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Edited by maklukpenggoda at 23-11-2024 01:25 AM
The attack took place as Ukraine marked 1,000 days of war, with a fifth of Ukrainian territory in Moscow's hands and doubts about the future of Western support as Donald Trump heads back to the White House.
KYIV, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Ukraine used U.S. ATACMS missiles to strike Russian territory on Tuesday, taking advantage of newly granted permission from the outgoing administration of President Joe Biden on the war's 1,000th day.
Russia said its forces shot down five out of six missiles, which were fired at a military facility in the Bryansk region. Debris of one hit the facility, starting a fire that was swiftly put out and caused no casualties or damage, it said.
Ukraine said it struck a Russian arms depot about 110 km (70 miles) inside Russia in an attack that caused secondary explosions. Ukraine's military did not publicly specify what weapons it had used, but a Ukrainian government source and a U.S. official confirmed it had used ATACMS.
A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Russia was able to intercept two out of eight missiles fired by Ukraine and that the strike was at an ammunition supply point. Biden gave approval this week for Ukraine to use ATACMS, the longest-range missiles Washington has supplied, for such attacks inside Russia. Moscow has described their potential use as an escalation that would make Washington a direct combatant in the war and prompt Russian retaliation.
The permission to use ATACMS gives Ukraine a new U.S. ballistic missile capability inside Russia, although its range of up to 300 km is much shorter than that of some missiles Moscow has used to strike Ukraine, including its hypersonic Kinzhal weapon with a reported range of up to 2,000 km.
Military experts say using the U.S. missiles to attack positions so deep in Russia can help Ukraine defend a pocket of Russian territory it captured as a bargaining chip, but is not likely to have a decisive impact on the course of the 33-month-old war, in part because the move came far too late.
Moscow has said such weapons cannot be used without direct operational support from the United States, and therefore their use would make Washington a direct participant in the war.
On Tuesday, President Vladimir Putin signed a new nuclear doctrine that appeared intended as a warning to Washington. It lowers the threshold under which Russia might use atomic weapons to include responding to attacks that threaten its territorial integrity.
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Edited by capiloton at 20-11-2024 11:12 AM
perang 3 bukan di russia, ukraine vs nato, us
starting point ww3.
kapal perang paling banyak sedang standby mode,
paling banyak di laut melayu, laut nusantara
perang merebak & menuju ke Jerusalem/Palestine.
ending point.
malhamah kubro @ battle of armageddon.
prc sudah kepung seluruh malaysia.
prc mau ambil alih sabah dan sarawak.
guna proksi dan pengkhianat,
dari dalam sabah dan sarawak.
tunggu false flag dari US, WW3 akan di mulai.
wayang akhir jaman akan bermula.
mastermind nwo sedang buat percaturan.
letak org2 mereka di tempat strategik, like chess game.
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Hadiah Biden kepada Trump.. |
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Semoga kali ni benar2 la ww3 terjadi
Tazabar |
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Kremlin says Biden's Ukraine missile decision would escalate war, if true
By Guy Faulconbridge and Dmitry Antonov
November 19, 202412:08 AM GMT+8 Updated a day ago
Summary
Kremlin says U.S. decision is reckless and dangerous
Kremlin: U.S. would be directly involved in conflict
Russia will respond, Kremlin says
Russians say Moscow should hit back
Lawmaker says there are risks of world war
MOSCOW, Nov 18 (Reuters) - The Kremlin said on Monday that Russia would respond to what it called a reckless decision by Joe Biden's administration to allow Ukraine to fire American missiles deep into Russia, which it said would draw the United States directly into the conflict.
Russia has been warning the West for months about how it would interpret such a decision, saying it would raise the risk of a confrontation with the U.S.-led NATO alliance.
The New York Times and Reuters reported that Biden's administration had made the decision on long-range strikes, though there was no official confirmation from Washington.
"This decision is reckless, dangerous, aimed at a qualitative change, a qualitative increase in the level of involvement of the United States in this conflict," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said.
He said President Vladimir Putin had made Russia's position clear when speaking in St Petersburg in September.
Putin said on Sept. 12 that Western approval for such a step would mean "the direct involvement of NATO countries, the United States and European countries in the war in Ukraine" because NATO military infrastructure and personnel would have to be involved in the targeting and firing of the missiles.
"It is obvious that the outgoing administration in Washington intends to take steps to continue adding fuel to the fire and continue to provoke tension around this conflict," Peskov said.
Sources quoted by the New York Times and Reuters presented the U.S. move as partly in response to the reported arrival of North Korean soldiers in Russia's Kursk region to help repel a Ukrainian incursion.
