Jesus said: "I am a voice that cries through all Judea, and cries: "Prepare you the way for the messenger of the Lord," even as it is written in Esaias." They said: "If you be not the Messiah nor Elijah, or any prophet, wherefore do you preach new doctrine, and make yourself of more account than the Messiah?" Jesus answered: "The miracles which God works by my hands show that I speak that which God wills; nor indeed do I make myself to be accounted as him of whom you speak. For I am not worthy to unloose the ties of the hosen or the ratchets of the shoes of the Messenger of God whom you call "Messiah," who was made before me, and shall come after me, and shall bring the words of truth, so that his faith shall have no end." (Chapter 43):

This passage corresponds closely with the canonical John 1:19-30, except that in that passage, the words are spoken by John the Baptist (in the Qur'an; Yahya ibn Zakariya) and refer to Jesus.

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Muhammad as the Messiah

According to one version of the Gospel of Barnabas:
'Then said the priest: "How shall the Messiah be called?" {Jesus answered} "Muhammed is his blessed name" ' (ch. 97).

and
Jesus confessed, and said the truth: "I am not the Messiah." (ch. 42:2)

As mentioned above, these pronouncements appear to contradict Islamic belief. However, the well-known Muslim debater Ahmed Deedat argues that, since "Messiah" merely means "anointed", it can be attributed to any prophet, and Jesus would have meant Muhammad was anointed by God.

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Ishmaelite Messiah

According to one version of the Gospel of Barnabas, Jesus denied being the Messiah, claiming rather that the Messiah would be Ishmaelite (ie Arab):
"Whereupon Jesus said: 'Ye deceive yourselves; for David in spirit calleth him lord, saying thus: "God said to my lord, sit thou on my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool. God shall send forth thy rod which shall have lordship in the midst of thine enemies." If the messenger of God whom ye call Messiah were son of David, how should David call him lord? Believe me, for verily I say to you, that the promise was made in Ishmael, not in Isaac.'" (Barnabas 43:10)

Hajj Sayed (Senior Member in CIMS), in his new book in Egypt, compares this to the following statement from the canonical Bible:
"What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?" "The son of David," they replied. He said to them, "How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him 'Lord'? For he says, 'The Lord said to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.' If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?" Matthew 22:42-46

According to the canonical Gospels, Jesus was the "son" (descendant) of David; thus, Hajj Sayed argues that this statement confirms the Gospel of Barnabas' point.

The idea of the Messiah as an Arab is also found in another chapter of Gospel of Barnabas:
"If I work iniquity, reprove me, and God will love you, because you shall be doing his will, but if none can reprove me of sin it is a sign that you are not sons of Abraham as you call yourselves, nor are you incorporate with that head wherein Abraham was incorporate. As God lives, so greatly did Abraham love God, that he not only brake in pieces the false idols and forsook his father and mother, but was willing to slay his own son in obedience to God.
The high priest answered: "This I ask of you, and I do not seek to slay you, wherefore tell us: Who was this son of Abraham?" Jesus answered: "The zeal of your honour, O God, inflames me, and I cannot hold my peace. Truly I say, the son of Abraham was Ishmael, from whom must be descended the Messiah promised to Abraham, that in him should all the tribes of the earth be blessed." Then was the high priest wroth, hearing this, and cried out: "Let us stone this impious fellow, for he is an Ishmaelite, and has spoken blasphemy against Moses and against the Law of God." (Barnabas 208:1-2)

Here, one version of the Gospel of Barnabas also quotes Jesus as saying that the sacrificed son of Abraham was Ishmael not Isaac, conforming to Islamic belief but disagreeing with Jewish and Christian belief. A connection might also be drawn between the last paragraph's statement that "in him should all the tribes of the earth be blessed", and the meaning of the name "Muhammad", the "Praised (or Blessed) One". (Cf.Life of Prophet Muhammad).

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From wikipedia:

Jesus not God or Son of God

According to the Gospel of Barnabas, Jesus foresaw and rejected his own deification:
And having said this, Jesus smote his face with both his hands, and then smote the ground with his head. And having raised his head, he said: "Cursed be every one who shall insert into my sayings that I am the son of God" (53:6)
And having said this Jesus went out of the Temple. And the common people magnified him, for they brought all the sick folk whom they could gather together, and Jesus having made prayer gave to all their health: whereupon on that day in Jerusalem the Roman soldiery, by the working of Satan, began to stir up the common people, saying that Jesus was the God of Israel, who was come to visit his people." (69:6)
Jesus answered: "And you; what say you that I am?" Peter answered: "You are Christ, son of God". Then was Jesus angry, and with anger rebuked him, saying: "Begone and depart from me, because you are the devil and seek to cause me offences" (70:1)
Jesus said again: "I confess before heaven, and call to witness everything that dwells upon the earth, that I am a stranger to all that men have said of me, to wit, that I am more than man. For I am a man, born of a woman, subject to the judgment of God; that live here like as other men, subject to the common miseries" (94:1)
Then answered the priest, with the governor and the king, saying: "Distress not yourself, O Jesus, holy one of God, because in our time shall not this sedition be any more, seeing that we will write to the sacred Roman senate in such wise that by imperial decree none shall any more call you God or son of God." Then Jesus said: "With your words I am not consoled, because where you hope for light darkness shall come; but my consolation is in the coming of the Messenger, who shall destroy every false opinion of me, and his faith shall spread and shall take hold of the whole world, for so has God promised to Abraham our father." (97:1)

