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AirAsia flight's behaviour 'on the edge of logic'
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January 1, 2015 - 5:02PM
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Indonesian soldiers carry coffins containing victims of the AirAsia crash at the Indonesian Air Force Military Base, Surabaya.
Indonesian soldiers carry coffins containing victims of the AirAsia crash at the Indonesian Air Force Military Base, Surabaya. Photo: Getty Images
First victim positively identified as Surabaya teacher
Divers prepare to enter AirAsia wreck
Bodies recovered as bad weather hampers search
Debris found by village fisherman
The people on board the flight
The AirAsia jet in which 162 people lost their lives this week behaved in ways "bordering on the edge of logic" according to Indonesian aviation analyst Gerry Soejatman citing leaked information from the air crash investigation team.
The Airbus 320-200 climbed in a way that was impossible to achieve by the pilot, adding that it subsequently "didn't fall out of the sky like an aeroplane", he told Fairfax Media.
Indonesian navy divers prepare to search the site of the AirAsia crash on January 1.
Indonesian navy divers prepare to search the site of the AirAsia crash on January 1. Photo: AP
"It was like a piece of metal being thrown down. It's really hard to comprehend … The way it goes down is bordering on the edge of logic".
But Australian aviation expert, Peter Marosszeky, from the University of NSW, disputed some of the figures cited, saying the descent figures particularly were "highly unlikely".
Mr Soejatman said that at least as baffling was "the extremely low ground speed" which was as low as 61 knots during the descent. This would suggest the plane was heading almost straight down, explaining why it was found in the water just 10km from its last point of radar contact.
Leaked information on AirAsia flight QZ8501 from the air crash investigation team, provided by Indonesian aviation analyst Gerry Soejatman.
Leaked information on AirAsia flight QZ8501 from the air crash investigation team, provided by Indonesian aviation analyst Gerry Soejatman.
The new claims lend weight to the impression that the plane was subject to extraordinary forces from the weather. AirAsia chief executive Tony Fernandes said earlier this week that preliminary investigations suggested the jet encountered "very unique" weather on its flight last Sunday morning from Surabaya to Singapore.
Mr Soejatman, a respected analyst in Indonesia, said the extremity of the forces on the plane meant the "black box" flight recorder would be of less use in explaining what happened than forensic examination of the pieces of wreckage currently lying in about 50m of water in the Karimata Strait between Borneo and the Belitung Islands off Sumatra.
"We are fortunate that it crashed in shallow water so we can find physical evidence outside the black box. It puts great emphasis on the importance of recovering pieces of the wreckage," he said.
Navy and search and rescue divers were at the scene for the first time on Thursday.
Mr Soejatman said the plane was equipped with a Mode S radar, a relatively new piece of equipment which sends more comprehensive information, in real time, from aircraft to ground.
Leaked figures show the plane climbed at a virtually unprecedented rate of 6000 to 9000 feet per minute, and "you can't do that at altitude in an Airbus 320 with pilot action".
The most that could normally be expected would be 1000 to 1500 feet on a sustained basis, with up to 3000 feet in a burst, he said.
The plane then fell at an even more incredible rate: 11,000 feet per minute with bursts of up to 24,000 feet per minute.
He said the Air France A330 Airbus that crashed in 2009 killing 228 passengers also reached dizzying ascent and descent rates, but some of the figures cited by Mr Soejatman are higher.
"We can't rule out that the data is wrong," he said, but added that they came from the aircraft itself, transmitted over the Mode S radar.
As for an explanation, he said it was a "mystery".
"One possibility is a strong updraft followed by strong ground draft, or structural failure of the aircraft."
Mr Marosszeky, a Research Fellow at the University of NSW School of Aviation, said a climb rate of 6000 feet per minute would indicate "a severe weather event", because that rate of climb was "a domain for jet fighters". It was possible at this height in the tropics, he said.
He said the black box flight recorder would still provide investigators with "very useful data", and that it was unlikely that the Mode S radar would give misreadings.
He was sceptical, however, that the figure cited of up to 24,000 feet per minute descent was possible, saying that terminal velocity is nowhere near that speed.
In the Air France case, an investigation revealed that pilot error had compounded difficult weather conditions to cause the crash.
In the AirAsia case, Captain Iriyanto, the pilot, was a respected former airforce pilot and pilot trainer with 23,000 hours flying experience, 6000 of them for AirAsia. His plane was six years old and had last been through routine maintenance in November.
