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Israk dan Mikraj - Di ceritakan dalam Quran?

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Post time 5-12-2007 03:35 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
Nak tanya Israk dan Mikraj ni di tulis di dalam al-quran ataupun hadith?
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Post time 5-12-2007 03:40 PM | Show all posts

Reply #1 sLapshock's post

israk dan mikraj.. best cite ni.. sebelum dpt jawapan, aku nak tanya, ko percaya ke wujudnya pengembaraan Rasulullah SAW ke langit yg dinamakan israk dan mikraj ni?
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 Author| Post time 5-12-2007 03:55 PM | Show all posts
to be honest, if its from hadith then i dont think i OBLIGATED to believe that story. i only believe words from allah, which is written i al quran.

kalau hadith, sorry to say, its just as good as believing bible... CONJECTURE PIECE OF #!
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:01 PM | Show all posts

Reply #3 sLapshock's post

kalau mcm tu, tiada makna segala penerangan yg bakal diberi.. menolak apa yg disampaikan oleh Rasulullah SAW melalui hadis, sama seperti menolak ayat al-quran.. kerana kedua-duanya keluar dari mulut Rasulullah SAW.. jgn berhujah bahawa al-quran itu dipelihara Allah SWT sedangkan kata-kata Rasulullah SAW sebagai penafsir al-quran dipertikaikan..
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:07 PM | Show all posts
Ade...cuba ko baca Al-quran yg ade tafsiran sekali...
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:09 PM | Show all posts

Reply #3 sLapshock's post

well enough if u not obligated to believe in hadith.

so its means u also not believe that ur so called parents are ur own parents bcoz its not stated in al quran. as regards to ur sijil beranak perhaps its not as good as bible but much lower rank than that.so it cannot be basis of ur belief that u are child of ur so called parents.

i believe ,u are at the stage of not even beleive ur own existence bcoz ur name is not stated in al quran even abi lahab n syaitan name is in al quran. so i believe that u again believe u are much lower rank than abi lahab n syaitan bcoz ur name not stated in al quran.

wallahua'lam
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 Author| Post time 5-12-2007 04:09 PM | Show all posts
tak payah nak terangkan, sebab i know about israk and mikraj.

masalahnya, al quran tak cakap pun suruh kita percaya hadis. and i believe that hadis ditulis oleh pengikut nabi.

hadis bertentangan antara satu sama lain, sama macam bible bertentangan antara satu sama lain.

hadis ada banyak versi, bible ada banyak versi juga

hadis adalah nasihat nabi, amalan amalan nabi, sama macam bible nasihat jesus dan amalan amalan jesus.

so .. kalau korang islam sendiri cakap bible is unrelaiable and based on conjuncture, then what about our hadith??? unreliable and based on conjuecture also!!

hadith = bible < both are human creation
quran = gospel < both ar gods, diff. is gospel is amended
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 Author| Post time 5-12-2007 04:11 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by radja at 5-12-2007 04:09 PM
well enough if u not obligated to believe in hadith.

so its means u also not believe that ur so called parents are ur own parents bcoz its not stated in al quran. as regards to ur sijil berana ...


apa kau mengarut ni ?

aku percaya aku anak ibu bapa because i can prove it biologically.

my name is just a calling, to call someone...its not relevant to compare at all.

im talking about EVENT you xxx.

[ Last edited by  ibnur at 5-12-2007 10:09 PM ]

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Post time 5-12-2007 04:14 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by sLapshock at 5-12-2007 04:09 PM
masalahnya, al quran tak cakap pun suruh kita percaya hadis. and i believe that hadis ditulis oleh pengikut nabi.

hadis bertentangan antara satu sama lain, sama macam bible bertentangan antara satu sama lain
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pemahaman ko ttg ilmu hadis masih ditahap paling rendah.. jika nak pertikaikan hadis, belajar dulu pasal hadis. kemudian baru boleh buka topik yg mempertikaikan hadis..
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:15 PM | Show all posts

Reply #8 sLapshock's post

mana ko tau parents ko tu makbapak ko? ko prove mcm mana? dna?

dna ada dlm quran ke?

surat beranak ko? surat beranak ada dlm quran ke?

ko kata israk mikraj xde dlm quran sbb tu ko x percaya,jd napa nk marah kalo aku kata 'ibubapa' ko bukan real parents ko sbb xde penerangan pon dlm quran.

