INDONESIA - Defence, Military and Police Issues [Part 3]

hyazinth79

Reply 1076# shantika


    at  least takde jen kami yg kena sembelih komunis mcm kamu tu , UMNO berbohong ye , biasa la , mana ada org tak bohong dlm dunia ni , at least kami tak merempat di dunia sendiri mcm indon , semua perusahaaan kamu tu , bukan org asal indon yg pegang tp yg asalnya imigran saja , yg asli indon cuma jd kuli , at least ada org melayu disini yg jdi billion dan jutawan dgn produk sendiri .

hyazinth79

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt8nL_PxeS0

anwar di indon , petualang bangsa

network

Reply 1062# shantika

Masa konfrontasi tu malaysia perang dgn afrika agaknya yea wak.. buat2 lupa pulak yea wak nie.. Standard latihan je wak guna live ammo, in real conflict/war..lari tetap lari naik teksi adalah standard kan wak.. hebat..hebat..

malberi8

ehh bukan ke kisah pengecut2 TNI kabur naik teksi udah ada di youtube .... yah dasar munafik mana mau mengaku ....

wak2 indon ni uda terlalu stress, diajaknya semua INdoneSial kabur dari thread ini... tetapi dia sendiri masih disini, umpama Pentadang tanpa Izin atau lebih sedap lagi disebut Pendatang Haram IndoneSIAL he he

Johari-Badut

Reply 1065# hyazinth79

Negara pertama? Perang lawan komunis di malysia kapan di mulai dan kapan berakhir? Trus siapa yang backup ATM?

Mau bohong lo ya? Lo pikir gue ngga tau sejarah negara lo? wakakakaa

FYI, komunis di Indonesia tahun 1965 di hancurkan, dan tak perlu waktu lama, dalam kurun waktu 1 tahun komunis benar2 tak ada lagi di Indonesia.

hyazinth79

komunis takde di indon , ? di indon komunis turut terlibat dlm pilihanraya lagi , malah zaman konfrontasi , indonesia dianggap paksi komunis , sbb tulah bnyk bantuan diterima dr negara komunis waktu itu .

jd tak perlu nak berbohong malah saya rasa parti komunis tu masih ada bersembunyi di indonesia sekarang ,

shantika

Reply  hyazinth79

Negara pertama? Perang lawan komunis di malysia kapan di mulai dan kapan berak ...

Johari-Badut Post at 4-11-2010 14:00

Komunis di malaysia lama di tumpasnya bro.. 

Itu pun berkat bantuan inggris yang sebelumnya mempersempit pergerakan komunis di dekat perbatasan malaysia sehingga pihak malaysia tinggal enak nya saja. Sayangnya jasa2 inggris di lupakan oleh orang2 malaysia (seperti biasa lah) dan parahnya lagi taktik inggris di klaim oleh mereka wkwkwk... 
Bandingkan sama Komunis di indonesia yang di tumpas kurang dr 1 tahun, tanpa bantuan negara internasional pulak..

shantika

komunis takde di indon , ? di indon komunis turut terlibat dlm pilihanraya lagi , malah zaman konfro ...
hyazinth79 Post at 4-11-2010 15:42

Siapa bilang komunis takde di indo pak cik??
Sampai masa konfrontasi, komunis mendirikan partai di indonesia tp selepas pemberontakan PKI, goverment langsung memerangi komunis dan tak perlu waktu lama untuk menumpas komunis di indo.. :p

shantika

nak buktikan apa lagi , semua org dah tahu , TNI lari dari medan perang naik teksi , semua rakyat lebanon pun dah tahu , mungkin lepas ni ada teksi tgg di luar gate , mana tahu ada yg lari nnti . british cuma ada di malaysia pada tahap pertama je , bukan seterusnya , tu la gunanya kawan , bila ssh ada , tak mcm indon lawan timor timor , takde yg tolong semua hentam ,

hyazinth79 Post at 4-11-2010 09:39

Pihak UN masih mempercayai Indobatt di perbatasan lebanon - israel, bahkan pasukan indobatt mendapat penghargaan dari UN. UN yang tau lebih banyak dr pd sekedar "video teksi" yang di gunakan sbagai propaganda hizbollah.. 

