LOL , you made the claim by referencing to Ali Sina's article. I asked for proof. Why are you asking me to contact him or whatever he is (as we don't know what this entity actually is)? You made a claim , it is your responsibilty to provide the evidence. Unless you don't have any which is the case here. You don't have any evidence ... do you?
LOL another 2 sloppy videos.
In the first , Dr Naik stated that a muslim who terrorise a terrorist can be a terrorist as the person strike terror in a terrorist. What is wrong with such a sentence? He did not say a person must be a terrorist.
In the second video , there are 2 things that makes the Christian claim that the comforter is the holy spirit not accurate
(1) The comforter would only come when Jesus goes away. The so called holy spirit was already around before Jesus was born and when Jesus was around , you know lah the bird like creature that desended on Jesus (luk3:22) .... BTW is the holy spirit a bird? How can the comforter be the holy spirit as Jesus stated that the comforter would only come when he goes away.
(2) The comforther would glorify Jesus. Prophet Muhammad(saw) glorified Prophet Eesa(as) (or to you Jesus). We muslims glorify Prophet Eesa(as) (or Jesus to you). The Quran mention Prophet Eesa(as) (Jesus to you) numerous times and it is an article of faith for us muslims to believe in Prophet Eesa(as) (Jesus to you). Can you now show me where in the bible the Holy Spirit glorify Jesus? The holy spirit ni burung aje (luk3:22) .... terbang sini dan sana
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
Holy SPIRIT can't be the SPIRIT of islam, Bible says without Holy SPIRIT no one can confess JESUS is LORD, if Muslims would have Holy SPIRIT than they would surely confess JESUS as LORD.....
Truth.8 replied at 6-5-2016 04:57 PM
Holy SPIRIT can't be the SPIRIT of islam, Bible says without Holy SPIRIT no one can confess JESUS is LORD, if Muslims would have Holy SPIRIT than they would surely confess JESUS as LORD.....
Ha ha , I have caught you trying to pull a fast one. No where in the bible Jesus is referred being LORD Jesus. The lordship title is always lord Jesus (not L-O-R-D). If it is in capitals , it means God , however in this case it is just a title bestowed to teacher , rabbi , pious man etc. Why are you trying to lie your way thru?
Why do you only copy paste videos and not provide your own argument. Do you understand the issue on hand? Appears that you do not have a hold on the said issue.
Why is it you understand that the 'holy spirit' in this case means spirit but not a person as a person is made up of the physical being and the spirit. Refer to joh14:16 (NIV)
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—
We all know Jesus has been identified being a paraclete (comforter). This verse states of another comforter or advocate or paraclete. This means it must be a person not the holy spirit of which you christians believe. Some Christian scholars also identify this paraclete to be a person
In John’s Farewell Discourses, the Holy Spirit is not merely an impersonal power but an Agent of God who comes to replace Jesus, the first Paraclete (14:26), and con­tinues the work initiated by Him. This means that the Paraclete compares to Jesus in personality and activity. Also, the Paraclete is not the glorified Jesus Himself, but the Oneness between Both, which is similar to the Oneness that exists between the Father and the Son (10:30; 14:9), and Jesus’ attested the statement that He Himself would come back in the person of the Paraclete (14:18). So, “the Paraclete is the presence of Jesus when Jesus is absent.”18
The cumulative evidence of Scripture indicates that the Holy Spirit is a divine Person.
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
Like I stated , the holy spirit was already around before and when Jesus was around. This verse disqualify the holy spirit being the comforter.
To test the conclusion is very simple. It is in joh16:13-14
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
Prophet Muhammad(saw) was illiterate , therefore he only spoke of what he hears. Prophet Muhammad(saw) glorified Prophet Eesa(as) (Jesus to you ). He acknowledge that Prophet Eesa(as) (Jesus to you) was one of Allah mightiest messengers and of virgin birth.
LOL , I do think you have been cornered lah tambi. Jawab tambi .... jawab .....
