the ultimate truth.

najib888

Mmg susah nak cari ultimate truth ni..
Bagi aku,  ultimate truth ni takde la penting sangat. Malah, aku rasa tak kan jumpe kot sepanjang hidup ni. Yg paling penting & berharga bagi aku adalah cara bagaimana kita berusaha untuk mencapai atau menuju ke destinasi the ultimate truth...
Macam our purpose of life... Sbb ape kita dihidupkan dalam dunia ni? Ape tujuannya.. Kalau kita tak wujud kat dunia ni, kita kat mana sekarang? Kalau dah di takdirkan ke neraka, perlukah aku berusaha utk ke syurga? Dan bermacam2 lagi la.. Bnyk yg kita tak tahu...

Dan, kalau kita sedar banyak yg kita tak tahu, itu pun adalah salah satu signal permulaan utk kita berusaha mencari kebenaran hakiki..

Destinasi tak penting(jika percaya adanya kehidupan selepas mati); cara/kaedah dalam menuju destinasi tu yg perlu kita pikirkan...

Mereben teruk plak aku hr ni :lol

NorAddin

najib888 posted on 1-1-2014 01:09 AM
Mmg susah nak cari ultimate truth ni..
Bagi aku,  ultimate truth ni takde la penting sangat. Malah, ...

Destinasi tak penting(jika percaya adanya kehidupan selepas mati); cara/kaedah dalam menuju destinasi tu yg perlu kita pikirkan...

destination itu penting kerana thatz d'end of journey ..
ia adalah path yang mana kita hendak tuju ..
baru lah ada tujuan hidup itu ..
purposeful .. not purposeless ..
kerana ada destination .. where we are going ..

then baru kita cari kaedah nya yang betul ..
untuk tujuan itu .. menuju kearah penamat .. yang ada matlamat ..

destination adalah goal yang mesti achieve ..

midori888

sebut truth...tetiba aku tingat dialog citer A Few Good Men...

Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee (Tom Cruise): I think I'm entitled to them.
Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I want the truth!
Jessep: You can't handle the truth!


semua org sibuk nak tau d truth bout something....but knowing the truth sajer nak buat aper...if we cannot accept the truth...

thessailly

ultimate truth = ultimate reality = ALLAH

wei_loon5063

hasell posted on 8-12-2013 03:42 AM
aku tak tau apa yang TT nakkan dari ultimate truth.. tp dulu aku pun ada persoalan ni juga..

APA  ...

THE FIVE AGGREGATES
                     

This is the last in the series of twelve sessions             that we have spent together, and in this last session we are going             to look at the teaching of the five aggregates (Skandhas): Rupa, Vedana,             Samjna, Samskara and Vijnana. In other words, we are going to look             at the Buddhist analysis of personal experience or the Buddhist analysis             of the personality.

         

Throughout the last lectures, I have had occasions             a number of times to make the point that Buddhist teachings have been             found relevant to modern life and thought in the fields of science,             psychology and so forth. Here, in regard to the analysis of personal             experience into the five aggregates, this is also the case. Modern             psychologists and psychiatrists have been particularly interested             in this analysis. It has even been suggested that in the Abhidharma             and in the analysis of personal experience into the five aggregates,             we have a psychological equivalent to the table of elements worked             out in modern science. What we have in the Buddhist analysis of personal             experience is a very careful inventory and evaluation of the elements             of our experience.

         

What we are going to do today is basically an extension             and a refinement of what we were doing at the end of last week’s             lecture. There, we spent some time on the teachings of impermanence,             suffering and notself. In the course of looking at the teaching on             not-self, we have explored briefly how the analysis of personal experience             can be carried out along two lines, and that is with regard to the             body, and with regard to the mind. You will recall that we have examined             the body and mind to see whether in either of them we can locate the             self, and we have found that the self is not to be found in either             of them. We have concluded that the name ‘self’ is just             a convenient term for a collection of physical and mental factors,             in the same way that the name ‘forest’ is just a convenient             term for a collection of trees. This week, we are going to take our             analysis still further, and rather than looking at personal experience             simply in terms of body and mind, we are going to analyze personal             experience in terms of the five aggregates.

