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Post time 15-6-2009 06:10 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
Apa itu yang dimaksudkan dengan Existentialism dalam cabang falsapah...

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Post time 16-6-2009 01:29 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by thamrong at 15-6-2009 18:10

Apa itu yang dimaksudkan dengan Existentialism dalam cabang falsapah...


existentialism .. pernah belajar pasal ni sikit dulu, tapi tak paham

existentialism takde maksud yg khusus .. sbb maksudnya terlalu aa banyok

tapi .. dalam yg terlalu banyak tu, ada skop yg lebih kecik & khusus yg mungkin 'leh diperbincangkan'

ikut apa yg aku tau (+ingat) - "wujud", "nape wujud", "ntok apa wujud", "nilai wujud",
"wujud + bebas", "wujud + tak bebas", "wujud + pilihan", "wujud + tanpa/tiada pilihan"
& seterusnya semua itu (mungkin) saling berkait .. "wujud + pilihan = ?", "wujud + tak bebas = ?"
& bermemacam tema lagi yg semuanya berkaitan/tentang "wujud & kewujudan" - individu

tu antara bahagian2 kecik dalam existentialism ni aa

aku RASA, mungkin existentialism ni ada kaitan/lebih kepada moral, spiritualiti (agama) , nilai & attitude

checkout famous quote dalam bidang ni :

the thing is to find a truth which is true for me, to find the idea for which i can live and die
atau i must find the truth that is the truth for me .. the idea for which i can live or die

sorry .. tak dapat tolong bebanyok .. sbb aku sendrey cam kurang fa'am pasal subjek ni
mungkin ada pakar falsafah (redsinner? hehe) yg leh tolong kat sini

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 Author| Post time 17-6-2009 06:47 PM | Show all posts

Balas #2 naen\ catat

Walla! ada juga dikalangan kita yang sudi menyumbang idea tentang subjek ni......thanks.
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Post time 18-6-2009 04:17 PM | Show all posts

Reply #1 thamrong's post

let see what i can gather from the top of my head.

Existentialism is one of the extension of Husserl's phenomenology.
antara philosopher yg uphold existentialism is Heidegger.

phenomenology is the study of experience.
existentialism is the experience of existence. mcm gitula dia nyer relation.

that is a start...nanti red bukak balik buku tu...

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Post time 18-6-2009 08:38 PM | Show all posts

Reply #4 redsinner's post

pakar falsafah dah mai .. sila2 cek buku .. salah orang salah (post #2), leh mintak agul tarik balik thumb tu

orang baru je nak kaitkan existentialism ni dengan .. rambo

yg quote dia - "live 4 nothing, die 4 something" - ada kaitan ke nan hadooo?
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Post time 19-6-2009 03:29 PM | Show all posts

Balas #5 naen\ catat

best gak topik ni.. yg bijak pandai pls.. write something...
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 Author| Post time 20-6-2009 07:44 PM | Show all posts
Satu cabang falsapah yang mempersoalkan hal ujud. Soal yang paling asas sekali apakan itu ujud and tidak ujud (nothingness). Tokoh utama ialah Sǿren Kierkegaard membicarakan seorang insan atau individu sebagai subjek yang sedar tentang ujudnya. Walau pon sedar tentang dirinya tetapi maseh mencari-cari jawapan tentang tujuan mengapa ia diujudkan. Mengapa dilahirkan didunia ini? Adakah ini satu paksaan atau seksaan? Mengapa ianya tidak dirujukkan sebelum dilahir di dunia ini yang merupai 'time-trap'? Yang dialami bukan  utopia tetapi cabaran-cabaran yang membuat sesaorng itu kecewa. Tiada jalan keluar....Takwa pada agama adalah jawapan yang Sǿren pilih. Percaya pada kaedah agama tidak boleh dicabar dan ini namakan ' a leap into faith'.
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 Author| Post time 20-6-2009 08:20 PM | Show all posts
5# naen
Looking forward to red's earnest participation. thanks'
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Post time 20-6-2009 08:30 PM | Show all posts
So pada Thamrong, apa yang dimaksudkan dengan ujud dan tidk ujud?
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 Author| Post time 20-6-2009 09:41 PM | Show all posts
9# St.Yeepi
Frankly I myself don't know. That's why I am here...
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 Author| Post time 20-6-2009 10:31 PM | Show all posts
9# St.Yeepi
Kalaumengikut hujah metaphysics traditional yang diutarakan oleh Platoujud (existence) adalah hasil 'Law of causality' penyebab dan takujud (non-existence or nothing) satu yang tiada boleh diukur darikontek 'time and space' atau spatial/temporal. Permenides jugaberkata 'nothing' adalah satu konsep ' To speak of a thing, one hasto speak of a thing that exists. Since we can speak of a thing in thepast, it must still exist (in some sense) now and from this concludesthat there is no such thing as change'.
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Post time 20-6-2009 11:17 PM | Show all posts
Saya setuju dengan hujah traditional tersebut, sebab ruang dan waktu adalah kesan dari satu kewujudan yang lain........
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 Author| Post time 21-6-2009 02:17 AM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by thamrong at 21-6-2009 02:18