(BTW some of the arguments I copied from Ahmad Deedat which I know would drive you crazy)
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
Taqiya in action ! as usual sam , zakir and other muslims...
Why Mohammed was not the Comforter Promised by Jesus...
Muslims have been told that Jesus predicted the coming of Mohammad. If one looks at the context of what Jesus said, one can see that he meant someone else.
Muslims are told that the Comforter to come that Jesus promised was Mohammad. Let us see what Jesus really said.
Who is the Comforter that Jesus promised?
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Summary of this part:
1. the Comforter will abide with them “forever.” Mohammad did not live then, and could not do this – be with them. Now that he has come and gone, he is not with anyone forever.
2. The Comforter is the Holy Ghost, not a man, who will “teach all things.” No man knows “all things,” only God.
3. The Comforter is a Spirit of Truth. Mohammad was a man, not a spirit.
4. Jesus had to leave so that the Comforter could come. That implied he was coming soon after Jesus left. Also, Jesus said that HE was sending the Comforter. Mohammad never claimed that Jesus sent him.
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The disciples are to wait for the “promise” in Jerusalem.
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I [Jesus] send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he [Jesus] was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Summary of this part:
1. The “coming” of the Comforter occurred in Jerusalem. That is not where Mohammad was when he felt “called.”
2. The disciples were waiting and expecting the Comforter in about 33 AD. They could not wait until the 500s AD for Mohammad, because they could not live that long.
3. The promise would give them power.
When did the Comforter come?
Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Summary of this part:
1. Jesus died at Passover. He appeared after his resurrection 3 days later, and was with them about 30 days. He then ascended into heaven. Pentecost occurs about 45 days after Passover.
2. The disciples were given the power of the Holy Ghost.
Mohammad, again, could not have come at this time, and he gave no supernatural power to anyone.
The Promise of the Comforter was fulfilled 2000 years ago when the Holy Spirit came to the disciples in Jerusalem.
Conclusion : Muslims and zakir use Taqiya to protect their religion.
Why Mohammed was not the Comforter Promised by Jesus...
Muslims have been told that Jesus predicted the coming of Mohammad. If one looks at the context of what Jesus said, one can see that he meant someone else.
Muslims are told that the Comforter to come that Jesus promised was Mohammad. Let us see what Jesus really said.
Who is the Comforter that Jesus promised?
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me:
Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Summary of this part:
1. the Comforter will abide with them “forever.” Mohammad did not live then, and could not do this – be with them. Now that he has come and gone, he is not with anyone forever.
2. The Comforter is the Holy Ghost, not a man, who will “teach all things.” No man knows “all things,” only God.
3. The Comforter is a Spirit of Truth. Mohammad was a man, not a spirit.
4. Jesus had to leave so that the Comforter could come. That implied he was coming soon after Jesus left. Also, Jesus said that HE was sending the Comforter. Mohammad never claimed that Jesus sent him.
–
The disciples are to wait for the “promise” in Jerusalem.
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I [Jesus] send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Luk 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he [Jesus] was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
Summary of this part:
1. The “coming” of the Comforter occurred in Jerusalem. That is not where Mohammad was when he felt “called.”
2. The disciples were waiting and expecting the Comforter in about 33 AD. They could not wait until the 500s AD for Mohammad, because they could not live that long.
3. The promise would give them power.
When did the Comforter come?
Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Summary of this part:
1. Jesus died at Passover. He appeared after his resurrection 3 days later, and was with them about 30 days. He then ascended into heaven. Pentecost occurs about 45 days after Passover.
2. The disciples were given the power of the Holy Ghost.
Mohammad, again, could not have come at this time, and he gave no supernatural power to anyone.
The Promise of the Comforter was fulfilled 2000 years ago when the Holy Spirit came to the disciples in Jerusalem.
Conclusion : Muslims and zakir use Taqiya to protect their religion.
Aiyoyo tambi , why so scared to answer the questions?
(1) Jesus stated and you agreed that he must go before the comforter comes. Then it cannot be the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit was already around before and when Jesus was alive. Why do you still insist it is the Holy Spirit? Can you explain
(2) If you read the verse carefully ,'all things' are what Jesus have taught.
(3) Like I stated , man is of 2 portions , physical body and the spirit that comes from God. Therefore when it is stated that the spirit , it can also mean the person of the unique spirit that comes along. Teaching all things and abide forever means the teaching would be forever , not the physical person
A simple test :
joh16:13-14
13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you.
1joh4:2-3
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
I have already given you the interpretation of joh16:13-14 in my previous post.
Prophet Muhammad(saw) and muslims recognise and acknowledge that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Whereas Christians like you under the influence of the Holy Spirit recognise and acknowledge Jesus Christ and him also being God has come in the flesh.
Therefore the one who passed the test of these verses are Prophet Muhammad(saw) whose teachings are being followed by muslims. The Holy Spirit failed the test of the said verses.
luk24:49 in no way stated that the comforter would descend into Jerusalem.
Therefore how can the comforter be the Holy Spirit? Can you explain. Lu sudah kena lah tambi .....
LOL , The International Journal for Pastors ...... yes , Christian pastors also agreed that the evidence points to the fact that the comforter is a person.
BTW , Christians like you attest that the Holy Spirit talks to you like whispering in your mind to you. I hope you do realise the mental state of a person who starts to hear voices in his mind. Scary .....
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
so now the comforter is muhammad? but you muslims says Bible is corrupt....how come now believed in bible?
where in the Quran says Jesus mention comforter is muhammad? or in Bible??
Some of the Muslim scholars claim that Mohammed is the comforter, the Holy Spirit. Can you comment on this? (6:24)
Well, you know, there is a man by the name Ibn Tamima. He was one of the very well known Imam, many, many years ago. And he wrote a very large book. And in his book he said, that Mohammed is a prophet like Moses. The Holy Spirit is a prophecy about Mohammed. He said more than that. In Psalm 84, there is a verse that is saying that people will go in the valley of weeping, and they make it as a source of comfort. You know, in Arabic, the valley of weeping means Bouka. And he said Bouka is Mecca. And the Mecca, this is a prophecy about Islam, about Mohammed. He came to Mecca, and he fulfilled that prophecy.
In one of my books I said, "Come on here, this is no prophecy at all, because the Bible, the psalmist was speaking about people who will pass through the valley of sorrow, of suffering, and through the comfort and the joy of the Lord, will change the weeping and the suffering into joy and peace. And now you go, you come and tell me that this is a prophecy about Mohammed? What is that all about?
Now we come to the comforter of the Holy Spirit. What did Jesus say about that? He said that this comforter is the Spirit. Was Mohammed a spirit? Is one questions. A spirit? "I will send you the spirit of truth." But Mohammed was human, he was not spirit. He was a human being, with a body. Number two, the paraclitus, in the Greek word means 'comforter'. It doesn't mean Mohammed or Ahmed. Nothing like that! Then again, Jesus said to the disciples, "I am going to send to you the comforter, not after many days." Mohammed came after 600 years. How could he be the comforter? Again, He said, "When this comforter will come, he will glorify me." Mohammed didn't glorify Jesus Christ. In fact, he degraded Jesus Christ. And he said, and this is in the Arabic word, In English it is, "The similitude of Jesus is like Adam. He created him from the dust, and He said to him, "Be," and he was." He degraded Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God.
So, to say that the comforter, the Holy Spirit, who came to magnify, and to glorify Jesus Christ is Mohammed. And then Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, "He will remind you of all what I have said to you." Listen, without the Holy Spirit? How could the gospel will be written? Who could memorize the whole sermon on the Mount? But the Holy Spirit brought all the sermon of the Mount to the mind of Matthew, and he wrote it word by word. You see, and he reminded the disciples of all the sayings of Jesus Christ, of all the miracles of Jesus Christ. And they wrote it word by word. Why? Because there was the element of the Holy Spirit. Did Mohammed do that? Mohammed didn't do that. Mohammed distorted the Bible. He distorted the Bible all together. So Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit, and to say that he is the Holy Spirit, well, it is just to say something not in the Bible.
Why do the, Muslim clerics want to refer to the Bible to find something about Mohammed there, while they are saying that the Bible was corrupted? If the Bible was corrupted, why are you searching for a verse here, and a verse there, referring to Mohammed? They say the "Bible is corrupted! Leave it alone!" But with their saying that the Bible was fabricated, was corrupted, they are really dying to find a verse here, or a verse there to speak about Mohammed.You know, you go to Isaiah Chapter 42, when he speaks about the servant of the Lord, and they said that the servant of the Lord is Mohammed. Come on here, what are you talking about? Matthew said that this same prophecy was fulfilled to the letter, in Jesus Christ. How can you come and say this verse is concerning Mohammed?
So we just forget about that illusion, that the comforter was Mohammed. Mohammed was not the Holy Spirit!
where in the Quran says Jesus mention comforter is muhammad? or in Bible??
Some of the Muslim scholars claim that Mohammed is the comforter, the Holy Spirit. Can you comment on this? (6:24)
Well, you know, there is a man by the name Ibn Tamima. He was one of the very well known Imam, many, many years ago. And he wrote a very large book. And in his book he said, that Mohammed is a prophet like Moses. The Holy Spirit is a prophecy about Mohammed. He said more than that. In Psalm 84, there is a verse that is saying that people will go in the valley of weeping, and they make it as a source of comfort. You know, in Arabic, the valley of weeping means Bouka. And he said Bouka is Mecca. And the Mecca, this is a prophecy about Islam, about Mohammed. He came to Mecca, and he fulfilled that prophecy.
In one of my books I said, "Come on here, this is no prophecy at all, because the Bible, the psalmist was speaking about people who will pass through the valley of sorrow, of suffering, and through the comfort and the joy of the Lord, will change the weeping and the suffering into joy and peace. And now you go, you come and tell me that this is a prophecy about Mohammed? What is that all about?
Now we come to the comforter of the Holy Spirit. What did Jesus say about that? He said that this comforter is the Spirit. Was Mohammed a spirit? Is one questions. A spirit? "I will send you the spirit of truth." But Mohammed was human, he was not spirit. He was a human being, with a body. Number two, the paraclitus, in the Greek word means 'comforter'. It doesn't mean Mohammed or Ahmed. Nothing like that! Then again, Jesus said to the disciples, "I am going to send to you the comforter, not after many days." Mohammed came after 600 years. How could he be the comforter? Again, He said, "When this comforter will come, he will glorify me." Mohammed didn't glorify Jesus Christ. In fact, he degraded Jesus Christ. And he said, and this is in the Arabic word, In English it is, "The similitude of Jesus is like Adam. He created him from the dust, and He said to him, "Be," and he was." He degraded Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God.
So, to say that the comforter, the Holy Spirit, who came to magnify, and to glorify Jesus Christ is Mohammed. And then Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, "He will remind you of all what I have said to you." Listen, without the Holy Spirit? How could the gospel will be written? Who could memorize the whole sermon on the Mount? But the Holy Spirit brought all the sermon of the Mount to the mind of Matthew, and he wrote it word by word. You see, and he reminded the disciples of all the sayings of Jesus Christ, of all the miracles of Jesus Christ. And they wrote it word by word. Why? Because there was the element of the Holy Spirit. Did Mohammed do that? Mohammed didn't do that. Mohammed distorted the Bible. He distorted the Bible all together. So Mohammed is not the Holy Spirit, and to say that he is the Holy Spirit, well, it is just to say something not in the Bible.
Why do the, Muslim clerics want to refer to the Bible to find something about Mohammed there, while they are saying that the Bible was corrupted? If the Bible was corrupted, why are you searching for a verse here, and a verse there, referring to Mohammed? They say the "Bible is corrupted! Leave it alone!" But with their saying that the Bible was fabricated, was corrupted, they are really dying to find a verse here, or a verse there to speak about Mohammed.You know, you go to Isaiah Chapter 42, when he speaks about the servant of the Lord, and they said that the servant of the Lord is Mohammed. Come on here, what are you talking about? Matthew said that this same prophecy was fulfilled to the letter, in Jesus Christ. How can you come and say this verse is concerning Mohammed?
So we just forget about that illusion, that the comforter was Mohammed. Mohammed was not the Holy Spirit!
Ha ha , apa lah lu tambi. Why copy paste the same argument? The question you should answer
- Why do you insist that the comforter is the Holy Spirit? Jesus stated and you agreed that the comforter would only come after he (Jesus) has gone but the Holy Spirit was already around before and during the time of Jesus. Can you explain this.
You are trying your best to avoid answering the question.
Yes , I say again , the bible is corrupt. Corrupt means that there are still genuine revelation but got mixed up with man made issues like Jesus being God.
Jesus did not say the comforter would come immediately after he has gone .... did he? Therefore why are you arguing on the immediateness of the issue?
Can you now show me where did Prophet Muhammad(saw) degraded Jesus? Jesus never claim to be God.
Without the Holy Spirit how could the gospel be written? You mean without hearing voices in your mind? You mean the gospels were written by crazy unamed people?
LOL , you keep on insisting to learn from pastors whom you regard being scholars. I linked the International Journal for Pastors which conclude that the comforter is highly likely a person. Now you are throwing all these under the bus. So much for your insistence of learning from pastors.
You are a hypocrite lah tambi.
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
Yes , I say again , the bible is corrupt. Corrupt means that there are still genuine revelation but got mixed up with man made issues like Jesus being God.
So the case is closed. Bible is corrupt according to Muslims and the comforter is not Muhammad. but muslims like twiste here and there to support muhammad which using the Taqiya tactic to lies..
to ponder :
Mohammed didn't receive a direct call from God.the spirit squeezed Mohammed very tightly, he thought that he was going to die.the spirit said to Mohammed, "Read." he went back to his wife Khadigah and said I am possessed. since when does God squeezed n possessed people? when you go the Bible, Gabriel appeared to many people Then he appeared to Mary. And Mary was troubled, and Gabriel said, "Do not be afraid." he din,t squeezed or possessed Mary. so what ever visited muahmmad is not from God. 
Game over MUslims...wake up...Muhammad not comforter...Muslims please get nice comforter and sleep to think
Truth.8 replied at 7-5-2016 04:17 PM
So the case is closed. Bible is corrupt according to Muslims and the comforter is not Muhammad. but muslims like twiste here and there to support muhammad which using the Taqiya tactic to lies..
to ponder :
Mohammed didn't receive a direct call from God.the spirit squeezed Mohammed very tightly, he thought that he was going to die.the spirit said to Mohammed, "Read." he went back to his wife Khadigah and said I am possessed. since when does God squeezed n possessed people? when you go the Bible, Gabriel appeared to many people Then he appeared to Mary. And Mary was troubled, and Gabriel said, "Do not be afraid." he din,t squeezed or possessed Mary. so what ever visited muahmmad is not from God. 
Game over MUslims...wake up...Muhammad not comforter...Muslims please get nice comforter and sleep to think
LOL , the case is not closed.
You are still running away from explaining why you insist the comforter is the Holy Spirit. The biblical verses stated in no uncertain terms that the comforter would only come when Jesus goes away. No way it can be the Holy Spirit. Yet you insist it is. Why so?
Corrupt means that some parts of the bible still retain that its revelation from God. To us muslims , whatever in the bible that agrees with the Quran , then it is genuine revelation. In the Quran Jesus has stated that after him would be another Prophet. In fact the Israelites knew that there would be another Prophet that would be coming when they asked John the Baptist: joh1:19-21 (NIV)
19 Now this was John’s testimony when the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was.
20 He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Messiah.”
21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”
Ha ha , it is just your unlearned opinion that since Archangel Gabriel hugged Prophet Muhammad(saw) tightly , you think its a demon. Why is this so? Of course Prophet Muhammad(saw) was afraid. If he was in Jerusalem , an Israelite , he would not be is because of the handed down stories of angels appearing to the past prophets. In his case , the is one of the few non Israelite prophets and had no prior knowledge of such event. If you say its a demon , then Prophet Daniel in the bible aslo met a demon because he was scared and trembling(Daniel 10:11).
Since you quote part of the hadith (Bukhari vol1 book 1 number 3)and you used it for your argument of the so called demon , this means you believe in it. Therefore you shouldn't have any problems if we continue with the same hadith :
... Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while...
The same exact hadith stated that Khatijah(ra) cousin , Waraka Naufal , who was a Christian (and in context a holy man) confirmed that the entity experienced by Prophet Muhammad(saw) was indeed Archangel Gabriel and he supported Prophet Muhammad(saw).
You know what this means? In simple terms : Its a Christian who was the first to endorse the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad(saw).
Ha ha , this is one sucker punch on you. I repeat again , its a Christian and of course Christianity who / that endorsed the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad(saw).
My stomach is quite painful from the laughing
Lu kena lagi lah tambi ...... LOL .... first it is highly likely Prophet Muhammad(saw) is the comforter stated in the bible and now , we see that it was a Christian who first endorsed the prophethood of Prophet Muhammad(saw) .... I love the irony of it .....
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
You are still running away from explaining why you insist the co ...
Corrupt means that some parts of the bible still retain that its revelation from God. To us muslims , whatever in the bible that agrees with the Quran , then it is genuine revelation. In the Quran Jesus has stated that after him would be another Prophet. In fact the Israelites knew that there would be another Prophet that would be coming when they asked John the Baptist: joh1:19-21 (NIV)
thats indicate you muslims are liars...using the tactic knows as Taqiya .......
so get nice comforter -sleep and keep on dreaming that comforter in bible is muhammad ..hahhahahahhahaha
Truth.8 replied at 7-5-2016 10:22 PM
thats indicate you muslims are liars...using the tactic knows as Taqiya .......
so get nice comforter -sleep and keep on dreaming that comforter in bible is muhammad ..hahhahahahhahaha
Translation :
I am cornered. I cannot answer anymore. The best thing I can do now is to make wild allegations and try to laugh my way out
Do you have the answer or not? Ha ha ..... you don't have an answer because you have been checkmated , cornered and lost your tongue.
Why do you insist on the Holy Spirit being the comforter? Jesus stated that the comforter would only come if he goes away. The Holy Spirit has been around before and during Jesus lifetime.
I can still hit you left and right. The following is from a Christian Theologian , Dr Ian Mevorach who agreed that Prophet Muhammad(saw) is the comforter
There is no better candidate than Muhammad, no one in fact that comes even close, in terms of fulfilling Jesus’s promise of the Spirit of Truth who would bring forth a new revelation from God. I do not have space in this article to explore the many Qur’anic verses directly addressed to Christians, but if we were to receive them our religion would be transformed for the better and would come into balance with Judaism and Islam.
Jesus knew it would be difficult for us to accept his guidance from another source. But he did not want our fear of the apparent otherness of the Prophet Muhammad and the Qur’an to separate us from the Way, the Truth, and the Life; that is, the Word of God. This is why he spoke to the disciples reassuringly about the Spirit of Truth, saying, “he will glorify me”; and, for the same reason, he emphasized the unity of his teaching with the revelations to come, twice repeating the promise, “he will take what is mine and declare it to you” (John 16:14-15, NRSV). Based on the promises of Jesus, Christians can encounter the Qur’an without fear, knowing that it is a revelation which glorifies Jesus and, in a spiritual sense, is from him
Rev. Dr. Ian Mevorach holds a B.A. in Philosophy from Middlebury College, an M.Div. from Boston University School of Theology (BUSTH), and a Ph.D. in Theological Ethics and Constructive Theology from BUSTH. He is the co-founder and spiritual leader of the Common Street Spiritual Center in Natick, MA (www.commonstreet.org), which is an inclusive, love-centered community, rooted in a Christian faith that is open to all faiths. He is the co-founder of the American Baptist Churches Creation Justice Network and represents the American Baptist Churches USA on the board of Creation Justice Ministries, a national, multi-denominational environmental justice coalition. He is active in the movement for peace, justice, and the integrity of creation that includes people of conscience from all cultures, spiritualities, and generations. Jewish-Christian-Muslim dialogue, and interfaith dialogue in general, is one of his major passions. Please feel free to reach out to Ian by e-mail at ian@commonstreet.org
First we have the International Journal for Pastors agreeing that the comforter is a person. Now we have a Christian Theologian who agrees that the Comforter is Prophet Muhammad(saw).
Lu kena lagi lah tambi ...... lu asyik kena aje ....
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
get a nice comforter and sleep ...while sleeping use your brain to think the differences between comforter and muhammad
Oh I see ... now it 'everybody understand' type of argument issit?
Ok then , since 'everybody understand' that the comforter is the Holy Spirit , can you now explain - why issit you claim that the Holy Spirit is the comforter? Jesus already stated that the comforter would only come if he goes away but the Holy Spirit was already around before and during the lifetime of Jesus.
Explain lah ..... why so scared?
LOL , you repeatedly stated to learn from pastors. The International Journal for Pastors stated that the comforter is a person. What has happened to your claim of learning from pastors? Thrown under the bus or what?
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
where is muhammad now????
dont run like chicken ok
another video :
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
where is muhammad now????
dont run like chicken ok
another video :
Aiyah a̶u̶t̶a̶.̶8̶ truth.8 , you so scared to answer my question issit? Now switching tactics pulak. You think by asking me questions you can run from my questions?
LOL , I am not like you , scared to answer questions. Your question is a kureng cerdik question. I copy paste the answer from Dr Ian Mevorach
... However, in John 16:12-15, Jesus is talking about a Spirit of Truth who will bring forth new revelations, who will say the “many things” that Jesus does not say because his followers “cannot bear them now.”
The clear distinction is that the Spirit of Truth in John 16 is predicted to declare new revelations not merely remind Jesus’ disciples of what he already said, as in John 14. The idea that he will “declare to you the things that are to come” is especially important because it acknowledges the uncertainty about the future that Jesus’ followers faced, given the fact that he had not returned as soon as expected. Jesus asserts that this future prophet will glorify him by declaring a new revelation that will come from the same source as his message: God. This discourse is designed to open the minds of Christians to receive a future revelation not as something that competes with or diminishes the Gospel, but rather as something that glorifies Jesus. Unfortunately, these words in the Gospel of John have been totally missed by Christians who reject and belittle the Qur’an; we have for the most part completely ignored the unity of the Gospel and the Qur’an in terms of their common revelatory source. However, if we take Jesus’ words seriously, we have the opportunity to receive the Word of God in the Qur’an in accordance with Jesus’ promise that the Spirit of Truth “will take what is mine and declare it to you.” We can accept the Qur’an as a revelation, not in opposition to the Gospel, but in unity with the Gospel and the will of Jesus.
What is forever abiding is the teaching from revelation , meaning the message from the Quran as it has been preserved since the first revealed verse and continue to be preserved. This is the point of 'abide with you forever'.
Where do you learn that it has to be a physical entity? The whole objective is about teachings that is uncorrupted. Apa lah lu tambi ..... such a simple concept yet you are giving videos after videos that missed the point.
What is so difficult about answering your question? Such an easy kureng cerdik question from a kureng cerdik a̶u̶t̶a̶.̶8̶ truth.8
Back to my questions. Can you now explain why you insist the comforter is the Holy Spirit? Jesus explicitly stated that the comforter would only come upon him going away. The Holy Spirit was already around before and during Jesus's time.
Are you gonna try to run again or you have enough courage to answer or you have been cornered and lost your manhood?
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
where is muhammad now???? Or does it mean Paul not Muhammad but where are they now???
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
where is muhammad now???? Or does it mean Paul not Muhammad but where are they now???
LOL , dey tambi , tactic tak jadi lah. You think you can run by asking the same question while ignoring the given answer issit? Such is only done by desperate and kureng cerdik people like you.
I repost my answer from my last post :
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LOL , I am not like you , scared to answer questions. Your question is a kureng cerdik question. I copy paste the answer from Dr Ian Mevorach
... However, in John 16:12-15, Jesus is talking about a Spirit of Truth who will bring forth new revelations, who will say the “many things” that Jesus does not say because his followers “cannot bear them now.”
The clear distinction is that the Spirit of Truth in John 16 is predicted to declare new revelations not merely remind Jesus’ disciples of what he already said, as in John 14. The idea that he will “declare to you the things that are to come” is especially important because it acknowledges the uncertainty about the future that Jesus’ followers faced, given the fact that he had not returned as soon as expected. Jesus asserts that this future prophet will glorify him by declaring a new revelation that will come from the same source as his message: God. This discourse is designed to open the minds of Christians to receive a future revelation not as something that competes with or diminishes the Gospel, but rather as something that glorifies Jesus. Unfortunately, these words in the Gospel of John have been totally missed by Christians who reject and belittle the Qur’an; we have for the most part completely ignored the unity of the Gospel and the Qur’an in terms of their common revelatory source. However, if we take Jesus’ words seriously, we have the opportunity to receive the Word of God in the Qur’an in accordance with Jesus’ promise that the Spirit of Truth “will take what is mine and declare it to you.” We can accept the Qur’an as a revelation, not in opposition to the Gospel, but in unity with the Gospel and the will of Jesus.
What is forever abiding is the teaching from revelation , meaning the message from the Quran as it has been preserved since the first revealed verse and continue to be preserved. This is the point of 'abide with you forever'.
Where do you learn that it has to be a physical entity? The whole objective is about teachings that is uncorrupted. Apa lah lu tambi ..... such a simple concept yet you are giving videos after videos that missed the point.
What is so difficult about answering your question? Such an easy kureng cerdik question from a kureng cerdik a̶u̶t̶a̶.̶8̶ truth.8
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When are you going to explain why you insist the comforter is the Holy Spirit? Jesus already stated that it is expedient he goes away else the comforter would not come. The Holy Spirit was already around before and during Jesus life time.
Ha ha , you are cornered .... aren't you? That is why you are twisting left and right trying your best not to answer.
You keep on avoiding and running away from the points I raised.
- Sam Shamoun is not a scholar , as far as I know he is a school dropout. However you claim he is a scholar. Can you back up your claim?
- Why is that when muslims criticse the Bible and Christianity you keep on insisting references to scholars (BTW pastors are not scholars). However you are ok with your polemics against Islam and Quran with references to 'answering islam' and 'faith freedom'. Since when are these entities scholars?
- Why do you brush aside works by real scholars like Prof Bart Ehrman , Prof Geza Vermes , Prof Dale Tuggy (to name a few) that points out the errancy of the bible and the nature of Jesus (works which I reference to)?
Lets see how many posts do you need to answer the questions. Can you stop running and stand your ground to answer. Issit asking too much?
What is forever abiding is the teaching from revelation ,meaning the message from the Quran as it has been preserved since the firstrevealed verse and continue to be preserved. This is the point of 'abide withyou forever'.
How could quran preserved or your abide forever when Jesus says spirit of truth? Is the quran spirit of truth? One moment you said is Muhammad next quran….why contradict in your statements ? . using taqiya tactic in such issue.
Another question avoid:
Why not Paul instead of Muhammad? Because Paul testify Christ crucifixion and believed Jesus is son of God but the quran deny all t hose…a kind of anti Christ. So, the comforter surly not Muhammad nor the quran....it was well frabicated to misleads others to protect islam= taqiya
So, kind of kaki auta u and rest of muslims claiming it was Muhammad…
Again you failed to answer in proper explanation:
U still didnot answer my question:
John 14:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that hemay abide with you for ever;
where is muhammad now???? Or does it mean Paul not Muhammad but where are they now???
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