ATGM Options For Malaysia Army (April'07 Tempur edition)

tin

sistem modular?

sistem modular apa ni bro? term tuh general sangat laaa...

mau buat produk, kena ada duit untuk R&D.

bygkan, berapa buah kompeni je yang ada duit byk untuk buat R&D? alangkan STRIDE punya budget pon asyik kena potong je memanjang

bila byk duit dilaburkan untuk R&D, produk akan jadi mahal tapi mungkin tak setanding dgn produk luar.

itulah sebabnya kita lebih tertumpu kpd pembelian sistem persenjataan drp luar sebab harga dan mutu/ keupayaan yang berpatutan berbanding apa yg ditawarkan oleh sykt tempatan.

ini adalah salah satu dilema kerajaan. haruskah kerajaan berbelanja beso memberi peralatan yang kurang drp keupayaan semata- mata untuk menyokong industri pertahanan tempatan atau membeli drp luar dgn harga yg lebih murah dan keupayaan yang lebih tinggi? sudah tentu rakyat mahukan more bang for their bucks.

salah satu cara kerajaan cuba untuk menyelesaikan masalah ini adalah dgn meletakkan klausa ToT dan JV untuk membolehkan syarikat tempatan mendapat teknologi, know how dan membuka pasaran dunia kpd mereka.

contoh terbaik adalah simulator. skrg ni kita pakai semua buatan tempatan punya. ini adalah hasil drp ToT dan know how drp Canada masa kita beli Hornet dulu. skrg ni dgrnya training utk Adnan pon pakai simulator buatan tempatan.

tin

Industri pertahanan Iran lahir drp keperluan yg mendesak.

sampai sekarang depa takleh beli drp negara luar selain Rusia dan China.

mmg nampak gah tapi drp segi kualiti dan reliability mcm mana?

areguard

A C802 Iranian chinese-copy missile hampir menenggelamkan frigate Israel. Good enuf kut??

malberi8

bro..wa dah try simulator Adnan tu hampeh le...neighbour gua terlibat dengan projek tuh, software semua off the shelf, hardware tu adelah yang SAPURA buat..
ToT  semata2 tak berguna gak jika technology tu tak kita kembangkan atau kita pasarkan.. kalu setakat nak pakai 10-15  unit untuk kegunaan sendiri tak berbaloi la nak buat ToT.. kos tinggi..

[ Last edited by  malberi8 at 20-10-2008 11:43 AM ]

tin

mana2 ASM pon boleh menenggelamkan kapal.

Noor is Iranian copy of C802 which is Chinese copy of the Exocet   

cuba tgk balik, kenapa dia boleh belasah itu kapal.

BTW, if I'm not mistaken, its a Sa'ar 5 Corvette, not a frigate and are you sure that it was a Noor that hit INS Hanit?

[ Last edited by  tin at 20-10-2008 12:14 PM ]

tin

my point exactly.

kalo lu rasa simulator tuh hampeh, bolehkah dia bertanding dgn simulator keluaran luar negara? dah nampak sebab kenapa gomen beli sistem drp luar?

ToT ini perlu supaya sykt tempatan boleh berada "at par" dgn sykt luar negara drp segi teknologi dan knowhow.  harapannya depa mampu berdikari. tapi kalo depa masih nak dok bergantung harap dgn kontrak mindef, apa gomen boleh buat?

kita boleh tolong, tapi kalo nak teroka pasaran luar pon kena mau gomen paksa, susah laaa...

sendiri mau senang, sendiri kena usaha la. sampai bila mau gomen tolong?

malberi8

..itu la orang kita nak cepat kaya je.. daya usahawanan dan daya saing langsung tarak.. yg depa pandai pun dok kikis duit gomen = duit rakyat!!

kalu x dapat tender dah bising macam kling mabuk..

areguard

Hizbullah hits Israel's INS Hanit with anti-ship missile

By Alon Ben-David JDW Correspondent
on the Israeli-Lebanese border

Israel's INS Hanit, a Eilat (Sa'ar 5)-class missile corvette, was struck on 14 July by an Iranian-made C-802 Noor (Tondar) radar-guided anti-ship missile, fired by Hizbullah from Beirut.

"We were not aware that Hizbullah possessed this kind of missile," said Rear Admiral Noam Faig, Israel Navy (IN) head of operations, told Jane's.

"We are familiar with that missile from other areas but assumed that the threat was not present in Lebanon."

The Noor, based on the Chinese C-802, was reported to have a 200 km range during manoeuvres conducted by the Iranian Navy in April 2005

tin

Intel. flaw to blame in INS Hanit attack
Oct. 16, 2006
Yaakov Katz , THE JERUSALEM POST

A panel investigating the navy's failure to prevent a missile attack that killed four sailors aboard the INS Hanit in the first week of the war in Lebanon has cited a major intelligence flaw, but decided against recommending sanctions against naval officers.

On Monday, the committee led by Brig.-Gen. (res.) Nir Maor presented findings from its investigation into the July 14 missile attack against the Hanit as it patrolled off the coast of Beirut to Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz. Four sailors were killed in the attack when an Iranian C-802 radar-guided missile struck the Sa'ar 5-class missile ship. The missile was made in China but underwent upgrades in Iran, from where it was then delivered to Hizbullah.

For a Jerusalem Online video of events click here

Senior naval officers admitted at the time that they were taken by surprise, claiming that they did not know Hizbullah possessed such advanced capabilities, and as a result had deactivated the Barak missile defense system on the ship, which was capable of intercepting and destroying the missile.

The Hanit is Israel's most advanced missile ship and boasts an array of Harpoon and Barak antimissile missiles, along with a system for electronically jamming incoming missiles and other threats.

Maor presented the findings to Halutz but was ordered to continue with the investigation. Navy sources said Halutz was not satisfied with the findings presented to him on Monday and asked that additional work be done before presenting the final conclusions.

In the report, Maor found flaws in the transmission of intelligence information from Military Intelligence to Naval Intelligence and to the commanders of the missile ships.

Navy officials claimed that they did not have the information that would have enabled them to understand that Hizbullah was in possession of advanced anti-ship radar-guided missiles. Military Intelligence claims that the information was transmitted to the Navy three years ago.

again, how sure are we that it was a Noor?

hyazinth79

sebenarnya kita pun dah banyak pencapaian yg kita dapat , taming sari cthnya, nak bandingkan ngan produk luar mmg susahlah sikit , persoalannya bila dapat tot atau lesen , dan kita bangunkan produk, mmg kita dpt hasilkan sendiri benda tu, masalahnya ada ke follow up utk kembangkan lagi sistem itu, akhirnya masalah peruntukan tetap jd persoalan.

tin

tugas Stride, antara lain adalah membantu syarikat tempatan untuk melaksanakan R&D.

mcm Taming Sari, mana sykt tempatan yang tampil mau sumbang grant ka, beli production rights ka?

satu lagi, grant R&D paling beso kat negara kita ni adalah di tangan IPTA. tapi sikit sangat yg amik inisiatif mau JV dgn IPTA buat R&D.

semua lebih suka jadi org tengah org luar. ayat lelebih sket pastuh mark-up bebanyak pastuh bila kontrak dah sign, memasing cuci tangan