Ezekiel 23:3 & Paradise

Truth.8

Originally posted by MENJ at 22-9-2006 10:00 PM


How many times do I have to tell you that MUSLIMS ARE NOT JEWS and we were NEVER required to keep the Sabbath? All we have is the Jumuah congregation prayers.

- MENJ

....how many times do  i hve to tell that Sabbath was create for man mean all nations and races.

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 22-9-2006 06:32 PM


This thread is not about Sabbath or Sarbat, its about Ezekiel 23, now what's ur answer for that filthy language in Ezekiel 23 ?

hve u finished reading the whole Ezekiel 23 chapter??

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 12:30 AM


hve u finished reading the whole Ezekiel 23 chapter??

It doesnt matter if in the end Ezekiel 23 have moral value or not, the matter is now why GOD uses filthy words with lurid sexual details ? Anyway it was a nice erotic fantasies for u dumbies.

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 23-9-2006 09:58 AM


It doesnt matter if in the end Ezekiel 23 have moral value or not, the matter is now why GOD uses filthy words with lurid sexual details ? Anyway it was a nice erotic fantasies for u dumbies.

That because God is very angry with  peoples who  has polluted HIS words and worst this peoples comes in covering head to toe like holy but their mess God words. God uses such fitly words because they not worth to called holy or God peoples. Include you Muslims too broke Sabbath.

I will come on this issue more later.

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 12:49 PM ]

That because God is very angry peoples has polluted HIS words and worst this peoples comes in covering head to toe like holy but their mess God words. God uses such fitly words because they not worth to called holy or God peoples. Include you Muslims too broke Sabbath.

What u mean ?  :stp:

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 23-9-2006 12:40 PM


What u mean ?  :stp:

the whole chapter  Ezekiel 23  is jigsaw puzzle. it will be difficult to grasp the meaning immediately because God speak in parable. God do not says Papal system or Muhammad teachings  but God used  parable in forms of puzzle for us  to understand or God Holy Spirit to educate us. I was move my God spirit.

It takes times for peoples to understand. One need good pastors or teacher to translate that meaning.

The whole chapter of  Ezekiel 23 is refer to Papal systems and Muhammad for polluting God words. God very angry until used unpleasant words to educate peoples who messing with HIS wrods.


will write more on this later.

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 12:48 PM ]

the whole chapter  Ezekiel 23  is jigsaw puzzle. it will be difficult to grasp the meaning immediately because God speak in parable. God do not says Papal system or Muhammad teachings  but God used  parable in forms of puzzle for us  to understand or God Holy Spirit to educate us. I was move my God spirit.

Jigsaw puzzle ? Is GOD playing jigsaw puzzle and sudoku here ?

The whole chapter of  Ezekiel 23 is refer to Papal systems and Muhammad for polluting God words. God very angry until used unpleasant words to educate peoples who messing with HIS wrods.

Wahh, u say ur GOD so loving this and that, how come become so angry till use filthy words ? Why didnt use four letter word to educate his people ? So now u agree with me ur GOD use unpleasant words rite ?

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 23-9-2006 01:21 PM


Jigsaw puzzle ? Is GOD playing jigsaw puzzle and sudoku here ?

are u God? is God going used name like papal systems or muhammad will come as false prophet? No but God will used parable in forms of puzzle for us to understand.

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 23-9-2006 01:21 PM

Wahh, u say ur GOD so loving this and that, how come become so angry till use filthy words ? Why didnt use four letter word ...

why not? did not ur father will used unpleasant words if you disobey him??

the filthy words is to teach his misguided peoples like u and few of them to goes back to the truth. u want God used  pleasant words to u even if you know the truth but ignore?

MENJ

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 12:28 AM


....how many times do  i hve to tell that Sabbath was create for man mean all nations and races.

Ten Commandments is for all men from all nations and races? That is silly! You very well know that Moses was revealed the laws for Bani Israil, and ONLY for the Bani Israil!

- MENJ

MENJ

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 12:46 PM



the whole chapter  Ezekiel 23  is jigsaw puzzle. it will be difficult to grasp the meaning immediately because God speak in parable. God do not says Papal system or Muhammad teachings  but Go ...

So now Ezekiel 23 is a "jigsaw puzzle". Did the HS (Holy shit) give you yet another new revelation?

- MENJ

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 01:39 PM
are u God? is God going used name like papal systems or muhammad will come as false prophet? No but God will used parable in forms of puzzle for us to understand.