AirAsia chief executive Tony Fernandes said earlier this week he had "full confidence in my fleet and crew". Without giving details, he steered blame towards the weather, saying his airline would continue business as usual, but suggesting that climate change was making weather worse and flying riskier, particularly in the tropics.
baharu akak tahu siapa kah gerangan mandala499 selama ini. https://twitter.com/gerrys
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Kalau ombak cuaca x elok. Boleh x amik mayat ni pakai jala. Leh amek sekali gus.. dari mayat tenggelam hanyut hilang ke mana. Better tangkap je guna jala.. setuju x |
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AirAsia QZ8501 Crash Blamed on Pilots; Aviation Expert Says They Plotted 'Dangerous Flight Plan'
By Johnlee Varghese December 30, 2014 18:12 IST
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/airasia ... -flight-plan-618766
With search workers locating the bodies and debris of the crashed AirAsia flight QZ8501, the focus has now shifted to finding the cause of the mishap. According to an Australian aviation expert, an error of judgment on the pilot's end caused the plane to crash.
Australian aviation expert Neil Hansford has claimed that it was human error that led to the disappearance of AirAsia flight QZ8501 as the pilots flew the plane directly into a notorious danger zone above the Java Sea.
Hansford told the local news channels in Australia that it was either the Indonesian captain or French first officer, who plotted a "dangerous flight plan", Xinhua news agency reported (via New Strait Times).
His comments have caused uproar on social media, with many saying that his statement was not just 'racist' but also 'patently ill-informed'.
Hansford, making his argument against the AirAsia pilots, stated that the route taken by flight QZ8501 was one that even veteran pilots dread as the area where the plane is believed to have gone down was deemed 'dangerous' and hence no one would fly through it.
"They call it the 'thunderstorm factory'. You plan to go around it, you don't plan to go through it," Hansford reportedly said.
He further stated that the flight plan was the fatal error made by the pilots. "Whoever did the flight plan -- we don't know whether it was the French first officer or the captain himself..."
"Whether they read the meteorology right they were given in Surubaya... And how well did they communicate? One whose basic language is Bahasa and the other guy's basic language is French."
Hansford concluded by emphatically saying it was the pilot's error. "I've said all along it was never going to be engineering (error)," he said.
While the speculations are already on, the investigators looking into the AirAsia flight 8501 crash will have to wait till the black box is recovered and the final moments are analysed to conclude the real cause of accident.
Captain Iriyanto, the pilot of the ill-fated plane was a former Indonesian air-force fighter pilot with more than 20,537 flying hours, of which 6,100 were on Indonesia AirAsia Airbus A320s. His co-pilot was Remi Emmanuel Plesel, a French citizen who gained his pilot's licence at age 42 and had 2,275 hours on the Airbus A320.
A Globe and Mail report noted that as a standard practise, usually, one pilot flies a flight segment while another operates the radios and communicates with air-traffic control. It's not yet known which pilot was handling the flight in its final moments just before the crash.
On Tuesday evening, the Indonesian Search and Rescue Agency that is working with several other countries, located bodies, along with debris, in the Java Sea, where AirAsia Flight 8501 vanished three days ago.
The bodies were spotted 6 miles from the plane's last communications with air-traffic control. Reports claim that over 40 bodies have been retrieved from the sea, and the number is growing. The chances of survivors is said to be virtually nil. |
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ngerinya bila dibayangkan...
Stricken AirAsia plane soared 'as fast as a fighter jet' and then dropped almost vertically into Java Sea as if being thrust down by a giant hand, crash experts revealed today
The AirAsia jet which plunged into the Java Sea rose up as fast as a fighter jet and then dropped almost vertically into the water as if being thrust down by a giant hand, crash experts agreed today.
Their conclusion is that the Airbus 320-200 was in the grip of weather so freakishly extreme that there was nothing the pilots could have done to save the jet and all 162 people on board.
The plane behaved in ways ‘bordering on the edge of logic,’ Indonesian aviation analyst Gerry Soejatman said after examining figures leaked from the official air crash investigation team.
He said the jet climbed at a speed that would have been impossible for the pilot to have achieved - and then plunged straight down ‘like a piece of metal being thrown down.'
‘It’s really hard to comprehend…the way it goes down is bordering on the edge of logic.’
Australian aviation expert, Peter Marosszeky, from the University of NSW, told the Sydney Morning Herald that, in contrast, he was baffled by the extremely low speed of the descent - as low as 61 knots - which would suggest the plane was heading almost straight down, explaining why it has been found in water just 10km from its last point of radar contact.
Both experts are in agreement that the jet went down almost vertically - and also concluded that a freak weather pattern that placed the aircraft under extraordinary forces was to blame for its plight.
Earlier in the week, AirAsia chief executive Tony Fernandes - who vowed today to fly home with the body of 22-year-old stewardess Khairunnisada Haidar once she has been formally identified - suggested the jet had encountered ‘very unique weather.’
