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Unassisted Homebirth (Kes Kematian Terbaru #1772 pg71)
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adranatasya posted on 4-1-2014 11:49 AM
X tahu dah nak komen apa. Habis dah berfikiran baik
SH*T!!!! KENAPA MANY MANY MOTHERS ASKED THIS NOBODY IN MANY MANY CHANNELS?
SIAPAKAH DIA NI?
DOC PUN CAKAP BOLEH KE TAK LEPAS BUAT THROUGH ASSESSMENTS. YANG NI CAKAP BOLEH PAKAI AIR LIUR. D*MN.
Kalau ikut cara doula ni senang keje docs semua. Tak payah susah susah buat itu ini.
MEREMANG BUKU ROMA...
CAPS LOCK SEBAB I MMG SUNGGUH TAK FAHAM.
Status dia ni lepas kes arwah ke sebelum? I tak nampak 20th ke 30th? Kalau selepas mmg kurang hajar punya doula. Dah ada org mati under her supervision boleh lagi nak gebang.
Boleh tak suruh KKM awasi perempuan ni? Dengan class dia tu. Dgn apa dia tulis dekat internet. Masya Allah.
Last edited by anarina on 4-1-2014 02:16 PM
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noraidil_06 posted on 4-1-2014 12:06 PM 
KKM take into consideration ke this kind of petition. M not familiar with this. Akak old school. ...
cc rosmah/najib sekali hahaha.
anyway sy join sekali petition tu nnt. |
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anarina posted on 4-1-2014 02:06 PM
SH*T!!!! KENAPA MANY MANY MOTHERS ASKED THIS NOBODY IN MANY MANY CHANNELS?
SIAPAKAH DIA NI?
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anak didik setan kn..berguru dgn google jah..tu yg bagi ajaran sesat..setan pon duduk dkt dia sbb tu senang pengaruhi org lain.. |
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Ladysovereign77 posted on 4-1-2014 04:33 AM
Wait and see. Kena alert dgn GBG takut lps ni if ada org post psl uc death dorg delete cepat2 for ...
Print screeeeeeen.. takot didelete and lepas tu cakap kita memfitnah diorg pulak.. |
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juliez posted on 4-1-2014 04:30 AM
Yg sebetulnya, amani birth & hypnobirthing ni mmg menyokong vbac ker? I dah check their website, ...
Kalau ada complication mesti x kuar gbg.. |
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Count me in for the petition.
Antar kat kak rosmah. Bab2 women and children ni dia sgt perihatin. |
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milo_888 posted on 2-1-2014 06:13 PM
ai harap sangat sorang minah ni baca thread ni... dia aktif baca forum jugak rasanya.. laki bini t ...
Tu sebab aku skng ni jarangggg sgt buka fb.sbb status2 kbykn meloyakan..apa yg aku nmpk hnyalah show off.lagi2 bila ada yg like berjamaah dh rse mcm star sgtlah depa tu.kisah anak gerak2 dlm perut sume nk cita 2,3 kali.gelii hokeyy.aku ngndung pon x gigih nk kepochi.kisah bf anak, ni pon lg msuk bab cepat lekatt.subur manjang kekdahnye.ya Allah mintak dijauhkanlah sikap sebegini.
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cherub posted on 4-1-2014 03:30 PM
Count me in for the petition.
Antar kat kak rosmah. Bab2 women and children ni dia sgt perihatin ...
Kita send seme to ketua puteri ketua wanita...belah PR skali...but i hope bukan UC saje...utk bab taska jugak... |
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Bace fb dr harlina rasa mcm da cukup padat da explaination dorng..
mcmne effort tun asmah dulu utk ibu mengndung sume..
Lepas tuh jadi plak mcm ni.. |
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dealova04 posted on 3-1-2014 12:42 PM
Kannnn... eee.. aku mmg geramm la diorg ni..aku x salah kan kaedah neutral..sape yg x mau..sape ...
Waaa seriaulah bce ksh kau ni..aku br ngndung anak first.dh pk mcm2 pasal cmne nk deliver nnt.air ketuban pecah bpe lme kena tggu br g sepitallah, pasal uri, nk baby besolah..huhu.Ya Allah mudahkanlah jalanku nnt. |
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anarina posted on 4-1-2014 02:06 PM
SH*T!!!! KENAPA MANY MANY MOTHERS ASKED THIS NOBODY IN MANY MANY CHANNELS?
