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Assalamualaikum..
DialoG 1 :
A : "Saya suka novel ini, sebabnya dlmnya ada cinta, kaseh..illl..."(sepatutnya sambungan..ilmu, keindahan..)
B: "Novel ini penuh pengisian.. sebab tu saya pun suka.."
DialoG 2 :
A : " ilihla sesuatu barang berdasarkan kualiti, harga dan appea...(sambungan appearance, etc)
B : "Ya ya apearance dan kepentingan...inilah antara sbb yg menarik kite utk membeli.."
(B sentiasa memintas percakapan A..)
Si B sering memintas percakapan orang tanpa sempat mereka menghabiskan kata2....sebagai seorang selain B(bukan B).....apakah andaian anda terhadap B, siapa, mengapa dan kenapa dia suka bersikap begitu...?
adakah....
....bukan pendengar setia....
...egoisme........
....kurang sabar....
siapa dan kenapa... ??? |
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errr... tu namanya mereka tidak tahu erti sabar dan bertolak ansur... |
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nk tunjuk bgus la tu...huhuhuhu |
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ada 2,3 sebab gak kot...
mungkin si A tu gagap...dan B to long habiskan ayat dia
mungkin si B tu cakap terlalu petah...dan si A terlalu slow padanya
mungkin si B dah ada habit camtu...
aku ada sorang kawan camni...memang dia cakap laju dan aku kekadang pun terbuat org lain camni sebab org tu cakap terlalu slow... |
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Ada orang suka cakap straight to the point.......
B dah dapat tangkap apa yang A nak katakan. Tengok juga keadaan masa itu.
[ Last edited by hamizao at 4-1-2009 11:23 PM ] |
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Reply #1 ArisaNur's post
A would be my second older brother...or my ayah
B would be sometimes be me... |
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pandangan gue..
B boring nak tunggu A cakap sampai habis sbb dia dah tahu apa A na kata.
B boring ngan topik yang diperkatakan oleh A, so dia pintas to end up the conversation...fast!
B nak A tahu yang B tu bijak macam A jugak dan mereka sependapat tentang perkara yang dibincangkan. Might be dia nak ambik hati si A dan berharap yang A suka berbual dengannya. (Tanpa memikirkan bahawa dia nampak seperti 'too trying'.) |
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Reply #1 ArisaNur's post
sebenarnya, berdasarkan posting Sdri,
dalam komunikasi kan, tidak wujudnya saling mengambil giliran ( no turn taking ) dan ini menyalahi pragmatik berbahasa sebab seseorang yg ingin mengamalkan komunikasi secara berkesan, dia sepatutnya menunggu sehingga A habis dan memberi reaksi yg sepatutnya. |
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Reply #10 mbhcsf's post
betulkan...sepatutnya dia memberi laluan kepada A utk menghabiskan bicara...secara tak langsung sebagai tanda hormat..
boleh tak ketegorikan B sebagai mementingkan diri sendiri...? |
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Reply #11 ArisaNur's post
no - tapi in my field u could say that that person have what i called as " pragmatic problems"
search pragmatic disorders |
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Depends if you are a good listener, you would normally be patient enough to hear out the other person. At work especially ppl may not appreciate long winded explanations............. |
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aku ada kenal org pangai macam ini..baca dibawah..
PENTINGKAN DIRI SENDIRI. |
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Originally posted by mbhcsf at 10-1-2009 11:14 PM 
no - tapi in my field u could say that that person have what i called as " pragmatic problems"
search pragmatic disorders
aris dah search apa itu pragmatic disorder...its seems like autism right..? but aris tak rasa ini pragmatic disorder... ianya lebih kepada sikap yg lama2 menjadi habit...
bolehkah sesuatu habit berlaku tanpa sebab..? i mean, si A suke memintas percakapan B padahal dia tak de niat utk 'tunjuk pandai' atau apa saja..itu habit dia..automatik berlaku tanpa mengira dgn siapa dier berinteraksi....