Mr Soejatman meanwhile remains convinced that the reason for the crash, while officially a mystery, is possibly because the aircraft was caught in a severe updraft, followed by an equally severe ground draft.
He said that leaked figures showed the plane climbed at a virtually unprecedented rate of 6000ft to 9000ft per minute and ‘you can’t do that at altitude in an Airbus 320 with pilot action.’
The most that could normally be expected, he said, would be 1000ft to 1500ft on a sustained basis, gaining 3000ft in a burst.
But then the aircraft fell at an even more incredible rate of 11,000ft a minute, with extraordinary bursts of up to 24,000ft a minute - figures higher than the Air France A330 Airbus that crashed into the Atlantic in 2009, killing 228 passengers after attaining baffling ascent and descent rates.
Mr Marosszeky agreed that a climb rate of at least 6000ft a minute would indicate a ‘severe weather event,’ because that rate of climb was a ‘domain for jet fighters.’
In a fascinating, yet worrying, comment earlier in the week, Mr Fernandes suggested that climate change was making weather worse and flying riskier, particularly in the tropics.
Meanwhile today Mr Fernandes promised that he would fly with the family of flight QZ8501 and the body of stewardess Ms Khairunnisa to her home town in Palembang, Indonesia, once her body has been positively identified.
The body of one of the two stewardesses, still in her red AirAsia uniform, has been recovered.
In a Tweet today, Mr Fernandes said that ‘if our beautiful and wonderful crew (member) is identified, we will go from Surabaya to Palembang with her parents. Heartbreaking soul (destroyed).’
Ms Khairunnisa’s father, Mr Haidar Fauzie, told The Star newspaper of Malaysia that he hoped the body found in a flight attendant’s uniform was that of his daughter so that he could lay her to rest.
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jikalau ikut artikel itu, unusual forces/weather yg bring down the plane.
segala data cara pesawat itu menaik dan menurun sampai hilang defy logic sesuatu pesawat.
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"Whether they read the meteorology right they were given in Surubaya... And how well did they communicate? One whose basic language is Bahasa and the other guy's basic language is French."
bodo nya so called aviation expert ni... dah tentu derang berkomunikasi dlm bahasa inggeris. who knows, the french pilot mungkin tahu berbahasa indo dan capt. iriyanto boleh berbahasa perancis. senang betul kerja menuduh org yg dah takda, yg tak mampu utk defend diri mereka sendirik.
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Aku ada komen dr tulisan mamat samdol Aussie ni. Takkan sorang French ckp French & sorang Jawa ckp Jawa dlm cockpit. Nak salahkan captain bulat2 pun gunalah akal klu bg komen.
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AirAsia Flight QZ8501: Pilot made emergency water landing, but plane sunk by waves?
As search teams hunt for the black boxes of AirAsia Flight QZ8501, analysts say the pilot may have managed to make an emergency water landing, only for the plane to be overcome by high seas.
The Airbus A320-200 left the Indonesian city of Surabaya early Sunday and disappeared from radar over the Java Sea during a storm, but it failed to send the transmissions normally emitted when a plane crashes or is submerged.
Experts say this suggests the experienced former air force pilot, Captain Iriyanto, conducted an emergency water landing which did not have a destructive impact.
"The emergency locator transmitter (ELT) would work on impact, be that land, sea or the sides of a mountain, and my analysis is it didn't work because there was no major impact during landing," said Dudi Sudibyo, a senior editor of aviation magazine Angkasa.
"The pilot managed to land it on the sea's surface," he added.
The plane, carrying 162 people to Singapore, was cruising at a height of 32,000 feet when the pilot requested a change of course to avoid storms.
Although permission was granted to turn left, the pilot was not immediately allowed to ascend owing to heavy air traffic, and the plane disappeared from radar soon afterwards.
Some analysts have suggested the plane stalled because it was travelling too slowly or climbed too steeply. It is unclear why there was no mayday distress signal from the cockpit.
Indonesia's search team scoured the sea for more than 48 hours before the first debris was spotted off the island of Borneo after a tip-off from fishermen.
So far the search team has found eight bodies which appear to be intact.
"The conclusions I have come to so far are that the plane did not blow up mid-air, and it did not suffer an impact when it hit a surface, because if it did so then the bodies would not be intact," Chappy Hakim, a former air force commander, told AFP.
The fuselage is also thought to be largely intact after aerial searchers saw a "shadow" on the seabed, where operations are now being focused.
An emergency exit door and an inflatable slide were among the first items recovered by the search team, suggesting the first passengers may have started the evacuation process once the plane landed on water. Former transport minister Jusman Syafii Djamal was convinced the discovery of the floating exit door meant "someone had opened it".
