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Hadish sahih ajar omat minum ayerrrrr kencing onta padang paserrrr
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mana bukti - cakap cakap sembang tak ada isi bolehlah ....macam you buat kat CI .
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skru kat otak dah longgar? minta tuhan odin tolong ketat kan 
@changepassword
LOL , sampai skg ko tak paham2 lagi ke?
Pada aku , ko dan sorang tu yg meroyan bagai janda gila talak tu sama aje ...... dua2 bengong ... ha ha
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This is so funny again from this person katowjo
ada lobainita kata kencing unta bagus unuk diminum..disuruhnya kita buktikan najis unta tak baik untuk diminum pulak
takpe lah at least u akui yang bukti u tu theory je..masih dalam peringkat study,testing pun yilek..study by peers sama sendiri duk canang dah bagi proof kehulu hilir...
yang dah diakui sekarang hanyalah...
najis..dalam quran pun sebut kencing tu najis..bila bukhari kata boleh minum..terus campak fahaman kencing tu najis tanpoa apa2 bukti kukuh dari science..setakat "study" yang tak habis je..kat board sendu boleh la bilang menang..sebab x de orang nak layan
kencing najis unta..who pun keluarkan notis memudaratkan...alih2 study dari ntah sape2 dijulangnye semata nak benarkan hadis dia..
simply...hadis kata obat..quran kata najis..mana minah pileh...majority pilih kata najis..
orang taksub je kata kencing unta tu ubat hahahah..rujukan indon...lepas ni boleh juga wuduk nganair kencing..apa daa..banyak sangat pakai extra quranic books.saling contardict sesama mereka...buku ni kata lain..buku tu kata laeeennn...quran dia kata laeennn...last2 biol jadi agama bukhari ni menghalalkan najis la ye kesimpulanye..
ye or no..simple je...
(jawap je yes or no since duk bermatian bela hadis sahih yang contradict quran tu sendiri)
kencing halal..tahik je haram
tunggu jawapan yes or no je la...since this is a marvelous discovery
if dia jawab yes-jadi air kencing is not najis la..quran salah
if jawab no-jadi hadish bukhari yang bukhari sendiri claim"sahih" tu salah..so lagumana lobai ni solat?betul ke dia solat gitu caranye?..bacaan atthahiyat tu nabi baca gitu ke?
hmmmm..interesting..gosh..well..i mean...gosh
Nampak gaya dah kantoi tak dapat jawab with evidence. Therefore resort to emotional appeal. This game is over.
LOL , this dumbo still think peer reviewed is a review by the same gang. Mujur lah org macam ni tak buat any postgraduate work ... guarantee fail punya ... supervisor pon dapat heart attack
When this first came out , the explanation was (post#11)
Hadis yang menjelaskan tentang air kencing unta itu merujuk kepada sekumpulan musafir yang sakit, lalu mengadu kepada Rasulullah. Maka, daripada perkara ini, kita dapat memerhatikan satu "qariinah" ( petunjuk ) yang jelas: Hadis itu TIDAK membawa maksud, kita disuruh menjadikan air kencing unta sebagai "minuman rasmi" atau "minuman adat" kita seperti Pepsi atau Coca Cola atau air kosong. Penggunaan air kencing unta mengikuti petunjuk yang berada di dalam hadis ini khusus untuk penggunaan perubatan ketika 'dharuurah' atau keterdesakan sahaja. Maka, ini tergolong dalam Bab "Berubat Dengan Menggunakan Benda-benda Haram". Adakah dibolehkan atau tidak. Jawapannya dibolehkan ketika dharuurat.
Sekarang no answer except keep on insisting that muslims mesti minum air kencing unta and meroyan pasal hadith lah , Quran lah. Boleh cakap pulak tu bukti tu theory which tells us that this person do not know anything about empirical research and empirical data.
Dah malu dok pusing cakap nak lepas. WHO keluar notis lah , tapi notis tersebut takut bagi .... pasal nanti dia akan kantoi.
Skg 2 things they need to address
(1) Context hadith tersebut : Hadis itu TIDAK membawa maksud, kita disuruh menjadikan air kencing unta sebagai "minuman rasmi" atau "minuman adat" kita seperti Pepsi atau Coca Cola atau air kosong.
(2) The peer reviewed publication that concludes camel urine has anti cancer properties.
Nampak gaya dah kantoi , tak mampu lawan. BTW , punyalah bodoh depa ni. Tak ada kat mana pon yg cakap si tok arab tu minum air kencing unta.
Macam ni depa tak boleh pergi ke Singapore .... kena minum pangsai water (aka new water) ... mak dia orang tak boleh makan Premarin.