SIAPAKAH DIA NI?
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tu la bahaya betul dorg ni.
takut famili2 kita kena hasut sekali.
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Satire by amy tutuer. Geng hb benci gynae nih.
I have an announcement:
I’ve decided to start my own school for homebirth midwives. I’m concerned that birth has strayed far from what nature intended and part of the reason is improperly trained midwives. Dr. Amy’s College of Raw, Orgasmic, Totally Crunchy Homebirth (CROTCH) will train a new generation of homebirth midwives with greater respect for the animal process of birth than even Carla Hartley and her ilk could imagine.
The motto at Dr. Amy’s CROTCH is nothing so mealy mouthed as “trust birth.” Our motto is “Worship Birth … or your baby will get autism” and we do that by faithfully imitating the other members of the animal kingdom.
In the first place, the term “homebirth” merely represents the fact that it takes place outside the hospital. Obviously it does not take place at home. Our animal sisters give birth in dens and under dense foliage; therefore, a CROTCH birth takes place in a burrow excavated from dirt by the mother in the days leading up to the birth.
In addition:
At CROTCH, we teach our midwives that birth is not simply orgasmic; it is multi-orgasmic. Study of the female orgasm demonstrates that it is typically accompanied by uterine contractions. Therefore, it only stands to reason that birth as nature intended involves an orgasm with every contraction. We feel sorry for those women who merely have an orgasm at the moment of birth. If they had truly worshiped birth, they would have had hundreds of orgasms.
Obviously, clothes are not natural. In addition to prohibiting hats or clothing of any kind on babies, we at CROTCH impress upon midwives the need for THEM to be naked at birth. Clothes interfere with the midwife’s healing aura.
Privacy, of course, is critical. That’s why the mother must be unattended in her burrow. The naked midwife and the mother’s naked partner must always remain downwind of the birthing mother to prevent her labor from stalling by interference with birthy smells. They cannot approach any closer than 100 yards, regardless of how much the mother screams and begs.
If the midwife can’t approach the mother, how can she monitor the labor? She can’t, and she shouldn’t. Monitoring and vaginal exams are evil. They are based on the hegemonic, patriarchal medical model of birth that presumes all mothers and babies have a right to live. Any homebirth midwife with even minimal training knows that some babies aren’t meant to live and that mothers die in the hospital, too.
Prenatal care is totally unnecessary. Do animals have prenatal care? No, they don’t, and if prenatal care were necessary, they wouldn’t be here now.
The moments after birth are critical for the mother and baby to imprint upon each other. That’s why at CROTCH we teach midwives that mothers must lick their babies clean, and midwives must lick the mother’s perineum clean (unless, of course, she is a contortionist and she can lick her own perineum).
The cord must not be severed. The placenta must be left attached until the cord starts to shrivel. Then the mother must eat the entire placenta and cord just like the Khaleesi in Game of Thrones ate the horse heart. At CROTCH we recognize that dehydrating and encapsulating the placenta destroys the very hormones that prevent postpartum depression. All those placenta encapsulation specialists are pathologizing the placenta and stealing the money of innocent mothers for doing so.
Immediately after birth, the mother must place the baby at her breast … and leave there for the next 7 years.
At CROTCH, we recognize that the key to an empowering, spiritual birth is the Holy Trinity. No, not the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, silly; the Mother, the Baby, and the Midwife, or as we prefer to call it: the motherbabymidwife triad. The mother’s body nurtures the baby; the baby knows how to be born; and the midwife knows how to hold the space in the mother’s bank account, previously held by multiple thousands of dollars.
So look for Dr. Amy’s CROTCH, coming to a website near you, and prepare for an empowering birth (raw, orgasmic and totally crunchy) just as nature intended!
This piece is satire, but I fully expect its tenets to be adopted by birth lunatics as their own in 3 … 2 … 1 …
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Attention Homebirth Advocates
Written on November 13, 2013 by areawoman in Natural Birth
Unregistered midwives leading child births face jail or $30,000 fine under new SA laws.