Kalau perform TNI mengecewakan, lantas knapa UN masih percaya?? Knapa pulak TNI tidak di ganti pasukan Malbatt untuk menjaga perbatasan israel - lebanon?? Tahukah pak cik jawabnya?? Sila tanya ke pak johari.. 

hyazinth79

kenapa UN percaya ? mana ada , dorang th indon tak boleh diharap , sbb tu letak kat barisan depan , so klu israel serang boleh UN claim yg TNI lari lintang pukang , berbanding malaysia , yg UN tahu takkan undur , mcm kes di bosnia , tp soalannya kenapa di bosnia TNI tiada ye , mungkin dorang tahu jugak klu letak di bosnia dilu pasti mati hbs org bosnia kena bunuh sbb TNI yg kawal , dah lari lintang pukang

wongedandotcom2

Menhan:
RI Akan Produksi 1.000 Rudal Dengan Nama RHAN-122

Jakarta, 4/11/2010 (Kominfo-Newsroom) Komitmen memperkuat pertahanan di wilayah laut salah satunya diwujudkan Kementerian Pertahanan (Kemhan) dalam program produksi 1.000 roket pertahanan untuk TNI Angkatan Laut. Program ini akan selesai pada 2014 mendatang.

Sebanyak 750 roket diperkirakan selesai pada 2013. Selain roket, dilakukan juga pembelian super tocano (pesawat pengganti), pengembangan produk bom udara untuk pesawat Sukhoi, dan pembuatan parasut untuk TNI Angkatan Darat.

Menteri Pertahanan Purnomo Yusgiantoro mengatakan pada Sabtu (6/10) mendatang akan dilakukan ujicoba terakhir roket di Pusat Latihan Tempur Baturaja, Sumatera Selatan.

“Diharapkan roket ini bisa digunakan untuk TNI AL maupun TNI AD,” kata Purnomo di Kantor Kementerian Pertahanan, Jakarta Kamis (4/11).

Produksi roket ini menurut Purnomo dilakukan untuk melengkapi alat utama sistem senjata (Alutsista) di wilayah laut, terutama wilayah perbatasan. Roket yang diberi nama RHAN-122 ini bisa menjangkau sasaran hingga 14,5 kilometer.

Pada 2012, Kemhan bahkan akan meningkatkan jangkauan hingga 20 kilometer. Dan di tahun 2013, jangkauan akan diusahakan mencapai 33 kilometer.

Kepala Badan Penelitian dan Pengembangan Kemhan, Pos M Batubara mengatakan 90 persen material rudal berasal dari dalam negeri. Hanya tabung dan proklam roket yang masih diekspor dari luar negeri karena industri dalam negeri belum bisa membuatnya.

“Kami sudah meminta PT Pindad yang sudah bekerjasama dengan perusahaan di Malang untuk pengadaan roket ini,” kata Pos.

Menurutnya, harga satu roket diperkirakan hanya 75 juta rupiah. Lebih murah jika beli dari luar yang harganya mencapai 110 juta rupiah per roket. (Yr/rm)

Johari-Badut

Reply 1087# shantika


Si kampret ga tau kali tentang Jendral A.H Nasution yang bukunya: Fundamentals of Guerrilla Warfare telah di terjemahkan ke berbagai bahasa dan di jadikan buku bacaan wajib di academy militer asing, termasuk West Point Amerika.