Kalo nanti arteries depa tersumbat , tak boleh makan ubat Urokinase pasal it is derived from urine
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hey Sam,
look at this:
najis..dalam quran pun sebut kencing tu najis..bila bukhari kata boleh minum..terus campak fahaman kencing tu najis tanpoa apa2 bukti kukuh dari science..setakat "study" yang tak habis je..kat board sendu boleh la bilang menang..sebab x de orang nak layan
i am telling you , only the weakest minds would resort to this kind of hujah.
hahahahah
teruk, kan?
ni satu lagi
the context is WRE ARE TALKING about a PUBLISHED EMPIRICAL STUDY on CAMEL URINE , i think , if someone actually understands what ' empirical study means ' they would shut their mouth up
she does not know - phase 1 -4 context lah
another example of talking without knowledge
my god - Sam
we are quoting a journal publishing empirical findings/ study on camel urine.
kakau org tu faham emprical study
peer reviewed
depa sure tersenyum , bila mana sanggahan hujah - ni teori ? god - dah tak faham teori and field application
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hahahahah - tapi i think they have the natural talents to misconstrued, misintepret everything. |
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sam1528 replied at 25-7-2016 12:22 PM
Ha ha korang kantoi lagi .... tu lah bangang sangat macam si mat slow @Hujatul_Jihad
Ni dia pee ...
Kajian pak2 lobai kulup arab jugak yg inclined to their religion  |
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Edited by sam1528 at 27-7-2016 11:15 PM
This is again very funny from this character katowjo
nak jawab yes or no pun tak boleh..alahai lobai gosh..
http://www.scidev.net/global/dis ... er-drug-claims.html
setakat study tu duk canang kata betul dah ..what a joke..trials pun x buat2 lagi..canang gi mari gi mari peer review..alik2 suruh pi board sendu dia..still the same..bawak study peer review sama gak..pegi sana sapa nak tgk kebodohan jenis2 rela minum kencing unta demi nak tegakkan hadis
anyway snippet from the only proof yang dicanang
-Trials needed to test camel-urine cancer drug claim
(see..trials pun tak buat duk bilang comfirm dah)
- Scientists in Saudi Arabia claim that a substance in camel urine could cure cancer
(saudi je claim,saudi funded,saudi scientist,patutla byk experts komen kata religion inclined scientist je semua ni)
- Further trials are pending approval from Saudi regulatory bodies
(tak bagi la tu..takut salah,who pun tak bagi,wabak mers lagi..sia2 punya kerja)
- Other researchers question the claims and call for more evidence of the substance's safety and efficacy
(hahahah..shiok sendiri..orang lain tak caya pun sebab?still no proof..nanti suruh reseacrches ni jangan cakap kat lain pi board kkk sendu)
-The researchers, based at King Abdulaziz University (KAU), Jeddah
(no wonder..errr..religion inclined much?)
-the Middle Eastern media have been publicising claims about the substance's potential cancer-curing properties since at least 2009.
(kalau tak menipu bukan arob namanya)
-Faten Abdel-Rahman Khorshid, head of KAU's
(ni ke "expert"yang dijulang2 lobainita..ninja ni sekor je..oh..not religion inclined..cuba google)
-The researchers claim they have also conducted a phase I trial on people with tumours, yet to be published, which showed some promising results
(claimed je pun..yet to be..blablabla..canag macam iya dah..)
-Yet, Khorshid says they have not yet got the green light from the Saudi Food and Drug Authority to conduct further trials
(nak green light kot mana..dah tau benda tu tak jadi,berapa ramai dah mampos gara mers sana..alahai) so question yang masih tak dijawab
yes or no..
3 post dia reply merapu..nak cakap yes or no jauh sekali..M.O sama je..
does this religion take on bukhari or your gods stand on najis unta?
kencing not najis?yes or no?
see..simple..gosh..interesting...maybe kampung brain dont know how to answer then suruh kita pergi board dia senang nak u know..dia kan mod...
LOL , dah stay away from commenting about peer reviewed publication. Dah kantoi.
Little does this person know that when clinical trials would take place , the data from the empirical research is deemed strong enough therefore clinical trials is the next course. This person don't even know that it is the isolated component that would go into the trials not the camel urine per say. This as evidenced by his / her own copy paste :
Researchers in Saudi Arabia say they have identified a substance in camel urine that could cure cancer, but the early stage research is awaiting approval from the Saudi Food and Drug Authority before further studies can be conducted.
Of course in clinical trials data is needed as this is empirical research and already there people who are encouraged bythis development
Michael Jewett, a urology professor and bladder cancer specialist at the University of Toronto, Canada, says he was "impressed" by the research, but warns that further evidence of its ability to cure cancer is needed.