U.S. Deputy National Security Adviser Jon Finer said Russia had escalated the conflict with "the deployment of a foreign country's forces on its own territory". Russian officials say they can deploy whatever forces they want within Russia.
RUSSIA'S NUCLEAR DOCTRINE CHANGED
A Ukrainian service member from the special police unit Hyzhak (Predator) fires a howitzer D30 towards Russian troops, amid Russia's attack on Ukraine, near the frontline city of Toretsk, Ukraine October 25, 2024. REUTERS
One Russian official close to the Kremlin who spoke on condition of anonymity said the U.S. move, if confirmed, was an extremely provocative one for an outgoing administration but would not change the outcome of the war.
Ukraine controls about 650 sq km (250 sq miles) of territory in Kursk, while Russia, which is advancing faster than at any time since the start of the war, controls more than 110,500 sq km of Ukraine, according to open source maps.
Some Russians criticised the U.S. move.
"We should hit back," said Alexander, a 71-year-old who asked for his name not to be used. "The centres that control these missiles and the American bases around NATO should also be hit."
Ukraine's seizure of a piece of the Kursk region this year marked the first time U.S. weapons had been used on internationally recognised sovereign Russian soil since Russia sent troops into Ukraine in early 2022.
"Biden's administration is trying to escalate the situation to the maximum while they still have power and are still in office," Russian lawmaker Maria Butina told Reuters.
"I have a great hope that (Donald) Trump will overcome this decision if this has been made because they are seriously risking the start of World War Three, which is not in anybody's interest."
Russian officials have repeatedly cautioned that the West is playing with fire by probing the limits of what a nuclear power might or might not tolerate.
Putin has changed Russia's nuclear doctrine to say that any conventional attack on Russia aided by a nuclear power could be considered to be a joint attack on Russia.
In late October, Putin said his defence ministry was working on different ways to respond if the United States and its NATO allies helped Ukraine to strike deep into Russia with long-range Western missiles.
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puting : saya bagi amaran ni
russia klu kuat dah lama ukraine tu kne takluk .. bukan dia je ada nukeler |
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Bosan .aku rasa dah berpuluh tahun meratib ww3 neh |
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Biden's move on missiles for Ukraine angers Trump allies
1 day ago
Paulin Kola and Phil McCausland
BBC News
President Joe Biden's apparent green light for Ukraine to strike Russia with US-made long-range missiles has caused consternation among some of Donald Trump's allies.
Trump himself has not commented, but he won the election after promising to end the war - and several people close to him have condemned the move as dangerous escalation.
Biden has committed tens of billions of dollars to Kyiv's war effort, and at the weekend he reportedly ditched a long-standing red line on Ukraine's use of American weaponry to launch attacks deep into Russia.
Donald Trump Jr tweeted that the president was trying to "get World War Three going" before his father took office.
Biden's decision has not been formally confirmed and it may never be.
When asked about how typical it would be for a presidential administration to take such a significant policy decision in its final months, State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said that Biden was "elected to a four year-term, not a term of three years and 10 months."
"We will use every day of our term to pursue policy interests that we believe are in the interests of the American people," he said. "If the incoming administration wants to take a different view, that is, of course, their right to do so."
"There's one president at a time," he added. "When the next president takes office, he can make his own decisions."
Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said no such announcement was forthcoming - "missiles will speak for themselves".
Trump's camp is not pleased
Trump swept to victory on 5 November and is due to be back in the White House for a second term from 20 January next year.
Trump has campaigned on a promise to end the US involvement in wars and instead use taxpayers' money to improve Americans' lives.
He has said he will bring the Russia-Ukraine war to an end within 24 hours, without saying how.
One thing is certain, though: Trump has always seen himself as a dealmaker and will not want Biden to take any such credit.
His son, Donald Trump Jr, was among the first Republicans to respond.
"The military industrial complex seems to want to make sure they get World War Three going before my father has a chance to create peace and save lives," he said.
Another vocal Trump supporter, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, condemned Biden, too.
"The American people gave a mandate on Nov 5th against these exact America last decisions and do NOT want to fund or fight foreign wars. We want to fix our own problems," she wrote on X.
Not all of Trump's allies, including some who advised him on national security affairs during his first term, shared this view - though they were critical of the Biden administration's approach.
James Gilmore, who served as Trump's ambassador to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, told the BBC that the main issue with Biden's decision to provide Ukraine this new capability is that it came so late in the war.
"My criticism of Biden is the same as every other conservative and supporter of Trump - which is that the Biden administration slow walked this," he said.
