educated vs uneducated

my-alja

Originally posted by jadree00 at 1-11-2008 01:53 PM
he he teringat taim zaman jad sekolah form 1, suka tengok kehijauan pokok kat luar kelas. Rasa tenang gituh, relax the brain. kalu tak silap, pernah kena ditegur oleh cikgu  sbb dia ingat jad ber ...

hahhaha...pity our kids

nak buat cemana cik jad....sistem rigid, cikgu pun kena jadi rigid
nanti anak murid tak score....mak/ayah melenting bagai
i pernah mengajar subjek accounting dlm kelas seramai 18 org murid....memang rigid tahap gaban sebab nak habiskan silibus...

budak2 berangan memang takdak dlm kelas ku

tapi kalo ajar management...bukan budak saja berangan, dgn cikgu2 pun sama

my-alja

Originally posted by HOTlips at 1-11-2008 06:30 PM
Dgn erti kata lain.... persepi lah kan?
Apa yg org percaya or pandang terhadap sesuatu. Betul?


Tapi tu lah emmbi, persepsi seseorg kdg2 tak mencerminkan education level.
Kdg2 education lev ...

buku edward de bono...beautiful mind
cerita dgn terperinci org2 yg berpersepsi nie

persepsi mak/ayah pun terlalu rigid pasal anak2...bukan sebab dia tak berpelajaran
tapi bykkkk faktor yg mempengaruhi....

my-alja

Originally posted by aizverus at 31-10-2008 02:28 PM
yearghhh

duit tu laa menampak org tu educated tapi actually tak educated pun..
mata masyarakat dah tumpu kat situ..nak wat camner..

even kita dapat phd or jadi prof ape semua, tapi, kalau  ...

hahahha...nak kongsi satu citer
my fren setakat SPM saja....tapi dah keliling satu dunia
so dia nie agak taksub gaklah dgn org2 educated yg ada dikeliling dia...esp yg berduit
bebaru nie pi open house sempena hari raya...

i tgh makan, tetiba dia datang....dia puji makanan tuan rumah nie sedapppppppzzzzzz sesangat
i masa tu duk tgk my lauk, duk cari mana yg sedap sgt tu.... i kata , ye sedap!maybe nak jaga hati.....
balik dr open house, i tanya hubby....lauk mana yg sedapppzzz sgt, knowing my hubby nie kritikal ...hehehhe, dia jawab biasa2 saja...
pikir2 balik dr open house.....takkan sebab tuan rumah tu eduacted dan berdarah royal....makanan dia semuanya sedap....
tapi itulah manusia kann.....

my-alja

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 1-11-2008 01:43 PM

manifestasi ilmu dan iman adalah akhlak ...sapa cakap ni ...
so it's about integration of things.....
being the learned ones does not mean seseorg tu a saint

saint is not a word kot dlm konteks nie
learn is part of fardhu ain....and akhlak is part of fardhu kifayah
we need both to enter to the big city after life

ye ke?

Agul

Perception, judgemnt, when can we drop it?

I wonder how it feels to go for a few hours, maybe one whole without single judging to thought, to anyone and anything.

Or the alternative would be controlled positive judgement, which is still a judgement.

my-alja

you are what you eat
you are what you judge
you are what you think
you are what you dream of

jadree00

Setuju banget. Setinggi mana pun ilmu yg ada, tapi kalu EQ kurang mantap, nak settlekan perkara yg senang pun mungkin boleh jadik susah.

Moga2 Allah permudahkan semua urusan kita walaupun ilmu hanya seciput, EQ pun masih lemah.

hamizao

Wollah ......it sure is lovely to sleep when it rains.....no need for the aircon anyway!
Had an experience when baru balik dari UK....dah lama tak dengar hujan lebat. Malam tu hujan punyalah lebat that the drops on the banana leaves outside my bedroom window were so loud that I just couldn't sleep!
Sorry for the jest.

Aji is surely suggesting an awareness of the things around us, of nature which I am sure was a wonderment to the early people. Hence the development of divine attributes to them................

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 2-11-2008 01:26 AM ]

mbhcsf

but then Hami just to add on  you have written , an editor of discovery magazine once wrote, "...and did u wonder why did the early civilization tend to  always look up to the heaven above?"  . He had written on the  development of the so called monuments like the stone henge ...and etc  and the contribution these monuments have to the civilisation ? he was so amazed that  astronomy  is one of the  most ancient disciplines to evolve  since the dawn of time..."...the need to look up ..."

