Sejarah Yahudi

narvmarishka

how about this name?
jennifer beals(flashdance),
rachel weisz(actress-the mummy),
brendan fraser(actor-the mummy)
avril lavigne(canadian rockstar),
david schwimmer(actor friends),
lisa kudrow(actress friends),
gwenth palthrow(actress shallow hal),
roslyn kind(singer,step sister to barbra streisand),
patricia arquette(actress,sister of rosanna,david&alexis),
bar rafaeli(israeli model),
josie maran(american model),
shalom harlow(famous supermodel),
tasha tilberg(american model),
carmitt bachar(PCD member),
whitney houston(famous r&B soul singer),
lauryn hill(singer,rapper and wife of bob marley son),
bob marley(king of reggae),
steve tyler(lead singer aerosmith),
mia & liv tyler(steve tyler daughter),
fran drescher(actress the nanny),
jenna jameson(playboy model,porn actress),
pamela anderson a.k.a joan goldstein(actress & playboy model),
cindy margolis(american &playboy model),
hugh hefner(playboy owner),
marilyn monroe(married to jewish man),
elizabeth taylor(actress),


and...david beckham?are you sure about this?:hmm:

migdal_bavel

well, his religion isnt judaism but he's jewish by blood....
maternal side though.....

beckham used to go to synagogue a lot when he was young...followin his grandpa
n he also did wear the kippah/yarmulke...

more... http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/articles/421_david_beckham.htm


the jewishness of a person is defined according to maternal, faith, culture n ethnicity...

Maternal (Jewishness passes from mother to child). This is the view prevalent among modern-day orthodox religious Jews of most varieties. Most allow for the possibility of conversion, but such instances are relatively rare, and the conversion is not always recognized by other religious sects or by the secular majority. Many historians think that this law started with Ezra in order to reduce the number of Jewish men (returnees from Babylon, the vast majority of whom were men) marrying Samaritan women. Prior to that, Jewish transmission was tribal and paternal. Some feel the practice was continued during the Diaspora in order to ensure that the blood line was not broken, as one could always be certain of a baby's mother, but not its father. In both cases, blood was the central consideration, not faith.

Faith (Jewishness belongs only to those who believe in the one G-d as related in the Torah). This view advocates conversion and denies heritability in those who do not believe. This view is rare among identifying Jews, although it is the perception of certain ignorant gentiles and among 'self-hating' Jews.

Cultural (Jewishness belongs to those who practice Jewish customs and maintain Jewish traditions). This view allows conversion in principle, allows for heritable transmission from both the mother and father. This view is predominant among American Jewry, even among those who practice no Jewish customs.
Personal (Jewishness exists in those who declare themselves Jewish). This view places the identity of the individual above all things, even the majority view of the group. Jewishness is as available an identity as declaring one's favorite brand of cola.

Ethnic (Jewishness passes from parent to child) This view holds that the central element of Jewish identity is ancestry. Secondarily, but important nonetheless, is culture (including, but not requiring, religious faith and practice) and homeland.
If Jewish achievement is influenced by Jewish culture, heritage or ancestry, then we want to include those people who were raised by at least one Jewish biological parent or grandparent. Some may feel that this criterion is contrary to one of our stated goals - reducing intermarriage, however we feel that the pride and interest in Jewish culture that this site engenders will more likely result in less, not more intermarriage. Therefore, we have chosen to adopt the Ethnic view for the purposes of this site. This criteria is the easiest to ascertain with certainty, it bypasses the controversial conversion issue, it also does not require knowledge of private views or practices. This definition seems to be the truest synthesis of the two most popular views presented here (maternal and cultural) and the historical intent of our ancestors. It is also the view which nearly every other group or nation of people on the planet hold about themselves.

source; yahoodi.com

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3122672,00.html

toaster

byknye migdal ko punya list....tak sangka aku bgk tul yahudi yg femes2 nih...
yahudi yg negro pon ramai...jgn ada org melayu yahudi udah la...

amoy257

thanks..good info..

alangGIRL

Originally posted by toaster at 11-9-2006 09:03 AM
byknye migdal ko punya list....tak sangka aku bgk tul yahudi yg femes2 nih...
yahudi yg negro pon ramai...jgn ada org melayu yahudi udah la...