Johari-Badut

Menhan:
RI Akan Produksi 1.000 Rudal Dengan Nama RHAN-122

Jakarta, 4/11/2010 (Kominfo-Newsroom) ...
wongedandotcom2 Post at 4-11-2010 19:45

Bulan lalu klo ngga salah kan ada ujicoba Rudal Pertahanan. Bukan roket, klo roket itu kan unguided.. Ga ada gambarnya ya bro?

shantika

kenapa UN percaya ? mana ada , dorang th indon tak boleh diharap , sbb tu letak kat barisan depan , so klu israel serang boleh UN claim yg TNI lari lintang pukang , berbanding malaysia , yg UN tahu takkan undur , mcm kes di bosnia , tp soalannya kenapa di bosnia TNI tiada ye , mungkin dorang tahu jugak klu letak di bosnia dilu pasti mati hbs org bosnia kena bunuh sbb TNI yg kawal , dah lari lintang pukang

kekekek TNI di bilang ga ada di bosnia.. 


Malaysia baru kirim ke bosnia pun sudh bangga sangat.. 
Dan mimpi di siang bolong pulak UN kasih mandat Malaysia jaga Lebanon - Israels border. UN mana mau kasih mandat perbatasan ke pasukan yg tak de pengalaman... 

shantika

Si kampret ga tau kali tentang Jendral A.H Nasution yang bukunya: Fundamentals ...
Johari-Badut Post at 4-11-2010 20:30

dan si Kampret ngga tau ada tokoh Indonesia yg pernah tugas bosnia.. 

shantika

oo TNI latih tentera kemboja ye , saya takut dorang ajar klu nak lari kena panggil teksi nnti , huhuhu

ataupun mereka ajar pakai NV waktu siang jugak .
hyazinth79 Post at 4-11-2010 09:39

di baca pak cik..

Kopassus diam-diam berjasa ikut mendorong kekuatan dominan dalam konflik sampai akhirnya Khmer Merah ikut menerima usulan damai. Khmer Merah, yang menguasai 80 persen wilayah di kamboja, berhasil didesak kubu lawan yang ternyata diam-diam mendapat pelatihan di Pusdikpassus di Batujajar, Bandung, Jabar.

“Kita melatih para tentara pemerintah. Meraka menjadi pasukan utama untuk menggempur Khmer merah hingga akhirnya menyerah. Hingga kini, pasukan kerajaan kamboja tetap dikirim berlatih di batujajar. Mereka sangat berterimakasih atas kerja sama yang diberikan pemerintah RI”, kata Asisten Intelejen Kopassus Kolonel Bambang Ismawan.

Akhir tahun 2008, konflik perbatasan memanas antara kerajaan kamboja dan kerajaan Thailand di sekitar sebuah candi kuno Preah Vihear. Hingga tahun 2009, masih terjadi ketegangan dan penempatan pasukan kedua belah pihak yang saling berhadapan di sekitar candi. Kontak senjata sempat terjadi anatara kedua belah pihak pasukan sehingga menimbulkan kecemasan akan terjadi perang terbuka antara kerajaan kamboja dan kerajaan Thailand.

“Kita sempat mendapat keluhan pihak militer kerajaan Thailand. Mereka tahu bahwa sebagian besar pasukan kamboja yang digelar disana adalah alumni Pusdikpassus Batujajar (Kopassus). Cara gelar dan penempatan pasukan sangat khas dan ditakuti oleh pihak Thailand”, kata Bambang.

Hingga hari ini, militer dan masyarakat kerajaan kamboja menganggap RI sebagai rekan sekaligus saudara tua. Hubungan erat ini sebenarnya sudah terjalin lebih dari seribu tahun lalu silam, ketika penguasa Raja Jayawarman sang pendiri candi Angkor wat tinggal di pulau jawa bersama keluarga Wangsa Syailendra yang mendirikan borobudur

eltoro

pakai night vision waktu siang kau ingat boleh jalan ke , apa la . parade tak parade , tetap tak nampak la , namapun dah night vision , mesti pakai time mlm . yg askar malaysia tu , dia berlatih dalam kem je , lepas tu jurugambar tangkap , dlm kem tak perlulah pakai magazine , sbb ini latihan nak biasakan diri dalam pertempuran malam , ni tak waktu parade pakai NV , apa cite
hyazinth79 Post at 2-11-2010 18:45

