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Kelas Bahasa Jepun (Nihongo)

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Post time 4-1-2008 12:16 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by lin_okinawa at 30-12-2007 04:25 PM

cth: Doraemon wa watashi ni "pintu suke hati" wo kureru
      - Sy terime "pintu suke hati" dr Doraemon....(btol ke gtu?)


kalo morau plak....kalo nk ckp psl kite yg dpt dr the other party, "kite" tu kene gune partikel "ga" la kan??
so.....(tanye gk sbb nk sedapkn ati supaye konfem bebtol phm )

cth: Watashi ga Doraemon ni takekoputa wo morau
      - Sy terime takekoputa dr Doraemon.....(btol ke ni?)


sume gune contoh doraemon jek

Question.....kalo cm kureru tu...kite terbalekkan kedudukan NI ngan WA tu bleh dak?? maksudnye, ayat yg partikel ni lepas dlu..followed by ayat partikel wa plak...pastu baru wo kureru

same goes to morau...bleh gk ke gtu??


lin lin, ni yang shin faham la lepas blaja ngan ayaka sensei shin kat gakkou tu..
kureru tu sama meaning dgn ageru which is memberi...
morau tu menerima/mendapat...
so kalau ikut ayat lin yang first tu:
- Doraemon wa watashi ni "pintu suke hati" wo kureru
- Doraemon beri saya "pintu suka hati" (rasanya ni maksud yang sebenar kut..)


kureru tu hanya dipakai bile ada "watashi ni" sahaja... which mean org beri kepada kite...(plus kite nyer kazoku)


Kalau morau plak, menerima..cam contoh lin ni:

- Watashi ga Doraemon ni takekoputa wo morau (guna watashi wa)
- Sy terime takekoputa dr Doraemon.....(yang ni shin rasa betul translation lin)


Nih shin bagi ayat contoh untuk lebih senang paham:
Ali san wa watashi ni jisho o kureru (Ali beri saya kamus)
Ali san wa watashi ni jisho o morau (Ali terima kamus dari saya)
Watashi wa Ali san ni jisho o ageru (Saya beri Ali kamus)
Watashi wa Ali san ni jisho o morau (Saya terima kamus dari Ali)

Ali san wa watashi ni kasa o ka$hite kureru (Ali pinjamkan saya payung)
Ali san wa watashi ni kasa o ka$hite morau (Ali terima payung dari saya)
Watashi wa Ali san ni kasa o ka$hite ageru (Saya meminjamkan Ali payung)
Watashi wa Ali san ni kasa o ka$hite morau (Saya terima payung dari Ali)

sebenarnya pening jugak nak paham walaupun dah disusun ayat camnih...hahaha...shin pun pening...



shin cuba kasi faham lagi...
(Ali san) wa (watashi ni) jisho o (kureru) ---> bile ada kureru maksud nye beri, tapi (beri kepada saya).
(Ali) .......kpd/drpd(saya)
-->Ali beri kamus kepada saya.

(Watashi) wa (Ali san ni) jisho o (morau) ---> bile ada morau maksudnye terima
(Saya)......kpd/drpd(Ali)
-->Saya terima kamus dari Ali.



Bole paham skit tak?



[ Last edited by  sh|nobu at 4-1-2008 12:18 PM ]
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Post time 4-1-2008 12:24 PM | Show all posts
Satu lagi kengkadang bile bercakap some words kite gugurkan.. ye tak? contoh cenggini:

Ali san wa jisho o kureru
Sama maksud dengan = Ali san wa watashi ni jisho o kureru (Ali beri saya kamus)

Ali san wa jisho o morau
Sama maksud dengan = Ali san wa watashi ni jisho o morau (Ali terima kamus dari saya)


Ali san ni jisho o ageru
Sama maksud dengan = Watashi wa Ali san ni jisho o ageru (Saya beri Ali kamus)

Ali san ni jisho o morau
Sama maksud dengan = Watashi wa Ali san ni jisho o morau (Saya terima kamus dari Ali)