"I am pleased that there is ongoing work to validate this experience in a scientific way," he tells SciDev.Net. "This is not an easy problem to address and there needs to be some high level peer-reviewed scientific reports of evidence […] to move this field forward."
And Edzard Ernst, emeritus professor of complementary medicine at the University of Exeter, United Kingdom, is sceptical of the claims.
"There is no evidence here that this new treatment does anything to the natural history of human cancers," he tells SciDev.Net. "Even if there were positive results, it would be wise to wait for independent replications.
Ha ha , in the end , katowjo is agreeing whith we have been saying all along. Camel Urine has anti cancer properties and have been proven by empirical research. Now is to put it to field application.
The big blunder this person made is that he / she thinks camel urine would be placed into the clinical trials. It common sense that it would not be camel urine but its isolated anti cancer components as attested by her own copy paste.
Ha ha , clinical trials belum /baru start dah gatal mintak data. This is evidence of the person's insecurity. Even if the clinical trials have been concluded , the data would not be published until the neccessary patents have been put in place for intellectual property rights. This can easily take a couple of years. Ha ha , nampak benar blur semacam. Don't even know the legal aspect of protecting one's research.
Now he / she is arguing about najis pulak. This has been addressed in the very beginning , which I repeat :
Hadis yang menjelaskan tentang air kencing unta itu merujuk kepada sekumpulan musafir yang sakit, lalu mengadu kepada Rasulullah. Maka, daripada perkara ini, kita dapat memerhatikan satu "qariinah" ( petunjuk ) yang jelas: Hadis itu TIDAK membawa maksud, kita disuruh menjadikan air kencing unta sebagai "minuman rasmi" atau "minuman adat" kita seperti Pepsi atau Coca Cola atau air kosong. Penggunaan air kencing unta mengikuti petunjuk yang berada di dalam hadis ini khusus untuk penggunaan perubatan ketika 'dharuurah' atau keterdesakan sahaja. Maka, ini tergolong dalam Bab "Berubat Dengan Menggunakan Benda-benda Haram". Adakah dibolehkan atau tidak. Jawapannya dibolehkan ketika dharuurat.
Kalau dah blur ttg hukum Islam , lebih baik diam saja. Mungkin org lain tak nampak yg diri tu bodoh.
Some people never learn. In the end , its agreeing with the with what we have been saying all along but gatal mintak data for trials that have not yet started or baru start. Dah kantoi , nak cari exit path.
LOL , pulak dah nak tanya pasal hukum najis tapi tak tau ttg darurat sebagaimana diterangkan pada permulaan.
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Edited by sam1528 at 27-7-2016 10:46 PM
Ha ha , onle liner reply bermakna ko blur ttg the issue on hand.
Soalan senang aje :
For the 12th time
Jelaskan dari artikel korang sendiri :
‘Food hygiene practices should be observed,’ WHO said in a statement.
‘People should avoid drinking raw camel milk or camel urine, or eating meat that has not been properly cooked.’
Apa makna tersebut? Apa WHO cakap ttg camel urine? Korang tau tak apa WHO?
Sekarang ko kena bagi aku peer reviewed publication yg kata camel urine tak ada anti cancer properties.
Lets see how good you are.
Agak2 nya kalo ko nanti kena cancer , berapa gelen camel urine ko nak sental?
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Edited by sam1528 at 28-7-2016 12:09 AM
This is going to hurt katowjo
Peer reviewed publication dated : June 23 2016
The Growth Inhibitory Potential and Antimetastatic Effect of Camel Urine on Breast Cancer Cells In Vitro and In Vivo.
Although it may sound unpleasant, camel urine has been consumed extensively for years in the Middle East as it is believed to be able to treat a wide range of diseases such as fever, cold, or even cancer. People usually take it by mixing small drops with camel milk or take it directly. The project aims to study the effects of camel urine in inhibiting the growth potential and metastatic ability of 4T1 cancer cell line in vitro and in vivo. Based on the MTT result, the cytotoxicity of camel urine against 4T1 cell was established, and it was dose-dependent. Additionally, the antimetastatic potential of camel urine was tested by running several assays such as scratch assay, migration and invasion assay, and mouse aortic ring assay with promising results in the ability of camel urine to inhibit metastatic process of the 4T1 cells. In order to fully establish camel urine's potential, an in vivo study was carried out by treating mice inoculated with 4T1 cells with 2 different doses of camel urine. By the end of the treatment period, the tumor in both treated groups had reduced in size as compared to the control group. Additional assays such as the TUNEL assay, immunophenotyping, cytokine level detection assay, clonogenic assay, and proteome profiler demonstrated the capability of camel urine to reduce and inhibit the metastatic potential of 4T1 cells in vivo. To sum up, further study of anticancer properties of camel urine is justified, as evidenced through the in vitro and in vivo studies carried out. Better results were obtained at higher concentration of camel urine used in vivo. Apart from that, this project has laid out the mechanisms employed by the substance to inhibit the growth and the metastatic process of the 4T1 cell.