kalo nk marah,marah la pd quran,jgn marah aku..

wallhua'alam
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:21 PM | Show all posts

Reply #9 goldraja's post

sbnrnya dia x percaya dia sedang tulis kat forum ni sbb dlm al quran x dinyatakan ttg cari forum.

yg paling sadis dia juga x percaya samy bello dh naikkan tol sbb dia tgk dlm quran xde pon.
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:25 PM | Show all posts
aku pelik lah. org yg tak amek hadith amek alquran ni..

dia nampak ke alquran tu turun sebijik2 pada rasulallah..

sama aje kaedah pemberitahuannya.. tapi mcm mana org boleh pilih2.

israk dan mikraj ni.. ada cerita dlm alquran.. boleh check terjemahan dan tafsiran.
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:26 PM | Show all posts
saudara -saudari,

sbnrnya tidak susah berhujah dgn mereka yg guna akal semata2 dlm memahami sesuatu.

kalo mereka guna logik kita pun guna lah senjata yg sama,iaitu logik juga.

tp,sbnrnya mereka ahli logik ni bukanlah keutamaan kita sbb mereka ini pemalas,pemalas utk berfikir dan merenung. jd apa yg keluar dr mulut mereka tidak lain hanya mengesahkan kemalasan dan kebebalan mereka.

bg yg berfikir,mereka ini ibarat belon,kita boleh main2 dan lambung2 dan sesekali menendang dgn riang...
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:28 PM | Show all posts
Aiyaaa lu semayang macam mana?
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:29 PM | Show all posts

Reply #15 alphawolf's post

niat aje..
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:31 PM | Show all posts

Reply #13 otomantaro's post

mmg pelik a/p ajaib.

kalo mereka percaya quran shj...mana mereka tahu itu quran? dr sumber mana mereka tahu? dr nabi muhd? x mungkin...sbb mereka x percaya hadis. kalo mereka kata mereka pernah dgr nabi sabda,dr mana mereka dengar?adakah dengar sendiri atau dr org lain? manusia zaman skrg mcm makhluk pembuka thread ini,mana dia tahu quran yg dia percaya itu betul2 quran? x lain x bukan dr hadis juga...jd kalo dia kata dia x percaya hadis,mcm mana dia tahu itu quran?

jelas sekali dia mendengar bisikan syaitan. atau conclusionnya,bukan shj hadis tp quran pun mungkin x dipercayainya. nauzubillah.
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:35 PM | Show all posts

Reply #12 radja's post

  tiba2 teringat kat satu lagu tu!
PERCAYALAH!!!!
Weh! Moh solat! solah! solah!
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:41 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by goldraja at 5-12-2007 04:01 PM
kalau mcm tu, tiada makna segala penerangan yg bakal diberi.. menolak apa yg disampaikan oleh Rasulullah SAW melalui hadis, sama seperti menolak ayat al-quran.. kerana kedua-duanya keluar dari mu ...


Yer betul, kalau tolak hadis, jawabnya tak sholatlah, sebab dalam quran tak ada sebut cara-cara nak sholat.  Cuma dalam hadis ada sebut, sebab Rasulullah yang memberitahu bagaimana kita nak mendirikan sholat.  Kita kena percaya quran dan hadis tak boleh salah satunya sahaja.

Tapi macam goldraja katalah, rasa macam tak perlulah pulak diterangkan kenapa kita kena percaya hadis sekali selain alquran.
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Post time 5-12-2007 04:43 PM | Show all posts
Kisah Israk dan Mikraj Nabi Muhammad saw ada disebut dlm Al-Quran:

"Maha Suci Allah yg telah memperjalankan hambaNya pd suatu malam dari Masjidil Haram ke Masjidil Aqsa yg telah Kami berkati sekelilingnya agar Kami
perlihatkan kepadanya sebahagian dari tanda-tanda (kebesaran) Kami. Sesungguhnya Dia adalah Maha Mendengar lagi Maha Melihat". - Surah Al-Israk, ayat 1.

so..rajin2 la baca tafsir atau bertanya kpd org2 yg lebih mengetahui.
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 Author| Post time 5-12-2007 04:48 PM | Show all posts
then shall i believe the event then.

org christian percaya bible, dan accept gospel sebab bible suruh accept gospel. tapi org islam kata bible adalah tulisan tangan manusia... where diorang tka tengok bahawa hadith adalah tulisan tangan juga.

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