This conforms entirely with Muslim belief, according to which Jesus is a human and a prophet. According to some ahadith, he will come back to earth in the future and declare to the world that he is "a Servant of God". According to Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki in his audio lessons Lives of the Prophets, the first thing that prophet Jesus said when he was in the cradle "I am a servant of God", and the first thing that Jesus will say when he will come back to earth will be the same "I am a servant of God". According to the Qur'an:
At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle? He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah (God). He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live; (He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah (God) that He beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.

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Other non-canonical differences

According to the following quote, Jesus talked to Barnabas and gave him a "secret":
Jesus, weeping, said: "O Barnabas, it is necessary that I should reveal to you great secrets, which, after that I shall be departed from the world, you shall reveal to it." Then answered he that writes, weeping, and said: "Suffer me to weep, O master, and other men also, for that we are sinners. And you, that are a holy one and prophet of God, it is not fitting for you to weep so much."
Jesus answered: "Believe me, Barnabas that I cannot weep as much as I ought. For if men had not called me God, I should have seen God here as he will be seen in paradise, and should have been safe not to fear the day of judgment. But God knows that I am innocent, because never have I harboured thought to be held more than a poor slave. No, I tell you that if I had not been called God I should have been carried into paradise when I shall depart from the world, whereas now I shall not go thither until the judgment. Now you see if I have cause to weep.
Know, O Barnabas, that for this I must have great persecution, and shall be sold by one of my disciples for thirty pieces of money. Whereupon I am sure that he who shall sell me shall be slain in my name, for that God shall take me up from the earth, and shall change the appearance of the traitor so that every one shall believe him to be me; nevertheless, when he dies an evil death, I shall abide in that dishonour for a long time in the world. But when Muhammad shall come, the sacred Messenger of God, that infamy shall be taken away. And this shall God do because I have confessed the truth of the Messiah who shall give me this reward, that I shall be known to be alive and to be a stranger to that death of infamy."

Also according to GoB, Jesus charged Barnabas to write the gospel:
Jesus turned himself to him who writes, and said: "Barnabas, see that by all means you write my gospel concerning all that has happened through my dwelling in the world. And write in a similar manner that which has befallen Judas, in order that the faithful may be undeceived, and every one may believe the truth."

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page mendep!

rurouni_khairul

Yup...satu yang buat umat Islam sangsi dengan dogma Kristianiti dan triniti adalah kerana ajaran Kristian yang ada pada masa kini dibawa oleh Paul kepada Gentiles (orang bukan Yahudi)

Jika benarlah ajaran Nabi Isa Alaihisalam ini ditujukan untuk semua umat manusia, dah tentulah para hawari-hawari (sahabat-sahabat nabi Isa a.s. yang setia menemani beliau) akan menyebarkan ajaran ini ke seluruh pelusuk benua sepertimana yang dilakukan oleh para sabahat Rasullulah SAW. Tetapi para hawari tidak menyebarkannya pada gentiles tetapi setakat kaum Yahudi saja...Mengapa?

Siapa Paul nie yang memandai-mandai menyebarkan ajaran suci Nabi Isa a.s. kepada bukan Yahudi? Adakah ia atas perintah Nabi Isa a.s. sendiri?

rurouni_khairul

Sepatutnye tak jadi isu....Bangsa Arab adalah bretheren kepada bangsa Yahudi...moyang mereka adalah adik beradik dengan bapa yang sama iaitu Nabi Ibrahim a.s.

Berbalik pada isu Barnabas, kalau ko penah tengok filem The Da Vinci Code, ia cuba memberi mesej iaitu jikalau lah kisah Jesus (Isa a.s.) yang dianggap sebagai tuhan oleh Paul terbongkar dan terbukti Isa a.s. hanyalah manusia biasa, maka agama Kristian merupakan pembohongan terbesar dalam sejarah umat manusia dan penipuan Paul telah berjaya menipu berbilion umat manusia seluruh dunia pada hari ini dengan menyatakan seorang manusia biasa yang dimuliakan menjadi pesuruh Allah sebagai Allah itu sendiri!

WonBin

Sesungguhnya agama Kristian ditujukan khas untuk kaum Jesus sahaja. Bukan untuk seluruh alam seperti agama Muhammad.

