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i agree with davidngui on some points about commies but i disagree about amir's films...i've not seen LKT and after watching his previous three films i'm not that eager to see another 'amateurish' ( as well described by the BN parliamentarians for once..) documentary by him...i think amir could and should do better... the fact that his films have gone all over the globe is neither here no there..there are a lot of these type of 'arty farty' films from 'developing' countries making the same rounds...i've absolutely nothing against amir or any of the new wave film makers..in fact i'm hoping that these people can come up with a real good MALAY film...note..I don't say MALAYSIAN film...f**ck malaysian films... what i need now is just plain good filem melayu...and Amir dissapoints me...so is yasmin and the rest...these people are COCONUTS.... brown outside...white inside...
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Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 10-6-2006 06:28 AM
nobody is right all the time, or wrong all the time. mahthir is very wrong about PAS but right about abdullah badawi...just like you...you're right about the merit of some books some times but wron ...
Is that hypocrisy i smell there? heh heh... |
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what's wrong with being a communist?
a good commie is a lot better than an average umno member to me....
Its not about who better than who |
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[quote]Originally posted by fleurzsa at 10-6-2006 12:53 PM
U cannot deny that propaganda film exist, mostly by western film makers. My say to Amir |
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p.s. Amir MUHAMMMAD bukan Mohamed. |
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Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 10-6-2006 10:36 AM
these people are COCONUTS.... brown outside...white inside...
...said the person who writes in English... oh, the irony.. |
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Originally posted by pessoa at 10-6-2006 08:10 PM
Apa yang Amir buat sudah cukup Malaysia. Dia bukan orang asing yang datang dan tiba-tiba nak buat filem kat sini; dia orang malaysia yang lahir di sini dan tinggal di sini. Apa kena selit aden ...
Sebab Amir org Malaysia yg lahir di sini dan tinggal di sini la maka masyarakat Malaysia menaruh harapan yg lebih kpd beliau. Apakan daya... tuan punya badan lebih memandang ke luar...
Tak perlu kuda kepang utk hasilkan good Malaysian film. Cukup la sekadar berfikir..."Apa yg aku boleh sumbang kpd Malaysia". ( of course, without being hypocrite... Even stupid Malaysian have feeling... )
Malaysian thinking memang wujud. Kerana wujudnya Malaysian thinking la masyarakat Malaysia yg berbilang kaum dpt hidup aman dan boleh bersama2 berkongsi rezeki di bumi tercinta ini. Semua bangsa boleh mengekalkan budaya masing2. |
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Originally posted by fleurzsa at 11-6-2006 10:20 PM
Sebab Amir org Malaysia yg lahir di sini dan tinggal di sini la maka masyarakat Malaysia menaruh harapan yg lebih kpd beliau. Apakan daya... tuan punya badan lebih memandang ke luar...
Tak ...
What right have you to say Amir memandang keluar? Dia buat filem Big Durian dan Komunis kedua-duanya pasal Malaysia. Nak sumbang apa lagi? |
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Originally posted by pessoa at 11-6-2006 11:15 PM
What right have you to say Amir memandang keluar? Dia buat filem Big Durian dan Komunis kedua-duanya pasal Malaysia. Nak sumbang apa lagi?
Kenapa tak semua org2 Malaysia dpt tonton filem Amir eh?
As I wrote before.. even stupid Malaysian have feeling... |
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Originally posted by fleurzsa at 11-6-2006 11:44 PM
Kenapa tak semua org2 Malaysia dpt tonton filem Amir eh?
As I wrote before.. even stupid Malaysian have feeling...
Sebab pegawai kerajaan yang bodoh-bodoh mengharamkan. Dan sebab stupid Malaysians tak ambik inisiatif untuk mencari sendiri filem-filem Amir untuk ditonton.
Hendak seribu daya. |
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Now tell me apa yang tak Malaysian tentang filem2 amir. |
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i think amir and the gang are malaysian as malaysian can be.... saya lihat filem2 nya yg mana saya berkesempatan juga menonton nya (lips to lips, six shorts, big durian ) di tonton oleh orang bukan melayu lebih dari orang melayu...kesemua nya anak2 muda yang rata2 english educated...mungkin di overseas some of them.. jika berpandu dari sessi soal jawab lepas tayangan bersama amir...
filem2 amir ni bagi saya lah... filem filem nya terlalu 'arty farty' dan bukan lah untuk 'general public'...
saya menunggu filem2 'melayu' yang berkualiti...bukan filem malaysia...saya tunggu filem2 seperti 'JOGHO' arahan u-wei haji shaari...bukan filem merapu yg amir buat sekarang....filem arus perdana melayu yg baik...saya tunggu 'zhang yimou' malaysia. |
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Well I think my problem with Amir's work is that he is too conscious ofhis sense and knowledge of social injustice, political stance etc that he uses his film to express his opinion and voice. Nothing wrong with that actually caused there are factions of filmmakers who are very much involved in politic as some like to call them Left Wing filmmakers. So when you watch his film, the pure experience of cinema is lacking.