Possibility melayu yahudi tu ada.. kalu dibuatnyer mat salleh yg kiter kawin tu sebenarnye ada keturunan yahudi...

migdal_bavel

Originally posted by alangGIRL at 13-9-2006 10:47 AM


Possibility melayu yahudi tu ada.. kalu dibuatnyer mat salleh yg kiter kawin tu sebenarnye ada keturunan yahudi...

hmm..tu klu ad anak..
tp ak pnah jmp sorg melayu dlm myspace yg kawin same jantina ngn sorg jewish ni...due2 laki
sure xde anknye..hehe

alangGIRL

Originally posted by migdal_bavel at 13-9-2006 04:09 PM


hmm..tu klu ad anak..
tp ak pnah jmp sorg melayu dlm myspace yg kawin same jantina ngn sorg jewish ni...due2 laki
sure xde anknye..hehe

:geram::geram::geram:

toaster

dah tak cukup pompuan kat dunia ni agaknye...

toaster

tanya skit...golongan amish = jew gak ke?? ada sesapa tau?

nisa'

setau aku ... nak tau orang tu jewish ke tidak .. tengok idung depa. idup jewish ni lain ... cth terbaik tengok david copperfield, babra streisand. kan ke tegak semacam.

as for amish people ... they are jewish. orthodox if i'm not mistaken. bukan ikut zionis. yang jahat2 kat israel tu sebab follow zionis. tak semua jewish setuju dengan fahaman zionis. fahaman zionis ni ler yang dah bawak banyak masalah kat dunia ni.

korang semua tau tak .. kat penang ada kubur orang yahudi. aku masa mula2 tau dulu terkezut gak tapi bila fikir balik ... tak mustahil sebab malaya kan ke pernah dijajah. so kemungkinan yahudi2 britain kena tanam kat sini memang ada.

bila fikir panjang lagi .. tak mustahil gak yahudi2 yang pernah ada kat malaya ni dulu kawin dengan orang malaya, termasuk orang melayu. malay jewish?? tak mustahil .. cuma kita tak tau.

nisa'

from : http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/malaysia.html

By Ariel Scheib

History

In 1895, the first Jew, Ezekiel Menassah emigrated from Baghdad and settled in Penang, Malaysia. For more than 30 years, Menassah remained the only Jew in to the country, continuing to observe Jewish holidays and keep kashrut. Following World War I, more Jews began to settle in Malaysia. Then during World War II, the Jewish community was evacuated to Singapore. By 1963, only 20 Jewish families remained in Malaysia.

Today, approximately 100 Jews reside in Malaysia. On the island of Penang there is a tiny congregation and a cemetery in George Town in Jewish Street (Jalan Yahudi). The Jewish cemetery in Penang is considered to be the oldest single cemetery in the country. The oldest legible gravestone in the cemetery dates to 1805 and the latest to 1976. The cemetery also includes the grave of a Jewish British officer killed during World War II. Most of the Jews living in Malaysia are refugees from Russia.

Contacts

Congregation
28 Nagore Road
Penang

The Jewish Cemetery, Penang Neighborhood: Georgetown
Tel: +60 4 261 6663
(Penang Tourist Centre)
Address: Jalan Zainal Abidin
Penang MY, 10400

Mr. Gary Braut
Precision Bearing
17502 Jalam 4 Taman Selayang Baru
Industrial Area Kuala Lumpur 68100 Malaysia
Tel: 603-6138-6200
Fax: 603-6138-6206
email: [email protected]

(nak tengok gambar kubur jewish kat penang .. gi site tu. kubur tu kat Jalan Yahudi)

nisa'

http://www.800padutch.com/atafaq.shtml

Who are the Amish? Are they the same as the Pennsylvania Dutch?

The Amish are a religious group who live in settlements in 22 states and Ontario, Canada. The oldest group of Old Order Amish, about 16-18,000 people live in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. The Amish stress humility, family and community, and separation from the world.

Although Lancaster Amish are Pennsylvania Dutch, all Pennsylvania Dutch are not Amish. The Pennsylvania Dutch are natives of Central Pennsylvania, particularly Lancaster and its surrounding counties. Unlike the Amish, they are not all one religion. Instead, their common bond is a mainly German background (Pennsylvania Dutch is actually Pennsylvania Deutsch, or German). They also have Welsh, English, Scottish, Swiss, and French ancestry.
What is the history of the Amish?

The Amish have their roots in the Mennonite community. Both were part of the early Anabaptist movement in Europe, which took place at the time of the Reformation. The Anabaptists believed that only adults who had confessed their faith should be baptized, and that they should remain separate from the larger society. Many early Anabaptists were put to death as heretics by both Catholics and Protestants, and many others fled to the mountains of Switzerland and southern Germany. Here began the Amish tradition of farming and holding their worship services in homes rather than churches.

In 1536, a young Catholic priest from Holland named Menno Simons joined the Anabaptist movement. His writings and leadership united many of the Anabaptist groups, who were nicknamed "Mennonites." In 1693, a Swiss bishop named Jacob Amman broke from the Mennonite church. His followers were called the "Amish." Although the two groups have split several times, the Amish and Mennonite churches still share the same beliefs concerning baptism, non-resistance, and basic Bible doctrines. They differ in matters of dress, technology, language, form of worship, and interpretation of the Bible.

The Amish and Mennonites both settled in Pennsylvania as part of William Penn's "holy experiment" of religious tolerance. The first sizable group of Amish arrived in Lancaster County in the 1720's or 1730's.
An Amish Farm
The Amish seem stuck in history. Why don't they accept modern ideas and innovations?

Although the Amish look like they stepped out of the rural nineteenth century, in fact they do change. Their lives move more slowly than ours, but they definitely are not stuck anywhere. They choose to examine change carefully before they accept it. If the new idea or gadget does not assist in keeping their lives simple and their families together, they probably will reject it. Each church district decides for itself what it will and will not accept; there is no single governing body for the entire Old Order population, but all follow a literal interpretation of the Bible and an unwritten set of rules called the Ordnung.

Old Order groups all drive horses and buggies rather than cars, do not have electricity in their homes, and send their children to private, one-room schoolhouses. Children attend only through the eighth grade. After that, they work on their family's farm or business until they marry. The Amish feel that their children do not need more formal education than this. Although they pay school taxes, the Amish have fought to keep their children out of public schools. In 1972, the Supreme Court handed down a landmark unanimous decision which exempted the Old Order Amish and related groups from state compulsory attendance laws beyond the eighth grade. Many Mennonites and progressive Amish do attend high school and even college.
Do they speak English?

Most Amish are trilingual. They speak a dialect of German called Pennsylvania Dutch at home; they use High German at their worship services; and they learn English at school. They speak English when they deal with anyone who is not Amish. They pronounce Amish with a broad "a" (Ah-mish).

The Amish are a private people who believe God has kept them together despite pressure to change from the modern world. They are not perfect, but they are a strong example of a community that supports and cares for its members. They are a people apart; they are also a people together.
Amishmen
Why do they dress that way?

Old Order Amish women and girls wear modest dresses made from solid-colored fabric with long sleeves and a full skirt (not shorter than half-way between knee and floor). These dresses are covered with a cape and apron and are fastened with straight pins or snaps. They never cut their hair, which they wear in a bun on the back of the head. On their heads they wear a white prayer covering if they are married and a black one if they are single. Amish women do not wear jewelry.

Men and boys wear dark-colored suits, straight-cut coats without lapels, broadfall trousers, suspenders, solid-colored shirts, black socks and shoes, and black or straw broad-brimmed hats. Their shirts fasten with conventional buttons, but their suit coats and vests fasten with hooks and eyes. They do not have mustaches, but they grow beards after they marry.

The Amish feel these distinctive clothes encourage humility and separation from the world. Their clothing is not a costume; it is an expression of their faith.

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nisa'

What's an Amish wedding like?

Family is the core element in the Amish church, and choosing a mate is the most important decision in an Amishman's life. Boys and girls begin their search for a spouse when they turn sixteen. By the time a young woman turns twenty or a young man is in his early twenties, he or she is probably looking forward to the wedding day. But several definite steps must be taken by a couple before they may marry.
Both must join the Amish church. They are baptized into the Amish faith and are responsible for following the Ordnung. The Ordnung is a written and unwritten set of rules for daily living. Joining the church prepares the young people for the seriousness of setting up their own home.
The young man asks his girl to marry him, but he does not give her a diamond. He may give her china or a clock. The couple keeps their intentions secret until July or August. At this time the young woman tells her family about her plans to marry.

A whirlwind of activity begins after Fast Day on October 11. Fall communion takes place the following church Sunday. After communion, proper certification of membership is requested, and is given by the second Sunday after communion. This is a major day in the life of the church because all the couples who plan to marry are "published." At the end of the service, the deacon announces the names of the girls and who they plan to marry. The fathers then announce the date and time of the wedding and invite the members to attend. The betrothed couple does not attend the church service on the Sunday they are published. Instead, the young woman prepares a meal for her fiance and they enjoy dinner alone at her home. When the girl's family returns from church, the daughter formally introduces her fiance to her parents.
After being published, the young people have just a few days before the ceremony. They are permitted to go to one last singing with their old group of friends. The girl also helps her mother prepare for the wedding and feast which takes place in her parents' home. The boy is busy extending personal invitations to members of his church district.

And the bride wore...blue. Blue may not be the most traditional color for a bridal gown, but in one instance it is actually the most popular color choice. Blue is a typical color chosen for weddings by young Amish women. Navy blue, sky blue and shades of purple are the most popular colors donning Amish brides in any year. An Amish bride's wedding attire is always new. She usually makes her own dress and also those of her attendants, known as newehockers, (Pennsylvania Dutch for sidesitters). The style of the dresses are a plain cut and are mid-calf length. They are unadorned, there is no fancy trim or lace and there is never a train. Most non-Amish brides wear their bridal dress once, but an Amish bride's practical dress will serve her for more than just her wedding day. Her wedding outfit will become her Sunday church attire after she is married. She will also be buried in the same dress when she dies. The bride and her attendants also wear capes and aprons over their dresses. Instead of a veil, the bride wears a black prayer covering to differentiate from the white cap she wears daily. And, the bride must wear black high-topped shoes. No one in the bridal party carries flowers.

The groom and his newehockers wear black suits. All coats and vests fasten with hooks and eyes, not buttons. Their shirts are white, and shoes and stockings are black. Normally, Amish men do not wear ties, but for the wedding they will don bow ties. The groom also wears high-topped black shoes, and a black hat with a three and a half inch brim.

All of the attendants in the wedding party play a vital role in the events of the day. But there is no best man or maid of honor; all are of equal importance.

Wedding dates for the Amish are limited to November and part of December, when the harvest has been completed and severe winter weather has not yet arrived. A full day is needed to prepare for the wedding. Most are held on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays are used as days to prepare for or to clean-up after. Saturdays are not used as wedding days because it would be sacrilegious to work or clean-up on the following day, Sunday.

A typical Amish wedding day begins at 4 o'clock in the morning. After all, the cows must still be milked and all the other daily farm chores need to be done. There are also many last minute preparations to take care of before the wedding guests arrive. Helpers begin to arrive by 6:30 a.m. to take care of last minute details. By 7:00 a.m., the people in the wedding party have usually eaten breakfast, changed into their wedding clothes, and are waiting in the kitchen to greet the guests. Some 200 to 400 relatives, friends and church members are invited to the ceremony, which is held in the bride's home.

The Forgeher, or ushers, (usually four married couples), will make sure each guest has a place on one of the long wooden benches in the meeting or church room of the home. At 8:30 a.m., the three-hour long service begins. The congregation will sing hymns, (without instrumental accompaniment), while the minister counsels the bride and groom in another part of the house. After the minister and the young couple return to the church room, a prayer, Scripture reading and sermon takes place. Typically, the sermon is a very long one.

After the sermon is concluded, the minister asks the bride and groom to step forward from their seat with the rest of the congregation. Then he questions them about their marriage to be, which is similar to taking wedding vows. The minister then blesses the couple. After the blessing, other ordained men and the fathers of the couple may give testimony about marriage to the congregation. A final prayer draws the ceremony to a close.

That's when the festivities begin. In a flurry of activity, the women rush to the kitchen to get ready to serve dinner while the men set up tables in a U-shape around the walls of the living room. A corner of the table will be reserved for the bride and groom and the bridal party. This is an honored place called the "Eck," meaning corner. The tables are set at least twice during the meal, depending on how many guests were invited. The tables are laden with the "roast," (roast chicken with bread stuffing), mashed potatoes, gravy, creamed celery, coleslaw, applesauce, cherry pie, donuts, fruit salad, tapioca pudding and bread, butter and jelly.

The bride sits on the groom's left, in the corner, the same way they will sit as man and wife in their buggy. The single women sit on the same side as the bride and the single men on that of the groom. The immediate family members sit at a long table in the kitchen, with both fathers seated at the head.

After dinner, the afternoon is spent visiting, playing games and matchmaking. Sometimes the bride will match unmarried boys and girls, who are over 16 years old, to sit together at the evening meal. The evening meal starts at 5:00 p.m. The parents of the bride and groom, and the older guests are now seated at the main table and are the first to be served. The supper varies from the traditional noon meal. A typical menu might consist of stewed chicken, fried sweet potatoes, macaroni and cheese, peas, cold-cuts, pumpkin and lemon sponge pies, and cookies. The day usually winds to a close around 10:30 p.m.

The couple's first night together is spent at the bride's home because they must get up early the next day to help clean the house. Their honeymoon is spent visiting all their new relatives on the weekends throughout the winter months ahead. This is when they collect the majority of their wedding gifts. Usually, they receive useful items such as dishware, cookware, canned food, tools and household items. Typically, when the newlyweds go visiting, they will go to one place Friday night and stay overnight for breakfast the following day. They'll visit a second place in the afternoon and stay for the noon meal and go to a third place for supper. Saturday night is spent at a fourth place, where they have Sunday breakfast. A fifth place is visited for Sunday dinner and a sixth for Sunday supper before they return to the bride's parents home. The couple lives at the home of the bride's parents until they can set up their own home the following spring.

Do Amish children go to school?Amish girl on a scooter

Yes...for the many Old Order Amish and Old Order Mennonite children living in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, the ringing school bell signals a time to shift attention from field work to school work, a time to drop the hoe and pick up a pencil.

Old Order children attend one-room schools through the eighth grade and are usually taught by a young, unmarried woman. As a result of the County's growing Old Order population, enrollment in their one-room schools is surging. During recent years Old Order leaders have been over-seeing the construction of new one-room school buildings at the rate of about five per year.

A 1972 Supreme Court ruling exempted the Old Order sects from compulsory attendance laws beyond the eighth grade. The one-room schools restrict worldly influences and stress the basics such as reading, writing and arithmetic. The importance of the community and cooperation among its members are also emphasized.

ends

deaf4ever

Originally posted by toaster at 13-9-2006 07:28 PM
tanya skit...golongan amish = jew gak ke?? ada sesapa tau?

ko gi carik ceta WITNESS

yang lakonan Harrison Ford.
tu bleh kasi ko idea sikit pasal golongan ni dan cara dorang hidup dalam zaman modern.

narvmarishka

Originally posted by nisa' at 14-9-2006 09:44 PM
setau aku ... nak tau orang tu jewish ke tidak .. tengok idung depa. idup jewish ni lain ... cth terbaik tengok david copperfield, babra streisand. kan ke tegak semacam.

as for amish people ... ...

apa yg kita dgr cite org dulu,mmg ada jews dtg kat semenanjung sbb nak cari other jews yg dok kat sini..tapi tatau apa yg berlaku kemudian...tak silap diorg dtg time before british came here...dan mmg ada jews kat asia but yg konfirm ialah myanmar,india,singapore,filipina,dan indonesia.tak mustahil diorg singgah jap kat semenanjung,cari harta dulu baru balik negeri...

bundle

Originally posted by nisa' at 15-9-2006 03:44 PM
setau aku ... nak tau orang tu jewish ke tidak .. tengok idung depa. idup jewish ni lain ... cth terbaik tengok david copperfield, babra streisand. kan ke tegak semacam.

as for amish people ... ...

may be... tapi setau aku.. apa yang diceritakan oleh pak cik aku lar... bila seorang yahudi keluar dari agama yahudi... dengan secara automatik nya dia terkeluar dari yahudi... dan bila seorang yahudi itu memeluk balik agama mereka... keturunan yang ke-7 yahudi tadi baru digelar yahudi sejati...

toaster

thanx...rajin cari info ek...

kalau nak kenal org2 jew ni bulih tgk kat page 7...migdal ada senaraikan nama2 jews..

[ Last edited by  toaster at 18-9-2006 10:33 AM ]

toaster

ada...dulu aku pernah tgk cite witness ni..tapi tgk sikit je la..tak sempat abes...
takpe la..nnt aku try cari.. thanx.. ;)

bundle

Originally posted by migdal_bavel at 18-9-2006 03:44 PM


yg ak bc...seseorg tu klu kuardr agama die..die akn dipertanggungjawbkan. kt yom hadin nnti(hr pmbalasan)
maksudnya...akn msk gehennom (neraka)...sbb tu org yg bketurunn jewish mst convert..kl ...

ermm yang tu mungkin lar migdal... cam agama islam gak lar.. akan ada pembalasan di neraka kelak.... cuma kalau jewish tu anut agama dia balik.. puak2 yahudi nie tak panggil dia yahudi betul... keturunan dia yang ke 7 baru diiktiraf sebagai yahudi sebenar... ermmm tapi aku xtau tu ape yang pak cik aku cerita aku tgk dia rajin jek membaca...
cam aku nie malas skit... huhuhu

mayutaka

Hi!!!!!!!!!!

aku ada musykil sikit....aku baca yg page awal ckp YAHUDI nih dibenci+dihalau+dibunuh oleh banyak kaum n negara termasuk kat Britain...kalau mcm tu....mcm mana diorang boleh bangkit balik dan bilakah TITIK masa dioorang bangkit n menguasai dunia nih balik??????