Kalau yang camnih kite kene dengar dan tengok ayat tu secara teliti, yang penting kene tengok/dengar penggunaan partikel (wa atau ni) dan ageru/kureru/morau tuh....
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 Author| Post time 5-1-2008 06:14 PM | Show all posts

Reply #441 sh|nobu's post

mmm tula..aku pn rase kureru tu cm ageru....tu yg cm konpius sket tu..tp bile bace contoh yg ko tulis n aku bace buku aku...skang baru cm phm sket....adehh asek konpius jek

maksudnye kalo kureru tu kire cm owang beri pd kite la...
kalo morau lak kite dpt dr owang....
kalo ageru lak kite bagi pd owang...

kan??   (konpius balekkk)
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Post time 5-1-2008 06:36 PM | Show all posts

Reply #443 lin_okinawa's post

aha betul tu lin! aku pung rasa camtuh la kalau nak ditranslate kan ke bm kan...

kureru - orang beri kat kite...
morau - kite dapat daripada orang....
ageru - kite beri kepada orang...

bagus gak buat kesimpulan camnih baru lebih faham... tapi tanye lagi nextweek lupe balik lagi....hahaha...
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Post time 5-1-2008 08:04 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by lin_okinawa at 2007/12/30 04:25 PM
ok bia aku nk summarize kan yg part kureru tu...sbb nk kasik aku phm lagik wakakaka

kalo cm nk buat ayat kureru tu....
ayat tu psl kite kan...so bile kite nk ckp sumthing pastu letak kureru.. ...


zenzen heiki.. leh je terbalik cmtu. yg penting particle 'ga' or 'wa' tu jatuh kt sape.
tu yg jd penanda bg perbuatan2 or verb2 td ^^
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Post time 5-1-2008 08:05 PM | Show all posts

Reply #444 sh|nobu's post

un sou sou.. igt camtu pn bagus. sng sket nk paham hehe
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Post time 5-1-2008 10:03 PM | Show all posts
makacih kambin san...
susah jugak bab ni kan...shin pun dari hari tu confisus yang amat sangat...
hari2 tengok balik buku nak kasi paham pastu lupe balik konsep die..
tapi rasanya skang ni dah dpt paham dgn lebih senang la...
kalau written lagi cepat faham, tapi kalau listening tu masih lembab lagi kut... hahaha..
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Post time 5-1-2008 10:06 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by adheq at 30-12-2007 05:31 PM
hajimema$hite !
watashi wa adheq desu. yoroshiku onegaishimasu

hehe... aku hentam je tuh. ni... aku baru nak start blajo page 1. mintak tunjuk ajar okehhhh :pompom: :2cool:



konnichiwa adheq! selamat belajar..
kochira koso yoroshiku ne! ganbatte kudasai...
ape mende takpaham tanye je, kat sini ada banyak sensei... sensei yang berada di nihon, sensei di mesia...sumer ade...
shin pong masih belajar lagi ni...

isshoni ganbarimasu!
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 Author| Post time 6-1-2008 09:16 AM | Show all posts

Reply #445 kambinhijau's post

ooo ok phm...tenkiuk!
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 Author| Post time 6-1-2008 09:18 AM | Show all posts

Reply #447 sh|nobu's post

samela cm aku...aku ni tggl bab morau sume tu dh berbulan
lps jlpt 2 thn lps...tros aku cm dh tk bape blaja sgt sbb bz
ni nk kene bukak buku balek sbb klas nihongo kt uitm tu start 8jan wakakakaka
klas kt mmu lak dh abis..so leh  la shuuchuu bebtol kt klas nihongo ni...
eh ko nk tk g nihongo exhibition kt jpn foundation 14-23jan ni???kalo nk, leh ikut aku skali
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Post time 6-1-2008 06:13 PM | Show all posts

Reply #450 lin_okinawa's post

eh yeke? 14-23 ke? eeii nak pegi la! jom gi sesama nak? eh ko tau info ni dari mane ek?
japan foundation kat ner eh? nak gi ari apa? aku tanye laki aku dulu ek bile die off sbb die mesti nak ikut jugak kalo bab2 nihon tu on aje die...hehee...