In simple words , more camel urine the smaller the tumor becomes
Hmmm , what would he / she say this time?
- Saudi funded research
- religiously inclined research
- the researcher is a ninja
What a dumbo of a bigot. Last2 bagi article yg agree with the empirical data of the peer reviewed research.
** This is really going to hurt katowjo
Dose Escalation Phase I Study in Healthy Volunteers to Evaluate the Safety of a Natural Product PM701
Abstract: Drug discover from natural sources has played an important role in the treatment of cancer and indeed, most new clinical applications of natural materials over the last half century have been applied to combating cancer. Therefore, this study was directed to describe the safety observations following oral administration of an active ingredient PM701 separated from the camel urine which is a clean, sterile product with antiproliferative activity in experimental tumor bearing animals. The study included 14 healthy volunteers with age between 21-48 years (male and female). They were subjected to full history taking, clinical examination and full laboratory tests including liver and kidney functions hematological parameters (Hb, WBCs and platelet count).The same test were done after oral administration of capsules containing PM701. This fraction has been formulated in gelatin capsule containing 300 mg capsule-1. Systemic reactions of normal volunteers after oral administration of capsules containing PM 701over 28 days revealed no adverse effects on the vital organs. Liver and kidney functions showed no abnormalities. Also, complete blood picture revealed normal pattern before and after PM701 treatment. Two patients only developed hyperacidity which was easily been treated. We may conclude that the product MP701 is safe and may be ready to move to the phase II trials on people who all have the same type of cancer or with several different types of cancer aiming to detect which types of cancer PM701 works for and to get more knowledge about side effects and how to manage them.
Ha ha .... this is just too easy |
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sam1528 replied at 27-7-2016 10:44 PM
Ha ha , onle liner reply bermakna ko blur ttg the issue on hand.
Soalan senang aje :
Burden of proof is on u. Ko yg jual obat |
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Edited by sam1528 at 27-7-2016 11:17 PM
Already given tapi you couldn't understand
Not my problem
Why don't we do this and establish a baseline
- what is your religion
- what is your issue
Can you provide the details or are you going to run?
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sam1528 replied at 27-7-2016 11:04 PM
This is going to hurt katowjo
Peer reviewed publication dated : June 23 2016
Paste sekali nama2 arab kat atas tu. Malu2 nk paste kenapa??? Takut org kata pak arab inclined to islam study
Mmg inclined pon. Ada plak kencing onta buat ubat. Bodoh nk mampos |
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Ini aje jawapan ko?
Ia jawapan org yg tak ada pelajaran. Cuba ko pakai otak dan comment ttg artikel tersebut. Ko mampu?
Lagi sekali aku tanya
- what is your religion?
- what is actually your issue?
Berani atau takut jawab
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sam1528 replied at 27-7-2016 11:21 PM
Ini aje jawapan ko?
Ia jawapan org yg tak ada pelajaran. Cuba ko pakai otak dan comment ttg art ...
Setakat pakai study pak arab nk kencing org pandai2 cam kami baik takyah jer
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Ha ha , tu aje ko boleh cakap? Aku rasa si tok arab tu lebih pandai dari ko yg tak mampu comment ttg artikel tersebut.
Lagi sekali aku tanya
- what is your religion?
- what is actually your issue?
Berani atau takut jawab
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sam1528 replied at 27-7-2016 11:28 PM
Ha ha , tu aje ko boleh cakap? Aku rasa si tok arab tu lebih pandai dari ko yg tak mampu comment t ...
Jaja la kencing pak arab tu nk bagi org percaya yg kencing unta ada khasiat |
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Lagi satu yg meroyan bagai janda gila talak
Cuba berfikir secara rasional dan comment ttg artikel tersebut. Ko mampu? Nampak gaya ko tak mampu
Lagi sekali aku tanya
- what is your religion?
- what is actually your issue?
Berani atau takut jawab
Ko takut pasal apa?
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it is an emprical study
pada dia dia confuse - tadi theory now trial data?
i was like
u faham tak emprical study ni ?
hahahahahaah
lebih banyak dia posting lebih banyak i tahu dia confuse
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lah ....
dah bagi dah pun
hehehe
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they are too scared to confront with you directly
i dunno why?
why ah?
attachment anxiety ni kan u know budak kecik je ade
tapi diaorg takut confronting dengan you
takut why?
i dunno
kitayg bagi fakta depa takjawab soalanlah.
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Post time 27-7-2016 05:22 PM