Maka dengan itu, kaum mata sepet, kaum yang hitam mcm kuali, kenapa masuk Kristian? Itu bukan untuk kamu. Tak payah nak perasan

gunblade712

injil barnabas..

encik barnabas ni pernah bersua muka dengan Isa a.s ke?

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berkemungkinan besar, sbb barnabas ni diiktiraf sebagai salah seorang daripada 12 hawari, pengikut nabi isa..

Jesus said, "Know, O Barnabas, that for this I must have great persecution, and shall be sold by one of my disciples for thirty pieces of money. Whereupon I am sure that he who shall sell me shall be slain in my name, for that God shall take me up from the earth, and shall change the appearance of the traitor so that every one shall believe him to be me; nevertheless, when he dies an evil death, I shall abide in that dishonour for a long time in the world. But when Muhammad shall come, the sacred Messenger of God, that infamy shall be taken away. And this shall God do because I have confessed the truth of the Messiah who shall give me this reward, that I shall be known to be alive and to be a stranger to that death of infamy."

migdal_bavel

cronicle86: New Tastement pon ada mention directly nama Muhammad or Ahmad spti Ahmed Deedat cakap..
tp jgn bc ikut omputih nyer Bible..smpy Kiamat tak jumpe..baca yg Hebrew or Aramaic nyer bahasa..mmg aku jumpe nama Muhammad or Ahmad..
jgn terkejut..mmg ni btol2 nyer dalil..

Bleh tunjukkan ayat yg ad muhammad tu, sebab ak seorang penutur Ibrani dan Suryani

rurouni_khairul: Yup...satu yang buat umat Islam sangsi dengan dogma Kristianiti dan triniti adalah kerana ajaran Kristian yang ada pada masa kini dibawa oleh Paul kepada Gentiles (orang bukan Yahudi)

Siapa Paul nie yang memandai-mandai menyebarkan ajaran suci Nabi Isaa.s. kepada bukan Yahudi? Adakah ia atas perintah Nabi Isa a.s. sendiri?

dia adalah Yahudi tulen

nama Yahudinya ialah Shaul tapi dia adalah Yahudi Yunani yg membesar di Tarsus (sebuah kota Yunani di Turkey) maka digelar Paul megikut nama Yunaninya

sebab itu dia dikenali sebagai Shaul HaTarsi atau Paul of Tarsus

Paul adalah mulanya seorang Yahudi bermazhab Perushim (Pharisee iaitu mazhab yang menjadi tunjang kpd agama Yahudi sekarang)

nama dia wujud dalam kitab2 Yahudi (bukan kitab agama) sebagai seorang yang pada mulanya adalah
amat bencikan mazhab yg kaum keluarga jesus dan hawariyun anuti (Ebyonim) iaitu mazhab utk orang2 Yahudi yg papa kedana

Ebyonim (Ebionites) inilah yang digelar Netzarim (Nasrani) pada kemudiannya yakni setelah majoriti daripada mereka menganuti ajaran jesus

tentang bagaimana paul tiba2 berubah pendirian dan mula menganuti ajaran jesus yg tu, ak rs orang2 xtian lebih arif sebab ini adalah berkaitan dgn
agama mereka

kita tak boleh memandai2 dlm agama mereka samalah x ad sesiapa yg boleh memandai2 dlm agama2 kita

[ Last edited by  migdal_bavel at 21-5-2008 01:59 PM ]

rurouni_khairul

Setuju dengan Migdal...tapi cam RK nyatakan sebelum nie, adalah tak masuk akal jika Hawari-hawari yang original tak penah berusaha untuk menyebarkan ajaran Nabi Isa a.s. tetapi Paul (Shaul) yang pada mulanya membenci kemudian mengagung-agungkan Isa a.s. yang menyebarkan ajaran Isa a.s. kepada golongan Gentiles hingga wujudnya satu agama baru...apakah motif beliau? Mengapakah sehingga begitu taksub dan kagumnya beliau dengan Isa a.s. hingga sanggup menggelarkannya 'Anak Allah'?

Pada pendapat Migdal, adakah ajaran yang dibawa oleh Isa a.s. sebahagian dari Judaism atau sebuah agama baru?

rurouni_khairul

Originally posted by gunblade712 at 21-5-2008 09:38 AM
injil barnabas..

encik barnabas ni pernah bersua muka dengan Isa a.s ke?

Barnabas ini dikatakan salah sorang dari 12 original Hawari. St Paul yang langsung tak pernah bertemu dengan Nabi Isa a.s. sepanjang hayatnya...(tapi die claim jumpe ruh Isa a.s. Walahualam)

migdal_bavel

ajaran yg dianuti jesus dan keluarga serta sahabat2nya dahulu (Ebiyoni) adalah sebahagian drpd ajaran Judaism tetapi ajaran Xtianity yg diasasnya kini adalah sebuah agama baru

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionite