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16Tetapi justru oleh sebab itulah Allah mengasihani saya, supaya Kristus Yesus dapat menunjukkan seluruh kesabaran-Nya terhadap saya, orang yang paling berdosa ini. Dan ini menjadi suatu contoh untuk semua orang yang nanti akan percaya kepada-Nya dan mendapat hidup sejati dan kekal
http://www.ccel.org/b/bible/idbah/htm/iTim.htm#iTim
WHOA!!! |
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Thats right my fren, there is no guarantee whatsover that the Quran is from God. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-25 11:17 AM:
Thats right my fren, there is no guarantee whatsover that the Quran is from God.
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And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
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Allah made it but a message of hope for you, and an assurance to your hearts: (in any case) there is no help except from Allah. The Exalted, the Wise:
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Allah made it but a message of hope, and an assurance to your hearts: (in any case) there is no help except from Allah: and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
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And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs.
 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/045.qmt.html#045.032 |
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These are all claims, not proofs.
By showing these verses, Muslims are citcular reasoning.
cheers |
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how can u gurantee a book that have man versions?? in english bible the word Allah doesnt exsits..in indon the word Allah is everywhere.. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-25 11:48 AM:
These are all claims, not proofs.
By showing these verses, Muslims are citcular reasoning.
cheers
Another silly statement - as usual. |
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Originally posted by snipersnake at 2005-1-25 12:00 PM:
how can u gurantee a book that have man versions?? in english bible the word Allah doesnt exsits..in indon the word Allah is everywhere..
the quran does have many versions. Thats right, how muslims guarantee? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-25 12:08 PM:
the quran does have many versions. Thats right, how muslims guarantee?
The Qur'an has only one version. Muslims don't guarantee. God guarantees (assures) us. |
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But the truth is, there are many versions of the Quran even though yu deny it. So which is the original version? |
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There is only one version of Quran. |
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Yup there is only so called one version(BUT MANY INTERPRETATIONS) left since the first Caliph burnt all the other versions and if anyone caught with other versions OFF WITH HIS HEAD. |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-25 11:17 AM:
Thats right my fren, there is no guarantee whatsover that the Quran is from God.
so who wrote teh Quran?
me dare u to write a book
something more amazing like Quran
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it mustt containn knowledge
tat is not known now
but which must be proven in future!!!!!!!
can U do it Debyou? |
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Originally posted by nightlord at 27-1-2005 12:51 AM:
Yup there is only so called one version(BUT MANY INTERPRETATIONS) left since the first Caliph burnt all the other versions and if anyone caught with other versions OFF WITH HIS HEAD.
Yes, the Quran will always have one version, no doubt. |
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They tell us we use different Quran.
They told us there are different verses of Quran.
We said, try to come to our house and see if they find any of different Quran exist in our house.
Once another verse of Quran exist, we will know it for sure. For every falsehood will appear, coz we know Who preserve the Quran.
So the new version of Quran, we will not called it Quran.
It a false made by the hand of human being. And eventually we will know it all along.
I know a person, just to visit his house, and you will find so many Bible inside the house. Only one particular house, you will find many bible, totally different. Not just a simple spelling error, but you will find major differences and it all clear. I've seen all these Bible and my friend keep collecting the different Bibles everywhere.
The amount of chapters in the Bible is differ one to another. Even a child can spot these differences, but yet they claim there is only one Bible.
They cannot say for sure how many book inside the Bible. Of course they can say this but then they will asked you what version of Bible do you use?
Like we can say for sure, there is 114 sura, 30 juzuk, the first surah is Al Fatihah and the last surah is Al Ikhlas.
As asked by budakpahang before, who wrote the Quran.
Some of them say,
Trinity
Twoness
Oneness
which one is true?
There is only one true answer.
It never suit our logical to say, all three is true coz is clear contradictory.
Or two is true, and one is false.
And the God is not the author of confusion. |
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Why don't yu do a search on Warsh and Hafs? |
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Peace Debmey..
Have you read the link i gave you..?
The Warsh version is mainly used in North Africa, while the Hafs is used in the Middle East and elsewhere.
The differences between the two texts are minor while the content and message remains the same.
Over time languages adapt to the people who speak them. We see this in English and all its variants around the world.
Here are good examples in English of variant spellings -
colour vs color
recognise vs recognize
aint vs is not / am not
These variants demonstrate how the writing does not really influence the underlying meaning and they represent the adaptations to regional preferences.
Compared to the thousands upon thousands of words within the Quran the minor and few differences between the hafs/warsh are simply examples of language adaptation and human errors rather than any flaw with the message.
As you can see debmey.. when God promise the no evil could enter the Quran. I believe that nobody could change the meaning of the message transmitted by the Quran.
Btw Deb. thanx for bringing this subject up.. i learnt alot.. thanx
Peace. |
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Loli, same thng applies to the bible.
The different is in the language. |
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Peace DP
Loli, same thng applies to the bible.
The different is in the language.
The thing is that in the Hafs and Warsh version the only difference is the vocalization marks. There is no one single case where the meaning is changed.
As I have said before it could be due to difference in understanding in grammar. If someone consider the Arabic grammar to be Divine then this is their problem. In English you can say 搈ore healthy |
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