banyak alasan percuma cik, kalo TNI pakai night vision dalam parade, diam saja dalam barisan tak buat aksi, tapi kalo ATM pakai night vision buat aksi di depan kamera yg ada flash light , apa yg di lihat ? di tambah lagi jari siap tembak magazen tak ada, apa guna dia masuk jari tu ? canggih banget boleh nembak gak pake peluru

botakgundul

Padahal dari thread itu aja udah keliatan kok kekurangan malaysia ada di mana:
1. UMNO selalu ...
shantika Post at 4-11-2010 06:29

hehehe...kini adalah waktunya buat kita bangsa Indonesia untuk terus menatap kedepan
dan melangkah maju seribu langkah lagi, baik di bidang pertahanan, ekonomi
dan sebagainya. biarkan anjing menggonggong kita tetep melesat maju.


gak usah terlalu di tanggapi coretan coretan dari anggota Barisan Sakit Hati disini.

botakgundul

Reply  hyazinth79

Negara pertama? Perang lawan komunis di malysia kapan di mulai dan kapan berak ...
Johari-Badut Post at 4-11-2010 14:00

   hussshhhh bro,biarkan mereka hidup dalam jaman ke emasan masa lalu "yang di bikin bikin"

ngomong x2, trit perkembangan industri pertahanan malasia yg di bicarakan koq alat pertahanan
luar negeri aja yah? mungkinkah judulnya yg salah?

botakgundul

No alarm bells over Jakarta's military drive
By Trefor Moss

Indonesia has long been the individualist of Asian geopolitics - a big country that behaved like a small one when all those around it were trying to do the opposite.

However, there is a sense that the world's largest Muslim state, and its fourth-largest by population, is slowly beginning to grow into its own skin. A Group of 20 member and arguably Southeast Asia's most functional democracy, Indonesia is starting to exude new political confidence. It is also growing in economic clout, with gross domestic product (GDP) expected to increase by over 6% this year and next year, and probably beyond.

A rising central budget includes bigger earmarks for the Indonesian armed forces, which have been starved of investment for decades and need to end their reliance on off-budget funding in

   

order to become truly professional and accountable. The anticipated 2011 defense budget, now up to US$6.3 billion, should rise incrementally over the coming years and - assuming the economy continues to grow - potentially soon overtake Singapore's to become Southeast Asia's largest.

Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro has already mentally spent the extra money. He envisages 10 squadrons of Sukhoi fighter jets, new frigates and submarines, a modernized airlift capability, and a revamped domestic defense industry. In other words, he is preparing to reposition his country strategically as a more muscular power.

The prospect of a militarily more capable Indonesia has potentially disquieting implications for its Asia-Pacific neighbors. Over the years, Jakarta has come to epitomize the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) way of non-aligned, non-interventionist neutrality. Ten-member ASEAN's do-nothing approach may frustrate outsiders on issues such as Myanmar, but in fact Indonesia's culture of political-military passivity, which permeates ASEAN, has been the bedrock of Southeast Asia's balmy security environment.

When Indonesia was militarily more aggressive in the 1950s and early 1960s, the region seemed far from benign, as those in Malaysia, Singapore and Australia still recall; but once Indonesia went quiet, so for the most part did Southeast Asia in terms of intra-regional conflict, apart from regional involvement in the US-Vietnam war. As the region's strategic tone-setter, to what extent might Indonesia's military rise upset the quiet balance in the Malacca Strait and beyond?

A more military-minded Indonesia clearly would reshape the region - and so the lack of complaint from neighboring countries in the wake of Purnomo's pronouncements on military investment demonstrates that none of them, yet, think that Indonesia has much chance of achieving its aims. "Indonesia's military-modernization plans are only realistic in the very long-term," says Tim Huxley, the executive director of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in Singapore.