[ Last edited by  mbhcsf at 2-11-2008 01:21 AM ]

hamizao

Yes indeed especially those above , the constellation, sun, moon, thunder, lightening, rain, wind.........As they have no real knowledge of them yet they "look up" to them as they seemed to affect their lives.

hamizao

Originally posted by aizverus at 31-10-2008 03:00 AM
for me...

educated and not...same jerk
anugerah ALLAH jugak

sebab yang tak educated tetap jugak berjaya

kadang2 taraf prof pun...pemikiran cam kanak2 juga..just for title...
so.sebab t ...

Hami ada menyebut,

"Seharusnya ia  berkaitan dengan kebolehan minda berfikir........................."

Kefahaman tentang apa itu education dan educated harus betul. Kebanyakan berkefahaman
hanya setakan education yang formal. Ini terpulang juga kpd falsafah/sistem education yang dilaksanakan
oleh sesebuah negara. Ada banyak perbezaan. Ada juga tempat2 dimana sarjana boleh di beli atau mudah
didapati. Kan ada perbezaan diantara Stanford, Oxford dan........ Mantin. But my ideal of an education is what
I have mentioned above..............kebolehan minda berfikir. This is all encompassing.

lizz_7777

Hello everyone i'm a first timer. Can I give my humble opinion.
For me everything is based on upbringing kalau betul didikan eloklah perangai begitulah sebaliknye. I rarely jumpe orang yang educated perangai x semenggah usually they are very humble and polite. Yang suke berlagak ni orang x educated(even though not everyone) especially part suke mengaku pandai tapi sebenarnye x orang camne memang bodoh sombong. Educated x boleh di ukur dari segi wang ringgit tapi dari segi ketinggian ilmu dan kerendahan akhlak dan akal budi serta didikan agama macam IQ dan EQ everything must be in complete package barulah boleh di panggil educated. This is just my 2 cent opinion.

my-alja

thanks lizz....

u tak pernah jumpa professionals yg mengaku dia pro tapi tak tahu nak bawak diri dlm majlis?.....huhuhuhu....ramai...ramai...dan ramai

dlm nie pun ramai....i mean dlm cari but not in this board
btw....nak carik ketenangan sambil borak2...masuklah sini

my-alja

kebolehan berfikir ....terlalu mentah isinya kot hami, boleh bagi details..plzz

sebab kalo konteks "kebolehan berfikir" ala malaya nie....u baca, u hafal, u muntah.....well educated already

mbhcsf

Originally posted by my-alja at 4-11-2008 08:39 AM
thanks lizz....

u tak pernah jumpa professionals yg mengaku dia pro tapi tak tahu nak bawak diri dlm majlis?.....huhuhuhu....ramai...ramai...dan ramai

dlm nie pun ramai....i mean dlm cari b ...

but then Alja ada jugak majlis yg bercorak spiritual yg mana duduk bersimpuh lebih baik untuk baca yassin dari duduk kat sofa tapi yg i think sesetengan golongan yg berpakaian cantik, berkasut amboi berjenama mahalnya and so on [ u get my idea] yg dok kat sofa nak baca yassin sedangkan yg muslimin [ lelaki] dok kat carpet yg cantik dan gebu  [ i mean dok kat bawah]  so i tak mau nak  label educated ker tak tapi my prof rasa pelik awat yg dok kat sofa.... so bawa diri  kat majlis ni bukan shj org yg educatd pun canggung tapi macam mana pulak golongan yg dok kat sofa dan tak mau dok kat carpet surau? so u know sapa yg tak tau  bawa majlis? kot kot baju 'rosak' may be
it comes both ways i guess....

mbhcsf

selagi majlis tu yg ok konsepnya or alaaa..should be engaging enough lah kalau u bawa i ke majlis busana wanita cthnya well i might ended reading  Julia Quinn novel hahhahhaaha bosan ler

lizz_7777

Its just my 2 cent opinion. Betul gak yang u cakap its based on yer experience right???? Tu bukan professionals but not professionals kalau betul pro die x kan mengaku.

By the way tanx for inviting. I am enjoy reading everyone's postings.

lizz_7777

U bace.... hafal.... then muntah already label well educated???? Pity!!!! Well its beyond that.... u kene betul betul faham and digest the  knowledge first....couple with few years experience baru leh panggil so called ''well educated''. Lagi lame experience lagi bagus. Just my 2 cent opinion.

HOTlips

May be we can add respect to balance our perception or judgment.

my-alja

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 4-11-2008 08:49 AM

but then Alja ada jugak majlis yg bercorak spiritual yg mana duduk bersimpuh lebih baik untuk baca yassin dari duduk kat sofa tapi yg i think sesetengan golongan yg berpakaian cantik, berkasut  ...

berbaik sangka satu amalan MULIA ....
thru awareness saja rasanya org belajar benda2 camni kann....tak perlu ambik paper dan lulus cemerlang
perlu tak pergi majlis spiritual tapi sembang pasal beli gelang ...peringatan utk diri sendiri