         

Let us first look at the aggregate of matter or form             (Rupa). The aggregate of form corresponds to what we would call material             or physical factors. It includes not only our own bodies, but also             the material objects that surround us - the earth, the oceans, the             trees, the buildings, and so forth. Specifically, the aggregate of             form includes the five physical sense organs and the corresponding             physical objects of the sense organs. These are the eyes and visible             objects, the ears and sound, the nose and smell, the tongue and taste,             and the skin and tangible objects.

         

But physical elements by themselves are not enough             to produce experience. The simple contact between the eyes and visible             objects, or between the ears and sound cannot result in experience             without consciousness (Vijnana). The eyes can be in conjunction with             the visible object indefinitely without producing experience. The             ears too can be exposed to sound indefinitely without producing experience.             Only the co-presence of consciousness together with the sense organ             and the object of the sense organ produces experience. In other words,             it is when the eyes, the visible object and consciousness come together             that the experience of a visible object is produced. Consciousness             is therefore an indispensable element in the production of experience.

         

Before we go on to our consideration of the mental             factors of personal experience, I would like to mention briefly the             existence of one more set of an organ and its object, and here I speak             of the sixth-sense -the mind. This is in addition to the five physical             sense organs - eyes, ears, nose, tongue and skin. Just as the five             physical sense organs have their corresponding physical objects, the             mind has for its object ideas or properties (dharmas). And as in the             case of the five physical sense organs, consciousness is present to             unite the mind and its object so as to produce experience.

         

Let us now look at the mental factors of experience             and let us see if we can understand how consciousness turns the physical             factors of experience into personal conscious experience. First of             all, we must remember that consciousness is mere awareness, or mere             sensitivity to an object. When the physical factors of experience,             as for example the eyes and a visible object, come into contact, and             when consciousness too becomes associated with the physical factors             of experience, visual consciousness arises. This is mere awareness             of a visible object, not anything like what we could call personal             experience. The way that our personal experience is produced is through             the functioning of the other three major mental factors of experience             and they are the aggregate of feeling, the aggregate of perception             and the aggregate of mental formation or volition. These three aggregates             function to turn this mere awareness of the object into personal experience.

         

The aggregate of feeling or sensation (Vedana) is             of three kinds - pleasant, unpleasant and indifferent. When an object             is experienced, that experience takes on one of these emotional tones,             either the tone of pleasure, or the tone of displeasure, or the tone             of indifference.

         

Let us next look at the aggregate of perception (Samjna).             This is an aggregate which many people find difficult to understand.             When we speak of perception, we have in mind the activity of recognition,             or identification. In a sense, we are talking about the attaching             of a name to an object of experience. The function of perception is             to turn an indefinite experience into an identified and recognized             experience. Here, we are speaking of the formulation of a conception             of an idea about a particular object. Just as with feeling where we             have a emotional element in terms of pleasure, displeasure or indifference;             with perception, we have a conceptual element in the sense of introducing             a definite, determinate idea about the object of experience.

         

Finally, there is the aggregate of mental formation             or volition (Samskara). This aggregate may be described as a conditioned             response to the object of experience. In this sense, it partakes of             the meaning of habit as well. We have spent some time discussing the             component of mental formation when we considered the twelve components             of dependent origination. You will remember that on that occasion,             we described mental formation as the impression created by previous             actions, the habit energy stored up from countless former lives. Here,             as one of the five aggregates also, the aggregate of mental formation             plays a similar role. But it has not only a static value, it also             has a dynamic value because just as our reactions are conditioned             by former deeds, so are our responses here and now motivated and directed             in a particular way by our mental formation or volition. Mental formation             or volition therefore has a moral dimension just as perception has             a conceptual dimension, and feeling has a emotional dimension. You             will notice I use the terms mental formation and volition together.             This is because each of these terms represents one half of the meaning             of Samskara - mental formation represents the half that comes from             the past, and volition represents the half that functions here and             now. So mental formation and volition function to determine our responses             to the objects of experience and these responses have moral consequences             in the sense of wholesome, unwholesome or neutral.