That’s right. South Australia has passed a law to keep rogue midwives from killing babies. The law is apparently named after Lisa Barrett, who is responsible for the deaths of five (FIVE!) infants in the last few years. On her website she recounts — with pride — birth stories full of high risk scenarios and obviously questionable judgement, ranging from… twins whom she allowed to deliver more than 48 hours apart (Story comes complete with a google search whereupon she came back to inform the expectant parents that the average time between delivery of twins is FORTY SEVEN DAYS. Even though most reputable sources and common sense report it as being 17 minutes.)… to a 35 weeker who didn’t begin breathing until TEN MINUTES after she was born… to a HBA3C with a previous vertical incision. Pictures of limp, blue babies abound. Instead of decrying these practices and discussing about why so many homebirths attended by Lisa Barrett end in tragedy, homebirth advocates invite her to speak at their conferences.
If you truly valued the “right” to homebirth, you would be speaking out against midwives like Lisa Barrett, because without her, this law probably wouldn’t have a chance.
A side note: may I point out the irony of Kelly Vincent’s idiotic statement, “I fear it could drive homebirthing further underground, and could result in free birthing – a practice that must be monitored very carefully.”
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Eugene Mama
November 14, 2013 | 2:16 am
FINALLY, a way to stop her in Australia, it is nice to see the law working effectively. I really LOVE that the law is named after her. We could learn from this here in USA, especially in Oregon (where HB MWs go to evade all regulations).
I truly hope she doesn’t come over to the USA, where she could be a HB MW/CPM/LDEM and kill at will. In many states, no one would- or could- stop her from taking very risky births, being grossly negligent, or killing and injuring countless babies.
However, she wouldn’t be so special here, as we have our own, prolific, homegrown, baby slaughterers. They *could* teach her a thing or two about hiding your mistakes (aka negligent deaths) avoiding lawsuits, and dodging paying settlements. (Hiding assets is popular, as is bankruptcy).
The current record holder for number of baby deaths, CPM Brenda Scarpino-Newport of Ohio, with 8 kills- so far- is an expert in evading responsibility in court. She wrote part of a book instructing HB MWs how to get away with never paying judgements (for death and disability they caused).
Lisa may be able to catch up to Brenda, but she better hurry! Brenda is ahead, and still taking patients, so her death toll may increase any day. There are also runners up, vying for the title of most deadly HB MW, that are already tied with, or near, Barretts body count. Who knows who will pull ahead this upcoming year?
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tara
November 14, 2013 | 2:20 pm
Aside from the idiocy of needing to use Google as a diagnostic tool(seriously, if your education needs to be fleshed out by questionable information from the internet, find another job), who in their right mind would accept that most twins are born more than a month apart? You have to be a special kind of stupid to think that is the norm for healthy twin deliveries, and then apply it to a risky homebirth. Lisa Barrett makes all homebirth midwives look bad, it stumps me why they hold her up as a representative for their profession.
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shameonbetterbirth
December 29, 2013 | 5:35 pm
I’ve started a petition to try and get the CPM credential reviewed federally. Please sign and share if you agree with my aims. Thanks
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov ... untability/hF2dcL6g
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There’s a term being batted about right now that I find very disturbing: birth rape. It’s describing some truly traumatic birth experiences where women felt disempowered, bullied and abused by their healthcare providers. They felt they had no choice, but to submit to medical procedures done entirely against their will. They felt violated, betrayed, shamed and terrified. They experienced their births as violence perpetrated on their bodies by people they’d trusted.
These birth experiences were horrible, but were these women raped? No. They may have been abused, manipulated and victims of malpractice, but they were not victims of sexual violence. That’s what rape means and in deep respect for women who have been raped, I think the term “birth rape” is inappropriate. Instead, I’d use the term “birth trauma.” The rage, despair and feelings of violation some women experience after a traumatic, out-of-control birth are valid and powerful, but aren’t the same feelings women experience after rape.
Over the many years I’ve worked in labor and delivery, I’ve witnessed a few births where a heartless, control-freak doctor ignored his patient’s wishes and rights to privacy and respect, bullying her into following his own agenda. I’ve seen a doctor or two treat patients with disturbing behavior ranging from clueless insensitivity to unkindness to abject cruelty. I’ve seen doctors disregard courtesy, modesty and informed consent. I’ve seen some implement interventions without telling patients what they’re doing or why. I’ve seen patients cry when they’ve felt abused by something some jerk-doctor did.