Gilmore said he did not know what the president-elect would choose to do regarding Ukraine once he entered office. "I don't believe that he's a man that usually walks away," he said.
Polls suggest a large number of Republicans want US support for Ukraine to stop - 62% told a poll by Pew Research the US had no responsibility to support the country against Russia.
Senator JD Vance, who will be Trump's vice-president, has regularly objected to providing arms to Ukraine. He argued that the US lacks the manufacturing capacity to continue providing weapons like the missile systems that Kyiv will use to strike within Russia.
Gilmore, however, said the US was able to backfill and upgrade its weapon systems through this process, but he said the US's European allies would need to take on a bigger role.
"President Trump is exactly right about this - the alliance is stronger when Western European countries step up to the plate," he said. "The United States cannot continue to act alone. The taxpayer won't permit it, the next administration won't permit it, and I wouldn't, either."
Putin is also silent
Since launching the full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Russia's president has been railing against the US-led Nato alliance - and described every pledge of military support by the Western allies for Ukraine as a direct involvement and warned of retribution.
His spokesman said on Monday that the US was "adding fuel to the fire".
At times, Putin has mooted the possibility of using nuclear weapons, too.
Few believe this may come to pass as, under the mutual-destruction doctrine established during the Cold War when nuclear arsenals were built up, Putin knows their use would bring untold suffering to all, including Russians.
But the Russian leader will be fully aware of the magnitude of the threat of Western-supplied long-range missiles.
The Institute for the Study of War, a think tank, has published a map of 225 Russian military installations within range of ATACMS.
Former US envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, said Biden's decision would enable Ukraine "to go after airfields, the ammunition depots and the fuels supplies, logistics that Russia has, which right now are in a sanctuary zone in Russia".
Biden's decision will cause Russia to be more cautious, Volker told the BBC.
Dismissing Putin's threats, he said the Russian leader "should have anticipated that there would be efforts by Ukraine to fire back".
Ukraine has had ATACMS as well as UK and French Storm Shadow missiles of similar range for some time, though the numbers are not known. But it has not been allowed to use them inside Russia.
France and the UK are expected to follow the US lead and issue the same authorisation to Ukraine. So far, they have not commented.
White House officials are emphasising to US media that Biden's change of heart is in response to Russia’s deployment of North Korean troops - a signal to Pyongyang not to send any more.
Gilmore, Trump's OSCE ambassador, told the BBC that he believes it is "Putin who has escalated the war" by deploying North Korean soldiers, and the US cannot "just stand aside and let this dictator go ahead and conquer Ukraine".
"I don't like it and I take it all very seriously, but the decision is not ours. The decision is being forced upon us by Putin - by the dictator," he said.
The move also follows a barrage of Russian attacks on Ukraine in recent days.
One strike on Odesa on Monday killed 10 people, including seven policemen, and injured 47 others.
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Risk of nuclear war high, European countries ask people to stock up food, water
World War III might not be too far, some countries believe. While US President Joe Biden has supplied the US with long-range American missiles, Vladimir Putin has decreased the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons in Russia. Nato countries, afraid, issued pamphlets to their citizens, advising them on how to prepare for World War III.
After Ukraine received the ATACMS, a long-range guided missile from the US, many Nato countries are now preparing for a war. (Image: Lockheed Martin)
India Today World Desk
New Delhi,UPDATED: Nov 20, 2024 08:09 IST
Written By: Priyanjali Narayan
In Short
Vladimir Putin lowers nuclear weapon use threshold
Move comes after Ukraine uses US long-range missiles, escalating conflict with Russia
Nato countries issue war preparedness pamphlets to citizens
The chilling threat of a nuclear war seems closer than ever. On Tuesday, President Vladimir Putin lowered the threshold when Russia could use nuclear weapons. This came even as Ukraine fired six long-range American missiles at targets inside Russia. Nato countries, feeling the chill, issued pamphlets to their citizens, advising them on how to prepare for a war.
In the pamphlets, Sweden warned its residents to "shelter" amid fears of nuclear war breaking out, according to The Mirror of the UK. The pamphlet, issued just five times since World War II, has been sent to every Swedish household.
Norway also issued emergency pamphlets advising people to manage for a week in case of an emergency, including an all-out war.
In a dangerous escalation to the Ukraine-Russia war, Ukrainian forces late on Tuesday fired six US-made long-range missiles at Russia’s Bryansk region, the Russian Defence Ministry said. This will be seen as a major provocation by Moscow, and a forceful retaliation is likely.
SHELTER TO PREPARE RATIONS, NATO COUNTRIES TO CITIZENS
Many Nato countries are asking their citizens to be prepared for a war.
