Edited by Redskin at 24-3-2018 01:29 PM
Siapakah helper dalam ayat tersebut? Jesusdalam ayat 13, menjelaskan ia adalah Roh Kebenaran.
Helper tersebut mempunyai ciri2 yg merujuk kpd Nabi Muhammad SAW.
Roh Kebenaran (Spirit of Truth) merujuk kpd sesiapa yg dekat dgn Tuhan dan membawa Kebenaran.
7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is toyour advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will notcome to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
Red pinjam ayat2 bro Defcon..
1. Nabi Isa a.s. berkata selagi dia tak pergi, Spirit of Truth TIDAK akan datang.Pengganas Kristian percaya Spirit of Truth tu ialah Holy Spirit. Tapimasalahnya dalam bible (Surah Matthew 18:25) disebut Holy Spirit dah ada masa Nabi Isa dilahirkan.Jadi macam mana tu? Takkan Nabi Isa menipu atau tersalah fakta? Sebaliknyajelas Nabi Muhammad SAW (Spirit of Truth) lahir selepas zaman Nabi Isaa.s. I have yet many things to say unto you, butye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, iscome, he will guide youinto all truth: for he shallnot speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear,[that] shall he speak:and he will shew you things to come. He shallglorify me: for he shall receive of mine,and shall shew [it]unto you."
Shalom...Tapi itu pendapat anda. Teologi Kristianberpegang kepada Roh Kudus juga person/persona. Ingat perumusan Holy Trinity?Satu (being) TUHAN dalam tiga persona (peribadi). Jadi pendapat andasalah. Satu lagi bro, bila He dirujuk dengan Holy Spirit, bukan bermakna hedisini mempunyai konteks jantina.
Org2 Kistian mengatakan Holy Spirit co equal= 100% God Org2 Kistian juga mengatakan Jesus co equal = 100% Human AND 100% God Adakah Holy Spirit yg dikatakan 100% Godshall not speak of himself but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak???
God tidak boleh bercakap dgn sendirinya and need to be told what to say !!!
Ko gila ke apa Shalom?? Ayat ini terang2 menolak ianya BUKAN merujuk kpd Holy Spirit .
Spirit of Truth ini bukan sekadar Spirit TETAPI spirit yg diutuskan utk mengajar manusia. Penganti Jesus yg menjadi perantaraan antara God dgn Manusia.
Adake perkara2 Baru yg diajarkan oleh Holy Spirit tentang Hukum2 selepas pemergian Nabi Isa a.s. NOTHING.
1. Terang2 ayat ini mengatakan Spirit of Truth is not a supernatural being. 2. Kata2 yg keluar darimulut spirit of Truth NOT about himself tetapi mengenai Tuhan yg Esa (God the Father.) 3. SAMA seperti Nabi2 sebelumnya dan selepas Jesus ie. Nabi SAW … orang ini akan memperkatakan direct words from God dan apa2 yg dikurniakan/diberikan oleh God kpd nya 4. Orang ini akan memberitahu perkara2 yg akan terjadi seperti “END TIMES!”
John says: “WE” (Disciples) are of God: he that knoweth God HEARETH US; he that is not of God HEARETH NOT US. Hereby know (WE) the SPIRIT OF TRUTH and the “SPIRIT OF ERROR.” (1 JOHN 4:6)
The term Spirit of Truth, John refers to describe himself and the other HUMANS that represent God!
Seseorang yg ikhlas dan jujur pada dirisendiri semestinya akan menolak dan terima hakikatnya This is NOT abt the Holy Spirit (Roh al Kudus)
Kau memang mata celik membaca ayat2 Bible yg membuktikan BUKAN tentang Holy Spirit..
Semoga Allah SWT bukakan mata hati kau utk melihat kebenaran dan berfikir.
Anda membangkitkan isu, He harus merujukkepada manusia, bukan Roh. Tapi itu pendapat anda. Teologi Kristian berpegangkepada Roh Kudus juga person/persona. Ingat perumusan Holy Trinity? Satu(being) TUHAN dalam tiga persona (peribadi). Jadi pendapat andasalah. Satu lagi bro, bila He dirujuk dengan Holy Spirit, bukan bermakna hedisini mempunyai konteks jantina.