So whats the puzzle for Ezekiel 23 ? To find out how many took part in disgusting fantasy gangbang ?

why not? did not ur father will used unpleasant words if you disobey him??

the filthy words is to teach his misguided peoples like u and few of them to goes back to the truth. u want God used  pleasant words to u even if you know the truth but ignore?

Here you are saying like Human is same like ur GOD. Is your GOD use filthy words to teach ? Muahahaha, thats good for u dumbies !

Truth.8

Originally posted by MENJ at 23-9-2006 01:43 PM


So now Ezekiel 23 is a "jigsaw puzzle". Did the HS (Holy shit) give you yet another new revelation?

- MENJ

yet, it is like puzzle and u muhammad followers failed to understand.

Truth.8

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 23-9-2006 01:49 PM


So whats the puzzle for Ezekiel 23 ? To find out how many took part in disgusting fantasy gangbang ?



Here you are saying like Human is same like ur GOD. Is your GOD use filthy words to t ...

it mean for those behaving like holy like u but breaking God words.

i am saying are u God ? nope u human. God uses parable to educate us even warning like those pollute God words God will used unpleasant words because u peoples  stubborned and deserved it by breaking HIS laws.

Truth.8

Ezekiel 23

1The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,

2Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:

3And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.

4And the names of them were Aholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus were their names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.

5And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,

6Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.

7Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

8Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.

9Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.

10These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.

11And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in her whoredoms.

12She doted upon the Assyrians her neighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.

13Then I saw that she was defiled, that they took both one way,

14And that she increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,

15Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:

16And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.

17And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

18So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.

19Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

20For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.

21Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.

22Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

23The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.

24And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.

25And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.

26They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.

27Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom brought from the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

28For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:

29And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

30I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

31Thou hast walked in the way of thy sister; therefore will I give her cup into thine hand.

32Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou shalt drink of thy sister's cup deep and large: thou shalt be laughed to scorn and had in derision; it containeth much.

33Thou shalt be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, with the cup of astonishment and desolation, with the cup of thy sister Samaria.

34Thou shalt even drink it and suck it out, and thou shalt break the sherds thereof, and pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

35Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast forgotten me, and cast me behind thy back, therefore bear thou also thy lewdness and thy whoredoms.

36The LORD said moreover unto me; Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? yea, declare unto them their abominations;

37That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.

38Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

39For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house.

40And furthermore, that ye have sent for men to come from far, unto whom a messenger was sent; and, lo, they came: for whom thou didst wash thyself, paintedst thy eyes, and deckedst thyself with ornaments,

41And satest upon a stately bed, and a table prepared before it, whereupon thou hast set mine incense and mine oil.

42And a voice of a multitude being at ease was with her: and with the men of the common sort were brought Sabeans from the wilderness, which put bracelets upon their hands, and beautiful crowns upon their heads.

43Then said I unto her that was old in adulteries, Will they now commit whoredoms with her, and she with them?

44Yet they went in unto her, as they go in unto a woman that playeth the harlot: so went they in unto Aholah and unto Aholibah, the lewd women.

45And the righteous men, they shall judge them after the manner of adulteresses, and after the manner of women that shed blood; because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

46For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will bring up a company upon them, and will give them to be removed and spoiled.

47And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire.

48Thus will I cause lewdness to cease out of the land, that all women may be taught not to do after your lewdness.

49And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.

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Truth.8

Translation for the above meaning



God refers to Samaria (Israel) and Jerusalem (Judah) as Oholah and Oholibah respectively (verse 4). (The King James spelling is Aholah and Aholibah.) The names are significant. Oholah means "Her Own Tabernacle," while Oholibah means "My Tabernacle Is in Her." God's temple?n essence a fixed tabernacle?as located in Jerusalem. Throughout the divided kingdom era, Judah, despite periods of apostasy, remained the center of true worship. In contrast, the northern kingdom, since the time of Jeroboam, set up centers of false worship.

God refers to both sisters as "Mine" (verse 4)?hat is, He took the nation as His own in the Sinai marriage covenant. And they bore Him "sons and daughters," that is, the people of the nation. Yet despite the covenant relationship, both sisters committed spiritual harlotry with other nations and their gods.

Verses 5-8 describe the harlotry of Samaria the "older" or, literally, "greater" sister (verse 4). The northern kingdom of Israel sought "relations" with the Assyrians as "her lovers." This involved not only political alliances but Israel's worship of Assyria's gods (verse 7). God's judgment was to allow the Assyrians to invade Israel and strip her bare, taking the people captive or killing them (verses 9-10). This happened in the first Assyrian invasion and deportation of Israel in 733-732 B.C. and the second invasion and deportation at the fall of Samaria in 722 B.C. (more than 130 years before Ezekiel wrote).