boleh kah..? |
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Originally posted by ArisaNur at 12-1-2009 10:28 PM 
aris dah search apa itu pragmatic disorder...its seems like autism right..? but aris tak rasa ini pragmatic disorder... ianya lebih kepada sikap yg lama2 menjadi habit...
bolehkah sesuatu ...
boleh
esp to ppl with high imagination faculty in the brain
melihat dunia dan kehidupan macam frame gambar jek
btul salah tak penting..yang penting what works
objektif already met in the brain (thought) so please cite lain laa kawan..cepat lah tuko topik..new subject..lebih berat lebih power..my brain dahaga moreeeeee seolah dia maksudkan macam tu lah ok?
ppl macam ni less emotional, very realistic, pragmatic, straight forward, outspoken ..most of the time they will be looked upon as insulting other intelijen or rushy or gelojoh
walhal pekara sebenar..they love knowledge, information, input to the brain just like KIDS.
u have to give the person 'something new' ,paling bagus ur 'own idea' yang tentu nya unik so most probably dia akan kerut dahi , jungkit2 kenin dan tanya u pasal idea tuh
this kind of person always 'talk to him or herself' always propose questions to self, selalu berfikir apa saja sekali pun tiada oang lain, so informasi tu seme sudah ada dalam fikiran dan bila dia inter komunikasi ..dia manifest the thoughts yang sudah sedia ada terfikir, kadang2 idea tu datang masa tu jugak i.e. during discourse , it just happen sebab maybe desire memikirkan subjek tertentu itu sudah mencecah limit pengenalan (ilmu)
oang cam ni gak soang yang kritikus..kuat kritik..bukan nak eksen tapi nak test lojik fikiran sendiri
jangan kasik statement 'closed ended' pada manusia cam ni..membosankan depa..langsung cepat jek depa pintas u cakap
kasik statement 'open ended' i.e. berbentuk soalan.
bukan cakap 'melayu tu malas laa kan? ramai cakap melayu tu malas'
instead cakap 'kenapa melayu di katakan malas?'
instead cakap 'pilihlah barang berdasar appearance kualiti etc......... lagi baik u persoalkan 'kenapa beli barang tu?'
so percakapan wajar berbentuk active instead statement passive..ni paling penting dalam perbualan or discourse. terutama untuk yan aktif minda lah ok? |
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Reply #16 ajinomotonosuga's post
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hehehe..i kenal sorang like aji tuliskan itu dan aji pun kenal sama dia... |
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Reply #15 ArisaNur's post
well pragmatic disorder is not entirely confined to autism ...it is wide.For Autism, well the sign of communication impairment would be prominent.
We have also need to look at the way a person use language. The way he describes or narrate things, elaborating things, maintaining topics etc etc...
[ Last edited by mbhcsf at 19-1-2009 12:24 AM ] |
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okay dear...
Originally posted by ArisaNur at 12-1-2009 10:28 PM 
aris dah search apa itu pragmatic disorder...its seems like autism right..? but aris tak rasa ini pragmatic disorder... ianya lebih kepada sikap yg lama2 menjadi habit...
bolehkah sesuatu ...
If that is always the case, then what you could do is :
a) Whenever he started to interject ( u need to be observant ), you give hand cue like you gesturing, "jap jap tunggu I habis cakap dulu"
b) Or somehow be creative to give a "little" therapy for him like turn taking while playing games ...or any games which requires a person to WAIT and listen and then taking his turn
c) The third way is rather crude i would say just SAY - STOP |
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i could see how this little pragmatic disorder being so mistakenly thought as selfish, as tunjuk pandai..
cuba tengok , kan? kita are so negatif kan? walhal that person ada sikit pragmatic disorder...so mana yg nak apply bersangka baik tu?
apa apa pun sangka orang negatif..hmm...why not just asking yourself why is she like that? |
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Post time 3-1-2009 10:39 PM
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