Zhang Yimou's films are also very much providing strong opinions and sharp angles looking at China. That's why his films were banned too in China in his early years but when he won so many awards outside, the Chinese government slowly had no choice but to screen it in China. The differense between Amir and him is that Zhang Yimou uses a very subtle and artful approach in his critisicm towards China through his films. He never slapped you in the face when you know he's hitting you. For example in his film 'The Red Lantern' how he subtly criticised the conventional polygamy family and the struggle of women in those eras.
It's nothing wrong to have a strong opinion but you cannot use film as your mouth. Film is biger than that. And that is what Amir yet to have and realized.
Interestingly I think that I can similiarity between Amir and U-Wei. Both have good eyes of good story but both lack the technical and knowledge of filmmaking to translate their visions. For exmaple I thought 'Perempuan, Isteri dan...' is an interesting story but not a good film. Same to 'Lelaki Komunis Terakhir'. |
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Originally posted by Greenbottle3 at 12-6-2006 12:29 PM
i think amir and the gang are malaysian as malaysian can be.... saya lihat filem2 nya yg mana saya berkesempatan juga menonton nya (lips to lips, six shorts, big durian ) di tonton oleh orang bukan ...
Berapa ramai 'general public' yang tonton Jogho? Kaki Bakar? Kenapa kau tak panggil Filem U-Wei Arty farty?
Filem-filem Amir (selain Lips to Lips) BUKAN filem tapi dokumentari, jadi untuk membandingkan ia dengan Jogho sungguhlah tidak tepat, dan frankly, if I may borrow the Wittgensteinian sense, nonsensical.
Jadi kalau tunggu Zhang Yimou Malaysia, tak perlulah tonton filem Amir Muhammad. |
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Originally posted by pessoa at 12-6-2006 12:29 AM
Now tell me apa yang tak Malaysian tentang filem2 amir.
Adalah tidak adil utk I beri komen ttg filem Amir apabila I tidak menontonnya sendiri. Tapi I boleh buka topik ini krn I baca info dan dengar cerita org. |
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Originally posted by pessoa at 12-6-2006 12:28 AM
Sebab pegawai kerajaan yang bodoh-bodoh mengharamkan. Dan sebab stupid Malaysians tak ambik inisiatif untuk mencari sendiri filem-filem Amir untuk ditonton.
Hendak seribu daya.
Amir juga mungkin kelihatan stupid krn gagal memahami kehendak & harapan audience.
Lihat shj filem2 Allayarham Tan Sri P Ramlee. Yg suka menonton terdiri dr berbilang bangsa dan tak jemu ditonton berulangkali. |
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Originally posted by fleurzsa at 12-6-2006 06:59 PM
Adalah tidak adil utk I beri komen ttg filem Amir apabila I tidak menontonnya sendiri. Tapi I boleh buka topik ini krn I baca info dan dengar cerita org.
Sekarang kata tak adil pulak? Kalau kau percaya dengan apa yang kau tulis, tentu dari mula lagi kau tak beri komen yang bukan-bukan.
Sebab Amir org Malaysia yg lahir di sini dan tinggal di sini la maka masyarakat Malaysia menaruh harapan yg lebih kpd beliau. Apakan daya... tuan punya badan lebih memandang ke luar... |
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Originally posted by fleurzsa at 12-6-2006 07:04 PM
Amir juga mungkin kelihatan stupid krn gagal memahami kehendak & harapan audience.
Apa yang buat dia gagal? Kau tahu niat dia bikin dokumentari dia?
Kalau niat dia nak tengok sejauh mana kebebasan bersuara wujud di Malaysia dia sudah berjaya.
Lihat shj filem2 Allayarham Tan Sri P Ramlee. Yg suka menonton terdiri dr berbilang bangsa dan tak jem ...
Aku jemu tengok filem P.Ramlee. Ramai lagi jemu tengok filem P.Ramlee. Bagusnya tahap tahun 60-an-70-an sahaja, sebagai artifek sejarah. |
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Originally posted by pessoa at 12-6-2006 07:59 PM
Sekarang kata tak adil pulak? Kalau kau percaya dengan apa yang kau tulis, tentu dari mula lagi kau tak beri komen yang bukan-bukan.
Wehhh... mana ada I beri komen direct ttg filem2 Amir. I komen ttg Amir sbg pembikin filem. |
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Apa yang buat dia gagal? Kau tahu niat dia bikin dokumentari dia?
Kalau niat dia nak tengok sejauh mana kebebasan bersuara wujud di Malaysia dia sudah berjaya.
Memang la dia berjaya sebab dia tinggal di Malaysia, bukan negara komunis...
Aku jemu tengok filem P.Ramlee. Ramai lagi jemu tengok filem P.Ramlee. Bagusnya tahap tahun 60-an-70-an sahaja, sebagai artifek sejarah.
Itu pemikiran sempit... I dah byk kali jumpa filem2 P Ramlee yg dikitar semula... slot tertentu filem2 beliau digunakan sebagai bahan bantuan dlm seminar2 ilmiah. Dialog2 menarik digunakan dlm pelbagai media massa & sbg bahan pendidikan.
Tak perlu bikin filem propaganda... secara tak langsung filem2 P Ramlee telah berjaya menerap di hati masyarakat Malaysia.
Mcm mana filem2 Amir nak menjana minda masyarakat Malaysia.. nak dpt menonton pun susah... |
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Post time 10-6-2006 10:36 AM
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