         

We can now see how the physical and mental factors             of experience worked together to produce personal experience. To make             this a little clearer, let us take the help of a couple of concrete             examples. Let us say after today’s lecture you decide to take             a walk in the garden. As you walk in the garden, your eyes come into             contact with a visible object. As your attention focuses on that visible             object, your consciousness becomes aware of visible object as yet             indeterminate. Your aggregate of perception will identify that visible             object as, let us say, a snake. Once that happens, you will respond             to that visible object with the aggregate of feeling - the feeling             of displeasure, or more specifically that of fear. Finally, you will             react to that visible object with the aggregate of mental formation             or volition, with the intentional action of perhaps running away or             perhaps picking up a stone.

         

In all our daily activities, we can see how all the             five aggregates work together to produce personal experience. At this             very moment, for instance, there is contact between two elements of             the aggregate of form - the sound of my voice and your ears. Your             consciousness becomes aware of the sound of my voice. Your aggregate             of perception identifies the words that I am speaking. Your aggregate             of feeling responds with an emotional response - pleasure, displeasure             or indifference. Your aggregate of mental formation or volition responds             with a conditioned reaction - sitting in attention, daydreaming or             perhaps yawning. We can analyze all our personal experience in terms             of the five aggregates.

         

There is one point that has to be remembered regarding             the nature of the five aggregates, and that is that each and all of             them are in constant change. The elements that constitute the aggregate             of form are impermanent and are in a state of constant change. We             discussed this last week - the body grows old, weak, sick and so forth.             The things around us are also impermanent and change constantly. Our             feelings too are constantly changing. We may respond today to a particular             situation with a feeling of pleasure. To-morrow, we may respond to             that same situation with the feeling of displeasure. Today we may             perceive an object in a particular way. At a later time, under different             circumstances, our perception will change. In semi-darkness we perceive             a rope to be a snake. The moment the light of the torch falls upon             that object, we perceive it to be a rope. So our perceptions like             our feelings and like the material objects of our experience are ever             changing and impermanent. So too, our mental formations are impermanent             and ever-changing. We alter our habits. We can learn to be kind and             compassionate. We can acquire the attitudes of renunciation and equanimity             and so forth. Consciousness too is impermanent and constantly changing.             Consciousness arises dependent upon an object and a sense organ. It             cannot exist independently. As we have seen, all the physical and             mental factors of our experience like our bodies, the physical objects             around us, our minds and our ideas are impermanent and constantly             changing. All these aggregates are constantly changing and impermanent.             They are processes, not things. They are dynamic, not static.

          What is the use of this analysis of personal experience             in terms of the five aggregates? What is the use of this reduction             of the apparent unity of personal experience into the various elements             of form, feeling, perception, mental formation or volition, and consciousness?             The purpose of this analysis is to create the wisdom of not-self.             What we wish to achieve is to arrive at a way of experiencing the             world which is not constructed upon and around the idea of a self.             We want to see personal experience in terms of processes, in terms             of impersonal functions rather than in terms of a self and what affects             a self because this will create an attitude of equanimity, an attitude             which will help us overcome the emotional disturbances of hope and             fear. We hope for happiness, we fear pain. We hope for praise, we             fear blame. We hope for gain, we fear loss. We hope for fame, we fear             infamy. We live in a state of alternating between hope and fear. We             experience these hopes and fears because we understand happiness and             pain and so forth in terms of the self. We understand them as personal             happiness and pain, as personal praise and blame, and so forth. But             once we understand them in terms of impersonal processes, and once             through this understanding we get rid of the idea of the self, we             can overcome hope and fear. We can regard happiness and pain, praise             and blame and all the rest with equanimity, with even-mindedness,             and we will then no longer be subject to the imbalance of alternating             between hope and fear.

contoh :

wei loon is the name they call this self,
the self that wei loon is referring to does not exist,
wei loon is only compilation of 5 aggregates.

ini adalah ultimate truth dlm buddhism.