9# St.Yeepi
Dalam  kontek existentialism is membawa pengertian yang agak berlainan.Contoh disini, dalam  karya  existentialist unggul Jean-Paul Sarte 揃eing and Nothingness' ada dua jenis ujud atau 'being'.   Satu ialah 闧/font]tre-en-soi yang jelas  ujud saperti barang yang dirasa saperti kuching  dll. Satu lagi ialah 闧/font]tre-pour-soi saperti  kesedaran. Ia tidak ujud atau 'nothing' kerana kesedaran tidak ujud sebagai objek maka tidak mempunyi zat (essence).
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 Author| Post time 21-6-2009 02:22 AM | Show all posts
Dalam kontek existentialism is membawa pengertian yang agak berlainan. Contoh disini, dalam  karya  existentialist unggul Jean-Paul Sarte
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 Author| Post time 21-6-2009 03:06 AM | Show all posts
Maaf! double posting.
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Post time 21-6-2009 10:17 PM | Show all posts
Post Last Edit by hamizao at 21-6-2009 22:23

If I may start from the very beginning. ...with my basic understanding....people have always wanted to make sense of their life so that it gives them better meaning. Why should there be life, what is the point of it all...? Apart from the physical nature, those reasons that add value and meaning  to life  are what make life itself possible.This is the main focus of existentialism.

In the past, traditional beliefs such as stories told , Story of Gilgamesh etc...etc...whether or not they were true, have helped people make sense of their lives. With the advent of philosophy - where issues are to be analyzed in a more rational and logical manner existentialism has burst out louder only in the 20th century with the coming of the Industrial Revolution. You may probably be able to guess the reason for this!
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Post time 23-6-2009 08:44 PM | Show all posts
Being and Time by Martin Heidegger pun cerita tentang physicality of a person. Being and being is 2 different things and human are considered Being because of their positioning. meaning that they exist.
this text telah dikupas oleh my lecturer as human to appreciate time. maksudnye human existance only count there and then. mcm hami ckp, future and past tu dah lain because time in this case is not relevant. time being discussed is only valid now.

masa lecturer aku ckp2 tu kan, aku terpk pasal surah Al-'Asr - 'Demi Masa, sesungguhnye manusia itu dlm kerugian.....'

ada sesapa berani sambung?
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Post time 23-6-2009 09:03 PM | Show all posts
apalah korang nih...
menda senang jadik susah korang buat... hehehe

eksistentialisme ini ialah gerakan falsafah yg anggap manusia ni bebas sepenuhnya...
manusia dianggap takda fitrah...no essence.. kita yg tentukan apa dan siapa diri kita.. atau makna kewujudan (existence) kita...
we define ourselves...

mudahnya essence manusia datang selepas existence manusia....
existence then essence..

adakah kita ni kain putih?
tidak... sebab kita bukan apa2 atau siapa2...
kita sendirilah yg kemudian akan tentukan siapa diri kita...

antara tokohnya tentulah sartre... yg merespons hegel dan Nietzsche
yg lain2 termasuk jasper dan Kierkegaard
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Post time 23-6-2009 09:05 PM | Show all posts
basically existentialists menolak kewujudan tuhan...
tapi ada gak existentialists yg percaya tuhan... hehe... religious existentialist..
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Post time 23-6-2009 09:18 PM | Show all posts
petik kata thamrong kepercayaan agama ialah `a leap into faith'.

kenapa a leap... suatu lompatan jauh? sebab bagi mereka kepercayaan agama, belief, faith bukanlah sesuatu yg boleh dicapai oleh akal.. atau reason..
u need no reason to belief... atau belief is beyond reason...

pendapat seumpama ini dlm tradisi ilmu barat/kristian dah ada sejak zaman st. augustine lagi... itu yg buat faith/iman tu sesuatu yg mencabar dan indah kata mereka...

immanuel kant pun percaya gitu... faith is beyond reason

ahli falsafah lani macam mortimer adler pun caya gitu..

selagi sesuatu itu masih boleh dicapai oleh reason/akal maka iman tak boleh masuk campur...
tapi kalau reason/akal dah tak tercapai lagi dah... waktu itulah faith/iman baru ada peranan...

gitulah lebih kurang....

dalam islam camna?  terima tak menda nih? hehe
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