I’ve seen it, but I haven’t seen it very often and that’s saying something because I’ve seen thousands of births. Those jerk-doctors usually get their karma returned somehow. One doctor got sued time and again for malpractice and abuse and was eventually fired by the hospital. Another doctor was such a jerk no other physicians would take call shifts for him. He wound up in a solo-practice, on call every day, night and weekend. That ruined his marriage, alienated him from his children and cost him the respect of the medical community. Karma, dude…it’s powerful stuff.
More often, I see doctors; midwives and nurses bend over backward to supply the best, most compassionate care possible. I see them working as teammates with their patients and families. Most healthcare providers are in it because they have hearts of gold, crystal clear minds and the best intentions.
I’ve also seen patients come in to labor with very rigid ideas about how their birth will go and what they will and won’t allow to happen. I’m thinking about a woman who came to our unit years ago dead set on a 100% natural birth. She labored at home until her contractions were strong and her water broke in a thick, brown puddle on her bed. She started bleeding a little too heavily right after that and her husband insisted she come to the hospital for a labor check. When her doctor examined her and told her she was only 2 centimeters dilated and her baby didn’t feel like she was in the right position, the patient accused the doctor of lying. She refused an ultrasound and fetal heart monitoring and demanded a new doctor. When a midwife and the OB chief of staff consulted with her, she refused their care too. The midwife had a doula on her staff come in to explain why her birth plan couldn’t work for her. The midwife wanted to touch her abdomen and listen to her baby with a Doppler (a handheld device that amplifies baby’s heart beat) and still she refused. No matter what interventions they suggested, she refused; convinced her care providers were out to get her.
Her husband, on the other hand, wanted the midwife, doctor, chief of staff and anyone else the hospital could provide to find out what was wrong with his baby. Even he couldn’t persuade his wife to accept medical care, despite the fact that she was bleeding heavily and oozing meconium.
Finally, when he begged in tears to please, PLEASE, let the doctor do an ultrasound, she agreed, though resentfully and begrudgingly. The ultrasound determined her baby was in an awkward breech position, her placenta was separating, and at 2 centimeters with a first baby, she was hours (or days) away from a vaginal delivery. The doctors advised an immediate C-section. This did not go over well. The poor woman was terrified and furious that the doctors weren’t honoring her no-intervention birth plan. She accused them of bullying her into a C-section she felt strongly she didn’t need. The doctors respectfully and thoroughly explained their recommendations and concerns. Her husband flat-out yelled at her.
It wasn’t until the bleeding got heavier that this woman finally got scared. All of a sudden, she got it! She and her baby were in deep, deep trouble. It wasn’t her doctors who weren’t honoring her birth plan. It was her baby and her body.
After the C-section, her baby spent several days in the NICU. The woman remained angry about what happened, but gradually, realized while her experience had been traumatic, out-of-control and against her wishes, it wasn’t because anyone had victimized her. Sh** happens… Birth trauma happens and sometimes, post-traumatic stress disorder. Reconciling what’s happened to your body with what you thought would happen is a complicated emotional challenge that requires time and attention to process.
I’ve taken care of patients who’ve actually been raped. In all the hospitals I’ve worked, there are policies set in place to create the safest, most respectful and gentlest birth experience possible, not just for patients who’ve been raped, but for all mothers. We supply extra special care whenever needed. In the end, it’s the birth process itself that garners the most respect. Sometimes it’s powerful, overwhelming and yes, even violent, but that’s not rape – that’s trauma. There’s a big, difference. Let’s choose our words wisely and with due respect to the legions of women who know what the word “rape” really means.
Jeanne Faulkner, R.N., lives in Portland, Ore., with her husband and five children. Got a question for Jeanne? Email it to [email protected] and it may be answered in a future blog post. |
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http://10centimeters.com/friday- ... -just-minutes-away/
There are plenty of problems with the “The hospital is only minutes away!” platitude with which all these women are comforting their worried family members.