(tiada unsur tuhan tiada unsur kepercayaan tiada unsur mistik)

anda baca, anda tanya sendiri anda cabar sendiri, semua pasal anda, bukan sape sape

jom, ikut saya buat eksperimen yang teramat senang

relax dulu,

fikir dalam otak yang anda akan ambil tangan naik,tapak tangan anda akan buka tutup berulang ulang,

OK, siap fikir dah,

now,







ambil tapak tangan, anda, buat cam anda fikir, buka tutup buka tutup, now, fikir cam tadi u fikir, buka tutup, buka tutup,

ADAKAH, tapak tangan anda buka tutup seperti yang anda fikir, adakah fikiran anda yang tadi nak buka tutup itu yang menguasai tapak tangan ada?  adakah buka tutup tapak tangan adalah terlalu natural/semula jadi?


P/S
BUddhism tak pernah jadi agama, buddhism adalah perkataan yang mat saleh kasi untuk ajaran buddha, buddha itu bermaksud awakened one, buddha bukan tuhan(dia tak claim sendiri), buddha bukan nabi(dia tak claim pun), dia ajar dhamma(perkataan sanskrit yang bermaksud REALITY)

hasell

wei_loon5063 posted on 2-5-2014 03:00 PM
contoh :

wei loon is the name they call this self,

tq for the exercise
tp tak faham, adakah tuan nak katakan yg self/diri kita di dalam akan buat perkara itu dulu then barulah fizikal akan apply?

dari latihan tu, mmg jasad saya lakukan sebagaimana di fikirkan. bila sy nak buat yg bertentangan dgn pemikiran tadi, hati sy cepat2 react dgn bagi signal ala2 warning atau 'just follow the lead'

even sy moslem, tp suka mengkaji pelbagai agama, cam budhaa, hinduisme, jehovah, kabbalah.. sebab at the end, sy 'nampak' ketuhanan tu. ia bukanlah idolship. tetapi beyond the realm. Dlm islam pun ALLAH itu adalah nama bagi dzat(source) yang di anggap/syahadah/saksi sebagai TUHAN. Bila faham kaitan tu, sy respect semua agama as long tak melanggar kemanusiaan.


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wei_loon5063

"self adalah satu ilusi"

self ini bermaksud, eternal/singular/one entiti/concept yang kami panggil diri sendiri.

5 aggregate adalah bermaksud

body/form
-bayi ke kanak ke dewasa. banyak cell, banyak organ, banyak bahagian otak. cell mempunyai nucleus/ada otak dan jalan sendiri, dapatkan kau kawal? malah 80% daripada badan anda adalah cell/bacteria/virus. otak anda ada beberapa bahagian. left brain, right brain. setiap kawal setiap bahagian.
manakah ANDA dalam sini?
ANDA cuma adalah kombinasi seluruh benda. dan badan anda sentiasa berubah(cell mati, darah mati,neuron mati, cell baru, darah baru, neuron baru jana). mana ada kekal?

percepsi
pandangan anda terhadap satu benda. percepsi anda sentiasa berubah. cth RM 10 mungkin banyak masa kecik, dan biasa bila remaja dan tak ada nilai bila dewasa

perasaan
perasaan anda pun berubah ubah. gembira, sedih, dll...
5 panca indera- (sini dhamma cakap 6) dimana ke enam adalah consciouness. tanpa consciousness, tiada yang dilihat. cth. apa mata yg lihat tanpa otak/consciouness yang nampak/process informasi dari mata/hidung/kulit/teliga/lidah. ?

volition/will power/kehendak
ni yang menjanakan aksi badan.

