The Koran and the Jews

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-5 12:11 PM:
I thot yu said allah don't favour any race? But earlier yu said God promised the land to the descendents of Moses? Now you say descendents means followers when I ask yu for the descendents.
Seems ...

I'm also a decendant of Moses and Abraham - I follow their teachings ~ which is from God. You are talking on the biological level ~ I'm talking from the spiritual. Your logic is animal logic.

Debmey

First of all, a descendent is not necessarily a follower of teachings and a follower of teachings is different from the concept of a descendent. You need to straighten up English first and then understanding of Islam b4 yu talk.

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-5 12:37 PM:
First of all, a descendent is not necessarily a follower of teachings and a follower of teachings is different from the concept of a descendent. You need to straighten up English first and then und ...

You know very well that I was speaking in metaphorical terms - a figure  of speech. But, linguistically speaking, I should have used the word 'inherited' or 'inheritance', instead of 'descended'.  OK, change the word to inheritance ~ because thats what I really mean.  Its a more appropriate word.

And in line with that, these articles written by Jews who have embraced Islam is most apt.

http://www.jews-for-allah.com/Je ... ed-like-Muslims.htm

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/Jews-and-Muslims-Agree/

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Debmey

The Quran says that Israel belongs to Jews. I dunno where yu got your descedent or followers doctrines from. I think its just a lie by Muslims tokilljews and land grab, nothing more, even if it means violating the Quran.

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-5 01:43 PM:
The Quran says that Israel belongs to Jews. I dunno where yu got your descedent or followers doctrines from. I think its just a lie by Muslims tokilljews and land grab, nothing more, even if it mea ...

:no: of course you'll say that. Nobody expects you to agree ~ knowing you.

Debmey

of course yu have no reply to what the Quran says  abt Israel belonging to Jews. ahahahahahahahaha.......... looks like allah wa sconveniently put aside by yu muslims.

cheers

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-5 01:49 PM:
of course yu have no reply to what the Quran says  abt Israel belonging to Jews. ahahahahahahahaha.......... looks like allah wa sconveniently put aside by yu muslims.

cheers

What I find quite hilarious is that you and your bunch of racist Zionist thugs,  openly declare that arabs should be killed, that Palestinians should be wiped of the face of the earth , i.e. openly support ethnic cleansing and find no humane or even religious qualms with this sentiment and brazenly decree that God has given you the right to take control over lands that are not yours, and expect everyone to shut up and swallow it because of what? The fact that you are divine? Invincible? Superhuman? and yet the minute one starts to highlight the ugly truths behind Zionism you squeal murder like a typical cowardly bully. You think God is on the side of bullies? You think God agrees with what Zionists are doing to the Palestinians? ~ Be honest and answer.

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Debmey

Did I say that? When? where? You constructing a strawman again? Please show us.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-5 03:33 PM:
Did I say that? When? where? You constructing a strawman again? Please show us.

Then what is your support for Zionism all about?  Thats what Zionism is.

http://www.rense.com/general26/ziontst.htm

Debmey

Had Zionists wanted all arabs dead, all Arabs would have bee dead in Israel 50 years ago.Yet Arabs ae given full Israeli citizenships with representatives in parliament.
Muslims have been chantig death to all Jews and destruction of Israel though.
www.shoebat.com

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-5 11:27 PM:
Had Zionists wanted all arabs dead, all Arabs would have bee dead in Israel 50 years ago.Yet Arabs ae given full Israeli citizenships with representatives in parliament.
Muslims have been chantig  ...

Heheh...only a simpleton like Shoebat would make stupid statements like that.

Debmey

Walid is one of the greatest schorlars on the history of modern Israel. Having perspective from both sides of the divide.

I don't understand what kenkid means by stupid statements when what Walid said was all true experience backed up with evidence.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-6 10:42 AM:
Walid is one of the greatest schorlars on the history of modern Israel. Having perspective from both sides of the divide.

I don't understand what kenkid means by stupid statements when what Wal ...

A simpleton ~ thats what I think of Walid Shoebat ~ a stooge of the Zionists & a coward lured into Christian Zionism by a bunch of evangelist fanatic bigots.

Debmey

Name calling and cursing? Is that all yu can do for islam? ahahahahahahahha.................

peace

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-6 11:00 AM:
Name calling and cursing? Is that all yu can do for islam? ahahahahahahahha.................

peace

I'm just calling a spade a spade. He does not deserve my respect.

sonny~~

the HARDfact remains outcast imported jews didnt follow no bible or koran or torah when they get israel.  all they did is to rape PALESTINE n genocide PALESTINIANS since 1900s, even earlier  

peace

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-22 10:42 AM:
Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle. Muslims just have no answers to what the Quran says.

n u have no answer why outcast imported jews didnt follow koran or bible or torah when they raped PALESTINE to get israel  

peace

MID-EAST STRIFE:
RE-DISCOVERING THE BIBLE'S FORGOTTEN SOLUTION
By Rev. Ted Pike

The raging conflict in the Middle East sparks two essential questions. First: Do the Jews own Palestine? The answer is yes. Scripture makes it clear that the land of Palestine was given by God to the physical descendants of Abraham. (Gen. 12:7, 13-14-17- 11 Chron. 20:7; Acts 7:5)

Secondly- Do the Jews have the right to occupy Palestine? The answer to this question is no! Scripture states that if Israel rejects Jesus, (Yahweh) who brought them into Canaan, He will expel them from the land. They can never lawfully return until they are obedient to their rejected Messiah.

Yahweh's conditional terms of occupancy are bluntly laid down in Leviticus 26-27,33. "Yet if in spite of this you do not obey me, but act with hostility against me, then I will act with wrathful hostility against you ... You ... I will scatter among the nations and will draw out a sword after you, as your land becomes desolate and your cities become waste."

Deuteronomy 4:25-27 continues: "When you do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord your God so as to provoke him to anger, I call heaven and earth to witness against you today that you shall surely perish quickly from the land ... You shall not live long on it, but shall be utterly destroyed. And the Lord will scatter you among the nations, where the Lord shall drive you."

And in Deuteronomy 58:63-4- "if you are not careful to observe all the words of this law ... you shall be torn from the land where you are entering to possess it. Moreover, the Lord will scatter you among all peoples."

In the Old Testament, when Israel and Judah abandoned Yahweh, both nations were exiled from Palestine: Israel by the Assyrians in 722 B.C., Judah by the Babylonians in 597 B.C.

Only abject repentance entitled a small minority of Judeans, under Ezra and Nehemiah, to return from Babylon and again occupy their land of promise. After the remnant Jews' rejection and crucifixion of Christ, they also were scattered among the nations in fulfillment of God's ancient decree.

Since their expulsion under Titus in 70 A.D., the Jews still have not repented. They have not given Christ the obedience He demands.

Who Has Rights of Occupation? Who, then, are the legitimate occupants of Palestine today? When God exiled Judah under Nebuchadnezzar in 597 B.C. He allowed various mixed people, later called Samaritans, to occupy Judea. Such occupancy was not conditional on righteousness. What was important was that rebellious Jews not occupy the land.

Similarly, when God expelled the Jews from Palestine in 70 A.D. He allowed various peoples eventually known as Palestinian Arabs to occupy the land in lieu of Jewish obedience.

Do the Palestinians own the land? They do not. But they do have divine approval, as did the ancient Samaritans, to become tenants of the land until Israel repents.

Someday, out of great tribulation, a remnant of Jews will give God the obedience He demands. Christ will lead this believing remnant back to the land of their forefathers; they will dwell there lawfully, in peace and safety. This will be the only legitimate return the Jews will make to Palestine since their rejection of Christ 2000 years ago. It will gloriously fulfill hundreds of Old Testament prophecies. (Isa. 4:4, 10:20, 59:20; Hos.14:4; Joel 2:18-20; Zeph. 2:7, 3:11-13) Until that time, God calls heaven and earth to testify that unbelieving Jews must remain dispersed, scattered, "wandering" among the nations (Deut. 4:25-27). And yet, as in ancient Babylon, God encouraged them to build, plant,  marry and take root in the land of their dispersion, and to "seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile." (Jer. 29:4-7)         

The proper role for unbelieving Jews is to dwell scattered among the very safe and prosperous Jewish communities in New York, London, Paris, etc. They are not to wrest Palestine from its divinely approved occupants, thus inciting persecution and hatred against Jews worldwide. This timeless principle of "no obedience, no occupancy" was illustrated in the time of Joshua. (Num. 13:25-33; 14:1-45) God invited the Hebrews to occupy Palestine by faith. Yet when unbelief emerged, He refused to let them in. When the people decided they wanted to penetrate the land anyway, God rejected them, ultimately condemning them to wander and die in the wilderness. Only a new, obedient generation (like the later generation under Ezra and Nehemiah) would be allowed to take root in a land dedicated to obedience.

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Zionism's 'historical right' to Palestine was neither historical nor a right. It was not historical inasmuch as it voided the two millennia of non-Jewish settlement in Palestine and the two millennia of Jewish settlement outside it.

It was not a right, except in the Romantic 'mysticism' of 'blood and soil' and the Romantic 'cult' of 'death, heroes and graves'... "The claim of Jewish 'homelessness is founded on a cluster of assumptions that both negates the liberal idea of citizenship and duplicates the anti-Semitic one that the state belongs to the majority ethnic nation.

In a word, the Zionist case for a Jewish state is as valid as the anti-Semitic case for an ethnic state that marginalizes Jews."

~ Professor Norman Finkelstein: "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict"

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Debmey

You can deny reality all you want. Israel has been in existant for 3000 years and yu can't change history even if yu have allah around.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-6 11:50 AM:
You can deny reality all you want. Israel has been in existant for 3000 years and yu can't change history even if yu have allah around.

Its that kind of arrogance, stubborness & greed that will prolong your return to another 10 millennia, that too if you are lucky enough to know the true meaning of repentance.

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