One is the idea that being “ten minutes” from a hospital means that you can go from realizing there’s a problem to having the baby out and alive in ten minutes. This scenario is certainly realistic. IF YOU’RE ALREADY IN THE HOSPITAL. The hospital where I volunteer as a doula can perform a stat c-section in eight minutes.
If you’re having a homebirth, however, it simply isn’t going to happen. Let’s assume you got lucky and managed to hire a midwife who is not only competent enough to recognize a serious emergent situation and recommend a transfer in a timely fashion, but has a relationship with a hospital where they trust her judgement (read: this is a CNM). This midwife must also have accurate and complete records and bring the chart with her to the hospital. Now, this seems like a no-brainer, but ask these women or any number of L&D nurses that I know, and you will learn that it is sadly uncommon. But I digress.
You will have to get to the ER somehow. If you’ve called EMS, it will probably take them a minimum ten minutes to get to your house, five to ten minutes to grab you, load you in and get the hell out, and another ten minutes to get to the ER. Hopefully the paramedics have called in to let them know what to expect and the OBs are racing to the ER to meet you. If you don’t call an ambulance, it might take less time to get to the hospital (or not, seeing that your laboring body probably isn’t moving too quickly), but you don’t have the call ahead or stabilization the paramedics could provide.
Once you’ve arrived, an entire team flocks to you, hooking up monitors and placing IVs, all while trying to get the appropriate details. Since you’ve had all your care at home, the hospital has no records; if you had been laboring in the hospital, the history and physical notes, progress notes, labs (you’re going to need your blood typed and crossed for surgery), and IV sites WOULD ALREADY BE DONE. If you are dehydrated from laboring for an extended period of time or from an attempt to induce your labor using castor oil, they will have a hard time inserting the IV, which could cost precious minutes. They will use a portable ultrasound to check the baby unless the head (or body, as in the Lucian Kolberstein and Henry Bizzell cases) is out, in which case they will attempt to get the baby out or head straight for the OR. Even the very best and most efficient team is going to take an additional ten minutes after you show up in the ER to have you prepped and in the OR for an emergency cesarean, and that’s with rapid intubation and general anesthesia. The BEST CASE scenario is 30-45 minutes, not the eight it would take if you were already there.
Now, this scenario only applies if you happen to live in an area with a large teaching hospital and on-call OBs 24/7. What happens when the closest hospital is a smaller community hospital? More than likely, the only doctor there is going to be an ER doctor, not an obstetrician. The OB will have to be called in, as an ER doctor isn’t going to perform a cesarean unless you are dead and your baby is still alive, and may live up to 30 minutes away from the hospital. If the ER doctor is able to deliver your baby — which he hasn’t done since med school — he or she may be the only doctor at the hospital, so the focus will be split between you and your child. He or she may not have intubated an neonate since med school, either. He or she may not be required to have a neonatal resuscitation certification. By the time the OB and pediatrician arrive, an hour may have passed since your midwife first realized you were in desperate need of a transfer.
Do you want to go for an hour without breathing? What makes you think your baby does?
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Cherub, great articles. Dua kali baca. Uc mmg teruk sgt. Ish...x sedar2 jugak. |
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anarina posted on 4-1-2014 02:06 PM
SH*T!!!! KENAPA MANY MANY MOTHERS ASKED THIS NOBODY IN MANY MANY CHANNELS?
SIAPAKAH DIA NI?
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Selepas beberapa kematian baru x percaya kot. Btw, 30 dec 
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@cherub Tq. Dah ade law kt australia. Thats good. Dun let all this doula suke2 hasut org n bile ape2 jd lps tgn. |
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adranatasya posted on 4-1-2014 07:45 PM
Cherub, great articles. Dua kali baca. Uc mmg teruk sgt. Ish...x sedar2 jugak.
I will continue to paste more articles.
Mostly sbb one forummer here cakap our thread keluar kat gugel kalau org search hb and uc.
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noraidil_06 posted on 4-1-2014 08:21 PM
@cherub Tq. Dah ade law kt australia. Thats good. Dun let all this doula suke2 hasut org n bile ape2 ...
Yup. I got ghat article for you, dear.
The law came about after petition. |
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Post time 4-1-2014 02:06 PM