consciousness
di mana anda SEDAR bahawa dunia anda. DUNIA sini maksud kombinasi kelima2 aggregate & otak anda process informasi dari kelima lima panca indera dan buat satu model "dunia" dalam otak anda. SENANG CERITA, bayang kan robot. camera tangkap image dari persekitaraan, image itu sebenarnya pantukan cahaya yang menjadikan dunia werna dan warna cumalah diff EM wavelength. suara? microphone cam telinga suara cuma adalah getaran udara yang disebabkan oleh getaran solid. cth: getaran buku gerakkan udara dan telinga dapat kesan getaran tu dan getaran tu yg dikesan telinga kita panggil suara.

kita lihat balik zaman silam.
body seperti no 1, semua bukan kita, sentiasa berubah,
bila kita kecil, apa yang kekal? memori, so, kita tekan butang pause. stop masa kanak katakan 5tahun, dan ambil 5 aggregate masa tu
1) body- badan seorang kanak kanak
2) percepsi- pemikiran dan pandangan kanak2
3) perasaan- perasaan kanak2(tiada tekanan kerja, sentiasa gembira)
4) volition- tindakan masa tu-lompat sini sana, tak duduk diam
5) consciouness- "reality" yang anda lihat dunia masa itu.

so, kita ambil kelima aggregate masa 5thn, dan banding dgn sekarang, mungkin anda umur 30thn. anda akan cakap, eh, ni bukan saya, ni saya yang lama, saya yang kecik. tapi, anda dah berubah, so, cam mane nak kata yang anda tu wujud?

perkataan SAYA/ANDA yang kita sentiasa guna cuma adalah pengaliran 5 aggregates. cth. badan sentiasa berubah, dan perubahan itu kita panggil saya. ni yg dimaksudkan self adalah ilusi. "saya " sentiasa anggap ni adalah saya, saya yg masa ni, badan saya ni sekarang, perasaan saya sekarang.
tapi bila berubah, perasaan berubah/badan berubah(cth: besar/accident), maka adakah anda masih anda?

macam air sungai, sentiasa mengalir, sentiasa berubah bentuk. itu lah sifat semula jadi manusia.

selepas banyak yang saya taip, tak ada sepatah yg sebut bahawa buddha tu maha kuasa, suruh anda percaya buddha, suruh anda ingkar islam.

wei_loon5063

hasell posted on 4-5-2014 02:04 AM
tq for the exercise
tp tak faham, adakah tuan nak katakan yg self/diri kita di dalam akan buat pe ...

tq for the exercise
tp tak faham, adakah tuan nak katakan yg self/diri kita di dalam akan buat perkara itu dulu then barulah fizikal akan apply?

mental volition yang arah badan anda buat. volition bukan tuhan/bukaniblis/bukan ape ape. volition tu kehendak/willpower. Willpower datang selepas pemikiran

dari latihan tu, mmg jasad saya lakukan sebagaimana di fikirkan. bila sy nak buat yg bertentangan dgn pemikiran tadi, hati sy cepat2 react dgn bagi signal ala2 warning atau 'just follow the lead'

kau buat exercise lama sikit, anda akan dapat lihat minda anda bergaduh sesama sendiri. selepas seketika, yang bising bising tu akan diam, dan akan tinggal will power anda shj.

even sy moslem, tp suka mengkaji pelbagai agama, cam budhaa, hinduisme, jehovah, kabbalah.. sebab at the end, sy 'nampak' ketuhanan tu. ia bukanlah idolship. tetapi beyond the realm. Dlm islam pun ALLAH itu adalah nama bagi dzat(source) yang di anggap/syahadah/saksi sebagai TUHAN. Bila faham kaitan tu, sy respect semua agama as long tak melanggar kemanusiaan.

AGAMA/religion adalah satu perkataaan yang manusia cipta untuk groupkan perlbagai ajaran.
cth. buddhism adalah ajaran buddha.
buddha maksud yang sedar/awakened
buddhism? ajaran kesedaran
ajaran buddhism tak panggil "buddhism", ia dipanggil dhamma (reality)
tapi, tak boleh nafikan, ada orang yg salah guna ajaran. contoh terbaik adalah dato Ibrahim(raja bomoh) dgn Ajaran ISLAM

anees~nuhara

subjektif sgt permintaannye..