Verses 11-21 describe the harlotry of the southern kingdom of Judah with its capital, Jerusalem. She saw what happened to the northern kingdom, but failed to learn from its experiences (verse 11). As Jeremiah had written regarding God having put away the northern kingdom, "Her treacherous sister Judah saw it... Yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also" (Jeremiah 3:7-8). Indeed, Jerusalem was even "more corrupt" (Ezekiel 23:11). Judah defiled God's own temple with idolatry and immoral practices. And, as noted in the Bible Reading Program comments on Ezekiel 16, there was also an important accountability factor. As the center of true worship, the responsibility for spiritual leadership and right conduct rested with Judah even more than with Israel.

Judah also pursued relations with the Assyrians (verse 12). And she, too, was left defiled by them (verse 13)? reference to the spiritual defilement caused by idolatry and to the actual devastation caused by Sennacherib's invasion in 701 B.C., in which the Assyrians took a large number of Jewish captives. Unlike what happened to the northern kingdom, though, God left a remnant of Judah in the land at that time. "But she increased her harlotry" (verse 14). She failed to learn the lesson.

Judah "then extended her prostitution to the Babylonians. She had inordinate affections for the Babylonian [Chaldean] rulers (cf. Jer 22:21), seeing images of them on walls [Ezekiel 23:14]. Bas-reliefs were common decorations in Mesopotamian palaces and temples. Perhaps this statement was an allusion to some Judean envoys who were sent to Babylonia and saw the witness of her great power demonstrated on such walls. Judah did send messengers to woo Babylonia into 'relations' with her, and Babylonia complied by entering into such 'relations' with Jerusalem (vv. 14-16...)" (note on verses 11-21).

Verse 17 explains that Judah became defiled with Babylonian immorality and then states that "she was defiled by them." This latter phrase apparently referred to the Babylonians' past few military invasions. Fed up with national humiliation and eager to win independence, Judah "alienated herself from them." This is evidently a reference to Zedekiah's rebellion against Babylon. God responds by alienating Himself from Judah (verse 18). For on top of Judah's downward spiral into depravity, the nation's betrayal of its allegiance to Babylon is a violation of an oath to God (see Ezekiel 17:15-20).

"As if Jerusalem had not learned her lesson, she turned away from Babylonia only to turn to Egypt for aid through 'relations' with that nation ([Ezekiel 23] vv. 19-21; cf. Jer 2:18; 6:8; 37:5-7; Lam 4:17). It was like striking up an old relationship. Jerusalem failed to learn from the distasteful relationship with Babylonia that security lay, not in men, but in the Lord. Egypt, of course, was extremely anxious to enter into 'relations' with Judah; for the Pharaohs were planning intervention in Asia. Such desire on Egypt's part was portrayed by the figure of lustful donkeys and horses (cf. Jer 2:24; 5:8; 13:27), while Jerusalem equally desired to renew the sexual perversion of her youth with Egypt [with God likening this to the vileness of pursuing relations with animals]" (note on Ezekiel 23:11-21).
In verses 22-35, God pronounces judgment on Judah. He would bring the nation's former lovers against her: "The Babylonians, all the Chaldeans, Pekod, Shoa, Koa, all the Assyrians with them" (verse 23). According to Expositor's: "The names Pekod, Shea, and Koa are taken by most scholars to refer to tribes located on the eastern borders of the Babylonian Empire. peqodh ('Pekod') is believed to he equivalent to the Assyrian pukadu, the name of a tribe in southeastern Babylonia. sho`a ('Shoa') is equated with the Assyrian sutu or suti, a term used of nomads east of the Tigris River. Originally these nomads lived in the Syrian desert according to the Amarna letters, but in the eleventh century B.C. they entered the eastern territory of Babylonia. qo`a ('Koa') finds its parallel in the Assyrian term kutu, a tribal group east of the Tigris River on the border of Elam and Median appearing in Assyrian inscriptions during the eleventh century B.C. and mentioned as part of Babylonia when conquered by Cyrus" (footnote on verse 23).

However, Jamieson, Fausset & Brown's Commentary says of these names: "Pekod...[is] not a geographical name, but descriptive of Babylon. [Meaning:] 'Visitation,' peculiarly the land of 'judgment'... Shoa...Koa?'rich...noble'; descriptive of Babylon in her prosperity, having all the world's wealth and dignity at her disposal" (note on verse 23).