He likens Indonesia to South Korea, which took several decades to build a viable defense industry despite a large defense budget and consistent government policy-making. If Indonesia wants to emulate South Korea, Huxley says, then the transition will take between 20 or 30 years. "Indonesia is still at a relatively early stage," he says. "The stuffing has been knocked out of its defense industry."

Bernard Loo, an associate professor at the S Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore, says that Indonesia's decision "to acquire more up-to-date military kit will almost surely begin to feed into their war-fighting capabilities". However, this need not have "any significant implication for regional security and stability, apart from generally positive ones”, he predicts.

Jakarta's ability to maintain defense-spending increases over the long term remains a "big if", Loo thinks. Its main priority - refocused by the recent tsunami and volcanic eruptions - is to address "the need to be able to project power into disaster-hit areas to bring immediate humanitarian relief". Tackling piracy is a second priority, which neighboring states would again embrace - just as they would welcome the increasingly stable Indonesian state that a properly equipped military would underpin.

Democratic might
Indonesia's newfound status as a respectable democratic partner should help it to restock its aging military inventory. A partnership with South Korea to co-develop a fifth-generation fighter aircraft has already been unveiled. If Jakarta sees a strategic partnership with South Korea as the best route to achieving a capable defense industry, then an open tender for new submarines, for which Seoul is one of several bidders, might be expected to go the Koreans' way. “There's a lot of sense in South Korea and Indonesia going down the defense-industry route together,” says Huxley. "They are both medium powers with concerns about the changing strategic balance."

The US may also be willing to help Jakarta accelerate its military modernization efforts. US President Barack Obama is set to visit Indonesia next week not so much for a trip down memory lane (he once lived there) as for the strategic value the US sees in courting Jakarta. American hopes of retaining influence in Southeast Asia arguably rest with the likes of up-and-coming Indonesia, rather than with traditional allies such as Thailand and the Philippines.

Thailand's political turmoil and its improving relationship with China mean than the US can no longer depend on Bangkok as it once did; and though the new Benigno Aquino government in the Philippines has shown itself to be wary of Beijing's perceived bullying tactics in the South China Sea, there is a rising chorus for an end to the US military's basing rights there. By contrast, the region's rising economic stars, Indonesia and Vietnam, have both welcomed US strategic overtures, while also displaying wariness of Chinese advances.

Obama may now prepare the ground by offering mates' rates on the 10 C-130 transport aircraft that Jakarta seeks, with the prospect of more favorable deals to come. The sourcing of equipment is significant, Loo observes, because it will have an impact on Indonesia's ability to engage in cooperative security ventures with Malaysia and Singapore.

Loo regards Russia as a likely top source of Indonesia's future procurements, and it is already clear that Purnomo aims to buy Russian as he retools the air force's combat capability. Russian credit has funded the majority of recent military purchases in Indonesia. However, industry partnerships and technology transfer will become central to future Indonesian defense contracts, and any supplier willing to go along with that cooperation can expect a share of Jakarta's expanding budget.

The only threat to regional stability from Indonesia's military efforts, suggests Huxley, would come with a political shift away from democratization and back towards military-backed authoritarianism. This could feasibly see military spending increase at an even faster rate and the military assuming a more provocative stance towards neighboring states. There is no reason to foresee such a scenario, but Jakarta would do well to resume stalled military reforms in order to mitigate the possibility.

"Relationships within ASEAN have never been better," concludes Loo, who believes that Indonesia's military modernization will be good for Southeast Asia so long as it is "situated within the broader political framework of increasing security cooperation". There is certainly a clear sense both within Indonesia and across ASEAN that Indonesia requires a better equipped and better funded military than it currently possesses.

While there is no real regional suspicion regarding Indonesia's intentions, this could change as its modernization program gains traction. The challenge in Jakarta is to ensure that, as Indonesia assumes its natural role as the region's most powerful strategic actor, it simultaneously remains the anchor of ASEAN's stability.

Trefor Moss is a freelance journalist who covers Asian politics, in particular defense, security and economic issues. He is a former Asia-Pacific editor for Jane's Defense Weekly.

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