Passengers may have been waiting for a flight attendant to inflate a life raft when a high wave hit the nose and sank the plane, Djamal added.
"High waves may have hit the plane, the nose, and sunk the plane."
Flight safety standards require that all passengers can be evacuated from a plane in 90 seconds.
The cause and more details of the crash will remain unclear until investigators find the all-important black boxes, which will answer questions such as why the underwater locator beacon did not work.
Experts from France and Singapore have joined Indonesian transport safety investigators in their hunt for wreckage of the plane operated by AirAsia Indonesia, a unit of Malaysia-based AirAsia which previously had a good safety record.
If found, the cockpit voice recorder should detail the conversations of the pilots for the whole of the short flight and reveal their last moments.
"We can only find out from the black box," said Sudibyo.
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kan, dasar kokesen bodow, dahla racist... baru keluar dr gua mana entah, tuptup bg teori bangsat.
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Final Photo Shows AirAsia Flight QZ8501 Passenger Minutes Before Takeoff
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/ne ... ews-ux-1280-800.jpg
SURABAYA, Indonesia — A passenger aboard the crashed AirAsia flight took a photo inside the plane and sent it to a friend just minutes before takeoff. The image shows Hendra Gunawan, a 23-year-old Indonesian, and three friends as they prepared to fly from the city of Surabaya to Singapore on Sunday for a vacation. The image was sent to a friend and later passed along to Gunawan's father, Yosef Samara. Speaking to NBC News in Surabaya on Thursday, Samara described his son as "a cheerful guy" and "a hard-working ... easy going person."
Looking to what was likely the last photo of his son, he said he had to "face the fact that this airplane has crashed." Rescuers have recovered seven bodies among debris confirmed as coming from Flight QZ8501 in the Java Sea off Borneo. Bad weather has hampered efforts to investigate an object believed to be the wreckage aircraft on the seabed.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline ... tes-takeoff-n277941 |
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Klu ada juga umat yg percaya psl selalunya umat kita ni asal kokesen bg dia punya analisis ramai yg anggap semua tu benar, aku tak tau nak ckp apa. Racist sgt dan prejudice statement dia tu. Elok ksh hammer sikit kat link artikel tu. Kurang ajar punya kokesen keturunan hamba abdi ni. Tak sedar diri.
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keturunan penjenayah buangan tak kesah lah kan, nak bagi teori ke apa... biarlah logik sikit. nih apa pulak kaitan bahasa/bangsa dgn nahas ni. nampak nau kokesen ni memandang rendah dgn kemampuan pilot asia dan kulit hitam. dulu pilot mh370 dan mh17 pun jd kambing hitam gak esp. dlm media barat. |
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Dia assume English bukan requirement untuk jadi pilot Air Asia kot. Macam mana la pilot tu communicate dalam bahasa jawa & perancis dengan ATC di Changi....  |
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Kokesen ni eksyen saja lebih. Org kita pun aku pelik, sembah sujud klu ada kokesen dtg. Tak kuasa aku. Ingat suma kokesen tu standard ke?? Ada gak yg PPRT sgt. Lbh jakun dari org kita. Pandang rendah dgn our ability dan capability. Tak dpt cara kasar dgn cara lembut durang nak kenakan. Bangang.
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Dia ingat kat sini kena ckp Jawa klu communicate dgn Control Tower. Agaknya selama ni dia dok dlm hutan. Tak tau perkembangan semasa dunia.
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Post time 1-1-2015 11:32 PM
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Aku rasa maksud dia tu slang kot, satu slang jawa satu slang franch, memang dedua speaking english.
Contoh, cuba dengar org india speaking especially memang asal india, perghhh perlukan stamina yg tinggi untuk paham apa diorang cakap.
Aku pernah call helpdesk HP, yg angkat helpdesk negara india, memang azab nak paham. |
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Selama blackbox belum dibaca, ramai lah expert dan yang mengaku expert berspekulasi sebab musabab pesawat jatuh... |
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tapi explanasi dari gerry soejatman adalah berdasarkan dari data mode-s.
Mr Soejatman said the plane was equipped with a Mode S radar, a relatively new piece of equipment which sends more comprehensive information, in real time, from aircraft to ground.
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kalau letak malaysian dengan indon dalam satu cockpit pun boleh ada miscom.
as ridiculous as it sounds, miscom happens in many forms. so bukan mustahil.
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Tubuh jenazah penumpang AirAsiaQZ8501 diperkirakan dalam waktu lebih dari tiga hari akan tenggelam ke dasar laut. Kondisi itu menjadi tantangan tersendiri bagi Basarnas untuk mempercepat proses evakuasi. Seluruh kekuatan besok akan dikerahkan secara maksimal, bersama armada bantuan dari negara tetangga. |
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