[ Last edited by  sh|nobu at 6-1-2008 06:52 PM ]
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Post time 7-1-2008 12:30 PM | Show all posts
hudwaahh~..
dah byk da conclusion baghu dr shin ngn lin ek..
haku pulak dok berpusing kpale bace..fenin siot..seyes..
kambin san pulak dok intai2 gtu jaa..jgn kedekut ilmu sgt kambin san..
nnt rumput yg dicari berlari2 kang(joudan eh )
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 Author| Post time 7-1-2008 02:32 PM | Show all posts

Reply #451 sh|nobu's post

aiyaa...segannye aku...husband ko ade
mmm aku tk pasti lg nk p bile...lgpon die nye 14-23jan kan...so ade byk mase gk la nk pk bile pegi
aku dpt info ni pn sbb aku JF nye member...die ade anta email kt aku..

lagi satu..aku dpt tau aritu yg JF pn kuarkan scholarship utk blaja nihongo kt jpn
so ni la peluang kite nk p tanye owang JF psl scholar ni
hopefully adela peluang

p/s: jf dkt menare citibank...yg seblah klcc tu...ke blakang klcc tah
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 Author| Post time 7-1-2008 02:34 PM | Show all posts

Reply #452 purplehyppo's post

rumput leh lari ke?? ke si purple ni ade maksud tersirat??
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Post time 8-1-2008 08:36 AM | Show all posts

Reply #454 lin_okinawa's post

ade maksud tersirat kot? cam sesuatu je dorang berdua tuh...
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Post time 8-1-2008 08:38 AM | Show all posts

Reply #453 lin_okinawa's post

hik hik takyah segan2...laki aku tu gila2 macam aku jugak..mane ade pendiam die tuh...huhuhu
anyway takpe nak kite pikir bile nak gi..14-23jan.. dorang buat kat JF la kan? eh caner ko jadik member JF lin?
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Post time 8-1-2008 08:42 AM | Show all posts

Reply #452 purplehyppo's post

pepel! hisashiburi da ne!
ok tak setsumei shin ngan lin? ada harapan nak jadik sensei tak? huhu
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 Author| Post time 8-1-2008 10:07 AM | Show all posts

Reply #455 sh|nobu's post

tula..sesuatuuu...sesuatuuuu
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 Author| Post time 8-1-2008 10:09 AM | Show all posts

Reply #456 sh|nobu's post

mmmm tula 14-23....lame tu
aku jd member sbb aku slalu duk g library die dlu...
sblm waktu nk duk jlpt tu...aku pinjam buku die sbb nk renshuu
tp jouken ga aru...kalo nk pinjam kene jd member jf dlu...
tu yg aku jd member tu
tp aku rase aku tk renew lg membership die....
kalo tk renew, die cume akan anta email je..surat sume tkde
pastu bile ko nk renew, patot baya rm2 je..tp memandangkn aku dh tamat tempoh renew...
kene baya rm10 cm memule buat kad dlu wakakakakakaka



[ Last edited by  lin_okinawa at 8-1-2008 10:12 AM ]
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 Author| Post time 8-1-2008 10:11 AM | Show all posts

Reply #457 sh|nobu's post

aku rase ko sgt sgt ade harapan nk jd sensei.....ape saje mende yg ko blaja kt klas ko
ko leh letak kt sini...sbb aku pn sblm ni bkn amek klas pn...blaja sendrik sume dr buku je
ade setengah setsumei dlm buku yg phm..ade yg tk...kalo owang setsumei mgkn lg paham

p/s: weh ko pesal dh lame tk ol??



[ Last edited by  lin_okinawa at 8-1-2008 10:13 AM ]
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