The Assyrians, mentioned in the same context, are reckoned by most commentators to here be vassals of the Babylonians. However, most of the Assyrians had fled the region since their empire fell to the Babylonians. This may hint at some duality in the passage, as the final destruction of Judah and Israel at the end of the age will come at the hands of a power bloc comprising the modern descendants of the ancient Assyrians and Babylonians. The prophecy at the end of the chapter makes this even more likely, as we will see.

God tells Judah of the enemies He will bring against her: "They shall judge you according to their judgments... They shall remove your nose and your ears" (verses 24-25). This was evidently an ancient Middle Eastern punishment for adulteresses (Expositor's, note on verses 22-27; Nelson Study Bible, note on verses 22-27). Figuratively, Judah would no longer be beautiful and desirable?he would be disfigured and ugly. Because Judah has gone the way of Samaria, she will go the whole way of Samaria (verse 31)?eing forced to drink from the same "cup of horror and desolation" (verse 33). God tells Judah, "Since you have forgotten me and thrust me behind your back, you must bear the consequences of your lewdness and prostitution" (verse 35, NIV).
In the final section of the chapter, verses 36-49, God tells Ezekiel to pronounce judgment on Oholah and Oholibah - Samaria and Judah. From the wording of verses 45-49, it is clear that the decreed punishment was yet to come when Ezekiel prophesied. This is rather intriguing, as Samaria, the northern kingdom, had gone into captivity more than 130 years before Ezekiel received this prophecy. Here, then, is compelling reason for viewing this section as referring to the end time, when the descendants of the northern tribes will suffer the severest judgment ever along with the modern-day descendants of Judah.

As in Ezekiel 20 and 22, God again indicts Israel and Judah for idolatry and Sabbath-breaking (23:36-39)sins that are still nearly universal among the modern Israelites. The child sacrifice mentioned here could, as pointed out in regards to similar passages, apply in principle to the modern practice of abortion and to giving children over to the evil values and practices of society. Verses 40-41 show Israel again playing the harlot, getting made up and dressed up to entice others. The word "Sabeans" in verse 42, while possibly a reference to surrounding nomadic peoples, could also be translated "drunkards"?erhaps symbolizing other nations given over to the world's false religious system (see Revelation 17:1-2) with whom Israel commits spiritual adultery.

In verse 45 of Ezekiel 23, God says that "righteous men" will judge Israel and Judah as adulteresses and murderesses. Some commentators equate these righteous judges with the enemy nations bringing the punishment in verses 46-47, as God said He would delegate punishment to such nations (see verse 24). In this sense, "righteous" is viewed not as characterizing the enemy nations as right before God but as carrying out His righteous judgment. The New Bible Commentary: Revised, however, states, "Righteous men can hardly be Babylonians (cf. 7:21, 24); they are [rather] the few men of Jerusalem who remain faithful to Yahweh and condemn the national policy" (note on 23:45). This does make sense as judgment was committed to Ezekiel in verse 36..

cont/...

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 02:36 PM ]

Truth.8

In the last two verses of the chapter, God gives "four purposes in judging His sinning people. To end wickedness in the land; to instruct other nations ['all women'] of the consequences of unrighteousness; to punish the two wicked cities [for the sake of justice]; to bring Israel and Judah to a saving knowledge of the Lord" (Lawrence Richards, The Bible Reader's Companion, 1991, note on verses 48-49). God's great plan and purpose is to have us all come to detest evil, to love good and, with His help, to live accordingly?or our own sake and that of everyone else.

I hope the above puzzle has been solve to our Muhammad followers when they label our Holy Bible as porno because God do speak in parable and need time for us to understand the prohecy.

[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 02:21 PM ]

MENJ

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 01:59 PM



yet, it is like puzzle and u muhammad followers failed to understand.

Oh I think we very well know what this act is:

17And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.

Ohoho. This takes place only when a husband and wife is in bed together. Geddit?

- MENJ

MENJ

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-9-2006 02:15 PM
In the last two verses of the chapter, God gives "four purposes in judging His sinning people. To end wickedness in the land; to instruct other nations  of the consequences of unrighteousness; ...

Gangbang!

5And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,

6Which were clothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.

7Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.

8Neither left she her whoredoms brought from Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.

Holy shit! Christianity teaches you how to make a gangbang!

- MENJ

Truth.8

Originally posted by MENJ at 23-9-2006 02:34 PM


Oh I think we very well know what this act is:

17And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind  ...

u can read the translation and the meaning  I have pasted.

Originally posted by MENJ at 23-9-2006 02:37 PM



Gangbang!



Holy shit! Christianity teaches you how to make a gangbang!

- MENJ

Actually its a prophecy on future porn film producers on making gangbang, bestiality and other porn stuffs. Muahahaha
lol