Denmark has already sent emails to its citizens to stock up on dry rations, water and medicines so that they could manage for three days of emergency, including a nuclear attack.
Finland, too, updated its online brochure on "preparing for incidents and crises" amid the escalating Russia-Ukraine war.
While Finland joined the US-led Nato military grouping last year, Sweden joined in March this year after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
The panic amongst the Nato countries comes after US President Joe Biden allowed Ukraine to use long-range missiles that have a powerful blast impact to attack targets deep inside Russia.
The US-made missiles are known as Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) and have a range of over 300km.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has made clear his intentions of using those missiles against Russia.
"Today, much is being said in the media about us receiving permission for the relevant actions. But strikes are not made with words. Such things are not announced. The missiles will speak for themselves," Zelenskyy said.
UKRAINE GETS LONG-RANGE MISSILES, NATO WARNS
It was in response to this that Putin lowered the threshold for Russia to use nuclear weapons on the 1,000th Day of the Russia-Ukraine War.
He signed a revised nuclear doctrine declaring that a conventional attack on Russia by any nation that is supported by a nuclear power would be considered a joint attack on his country, according to an Associated Press report.
Simply put, it means Russia would consider using nuclear weapons against a non-nuclear state if it is supported by nuclear powers.
Russia is a nuclear power, having one of the largest nuclear warheads in the world, while Ukraine gave up its entire nuclear stockpile. Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear arsenal, then the world's third largest and inherited from the Soviet Union, in 1994. But Ukraine is backed by several nuclear powers, including the US.
US President-elect Donald Trump's son, Donald Trump Jr, claimed on Monday that Biden was trying to start World War III before his father took over.
"The Military Industrial Complex seems to want to make sure they get World War 3 going before my father has a chance to create peace and save lives. Gotta lock in those $Trillions. Life be damned!!! Imbeciles!" he wrote on X.
There is no doubt that the war between Russia and Ukraine, which started on February 24, 2022, has widened and placed the world on the edge. Russia has engaged North Korean soldiers on the frontlines.
The preparation for war also depends on if a nation borders with Russia.
Finland has been more cautious about a world war due to its long border with Russia and its experience of war with the Soviet Union in World War II.
But Sweden has only started gearing up for a World War recently.
These guides comprise what to do in case of different scenarios and ask citizens to protect themselves in case of a crisis.
Finns were questioned on how they would fend for themselves in the winter temperatures as low as -20C.
Their list includes iodine tablets and easy to cook food, pet food and a backup power supply.
The Swedish checklist involves potatoes, cabbage, carrots and eggs and bolognese sauce, prepared blueberry and rosehip soup.
Several countries of Nato now fear a war and are gearing up for it.
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ramai wanita2 melayu masih bouncing their tits on tiktok...that is nuclear to me! |
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Gila nato sendiri pun dah bagi umum persediaan jika berlaku perang. .. ni tandanya tak mau surut ni, jika escalate perang.. perang tetap ku hadapi
Nato countries, afraid, issued pamphlets to their citizens, advising them on how to prepare for World War III. |
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Kerajaan kena bagi tau rakyat sekarang supaya stock pile makanan sebesar piramid dan teruskan program penghasiulan makanan di negara sendiiri.. harap-harap ufo datang menyerang, itu jer jalan umat manusia bersatu untuk melawan alien |
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boleh buat personal loan max dengan harapan negara berada dalam kancah perang macam di Ukraine dan tak perlu bayar
sekadar bergurau, jangan serius sangat....
si Biden bagi greenlight dekat pakcik Kiev, saja nak bagi Trump susah sikit naik opis next year... |
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Korang yang beriya2 nk perang2 ni dah bersedia dari mental fizikal ke jangan ingat kita tak kena tempias. |
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kotakbaju replied at 20-11-2024 10:18 PM
Korang yang beriya2 nk perang2 ni dah bersedia dari mental fizikal ke jangan ingat kita tak kena t ...
dorang tu bersedia nak mati "syahid" . selalu baca dorang tulis rela mati dari terseksa atau bersusah. Dah puas hidup kot. Atau dah bosan hidup |
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kepompong replied at 20-11-2024 10:25 PM
dorang tu bersedia nak mati "syahid" . selalu baca dorang tulis rela mati dari terseksa atau bersu ...
Kalau dah penuh bekalan untuk dibawa ke dunia sana ok la nak mati syahid. Lagi satu dah settle segala urusan duniawi. |
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Aku kesian tengok lembu2 mati dibunuh tentera Russia.
Its too much....aku rasa aku menyebelah Ukraine
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