Spirit of Truth merujuk kpd MANUSIA…Org2 yg taat kpd Tuhan dan membawa Kebenaran.
Shalom...Ayat tersebut Jesus tuju kepada Para Rasul danpengikut Jesus yang pertama. Tempoh masa pengikut Jesus, 12 orangPara Rasul sehingga kepada nabi anda ambil masa berapa tahun?
· And I will pray theFATHER and HE shall give you ANOTHER Comforter, that (HE) may abide with you forever.(JOHN 14:16)
Yes..kata2 tersebut Jesus tujukan kpd 12 pengikut2 nya.
Disebabkan Jesus akan meninggalkan pengikut2nya (Sebelum di salib), utk mententeramkan pengikut2 nya, Jesus berkata baginda akan berdoa kpd Tuhan God the Father utk mengutuskan ANOTHER COMFORTER to be with you forever ie. Final Messenger Nabi SAW.
· Even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH whom the world cannot receive because it seeth Him not neither knoweth
Him but ye know Him for He dwelleth with you and shall be in you. (JOHN 14:17)
Ayat seterusnya disini Spirit of Truth merujuk kpd God the Father (Elohim,)
Banyak kata2 Jesus dlm bentuk Ayat Pembayang selalunya disalah tafsirkan oleh org2 Kistian.
I and the Father are one ( One in Purpose) (John 10:30).
One what?? Jesus tak kata pon “one God “tapi korang mandai2 yg kata Jesus is God !!!
“Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone whohas seen me has seen the Father. (John14:9)
Apabila bercakap tentang dirinya, Jesus akan kaitkan tentang Tuhan God the Father. In other words Jesus is saying the Spirit of God is in him. Dlm kisah Doubting Thomas, ia berkata my Lordand my God. Ini merujuk kpd Jesus sebagai my lord dan my God merujuk kpd spirit of God yg ada didlm diri Jesus.
Bukannya Thomas maksudkan Jesus itu Tuhan…NOOOO..
Pengikut2 Jesus yg telah LAMA mengenali Jesus dan dapat bezakan mana satu Lord dan mana satu the One Truly God the Father.
“Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone whohas seen me has seen the Father. (John14:9)
Anyway kisah Thomas ini adalah FORGERY, kisahyg ditokok tambah LATER ADDITION. Red tersenyum sinis bila ex-Kistian Cikgu Chazey Bahalol tarkaajut berok @Chazey sebab dia Tidak Tahu tentang cerita dlm Luke 24 .
Pengikut2 Jesus terperanjat dan ketakutan apabila Jesus menjelma depan mereka seolah2 mereka melihat hantu.
Cikgu Chazey marah2 sebab Red sengaja cakap my lord and my God actually (OMG)...
Why ??..sebab Red dah lama tahu yg kisah Thomas berkata
“ my lord and my God” is FAKE stories, later addition …FORGERY.
Yg banyak terdapat dlm Gospel of John dimana ciri2 Jesus diubah sedikit demi sedikit hingga Jesus menjadi taraf Tuhan.
Dengar Minit 9:27 - They reorder, they invent, they delete and they lie to suit their own purposes. A whole Gospel a tissue of INVENTION and FRAUD.
So ayat John 14:17 bermaksud, Jesus mengatakan (Spirit) Tuhan God the Father tidak diterima manusia sebab dunia tidak nampak Tuhan mahupon mengenal Tuhan ..
TAPI Jesus berkata kpd pengikut2nya “ye know Him for He dwelleth with you and shall be in you.” Sekian lama Jesus mengajar pengikut2nya, Jesus berharap sudah tentu pengikut2nya mengenal Tuhan God the Father “ you know HIM” sebab Spirit of God ada didlm diri dan bersama2 kamu.
For God is Spirit, so those who worship Him must
worship in Spirit and in Truth." (John 4:24)
God the Father juga dirujukkan sebagai Spirit and in Truth..
25 “These things I have spoken to you while Iam still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring toyour remembrance all that I have said to you. 27 Peace I leavewith you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Letnot your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid. 28 Youheard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’
Ayat ini Red jelaskan later bila free...
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