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Jesus never committed killing in his lifetime.
Buddha never committed killing in his lifetime.
But founder of Islam, Muhammad killed, looted, raped and enslaved millions even in his short 22 years reign. (surah 9:5, 48:29....) Last edited by wkk5159 on 25-6-2013 02:45 PM
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Sephiroth posted on 25-6-2013 09:41 AM 
by wkk5159
The key word here is to safe life or to take a life, if circumstances demanding a person to take a life of a vile intention person in order to save the life of an innocent life, then i ok with it.
Still at the end of the day and afterlife, the ultimate judgement is more supernatural than you and me will ever imagine.
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wkk5159 posted on 25-6-2013 10:15 AM
The key word here is to safe life or to take a life, if circumstances demanding a person to take a ...
My judgement is here and now, not in the Afterlife.
IF I were to kill another to save life, I will do so with a clear consciousness. That means that I will commit Sin willingly even so I know I will go to hell for it IF it means of saving others. I will not care if someone praise me as a hero nor if someone curse me as a monster. What needs to be done, must be done for the sake of the general public.
To worry about Afterlife to the point that you ignore (the wrong happening before you in) the present IS Sinful action by itself. One which will net you bad karmic effect REGARDLESS you commited any sins or not. Therefore, it is pointless to worry about Afterlife. You should concentrate about what need to be done HERE and NOW.
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nightlord posted on 25-6-2013 12:41 AM
Dear Mashimaru83,
You muslims asks for examples and for these 3 days i try to give you the latest ...
@nightlord
You muslims asks for examples and for these 3 days i try to give you the latest on muslims killing in the name of Allah for a perceived threat or slight.
@nightlord
We Christians do not pull out a cleaver and hack someone to death and shout "Praise Jesus".
@nightlord
What i say to you is that Islam allows a violent person to take a life and justifies it in Allah's name. It is a psychological conditioning that allows ANY muslim if he so chooses to take the life of any American or caucasian, Christian, Jew, deviant muslims, apostates -- people who are fair game because the Quran and Hadith allows it.
I am just proving a point with real life examples of muslims taking law into their own hands, and in the name of Islam. So i repeat how do a MUSLIM define a good muslim and a bad muslim ?
Again, with the greatest respect please provide the actual Islamic teaching from Al-Quran that allows Muslim to kill innocent people.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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One particular imbecile here is completely missing the point, where can we find any scripture of any organized religions that advocate killing of innocence ? Even cult of Satanism won't advocate this.
What Nightlord was saying is that how come only Islamic faith inspire its believers to kill the innocence and more intriguing even shouting "Allah Hu Akbar" in dong so.
Of course we also find Christian and Buddhist murderers who kill innocent people but people of these faiths never shouted "Hallellujah" or "Amitabha" when carrying out this despicable act. In other words, their motive in killing are not motivated by their religion.
The same cannot be said about Islam where there are countless verses which motivate killing ! ( surah 9:5, 48:29....)
Amazing ow a dangerous paganic cult can transform a normal mind to a rigid zombie mind.
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wkk5159 posted on 25-6-2013 12:07 PM
One particular imbecile here is completely missing the point, where can we find any scripture of any ...
@wkk5159
What Nightlord was saying is that how come only Islamic faith inspire its believers to kill the innocence and more intriguing even shouting "Allah Hu Akbar" in dong so.
Again, what Islamic teaching you and @nightlord are talking about that inspire the killing of innocence? So far both of you have been quoting the actions of some groups of people and not the actual Islamic teaching.
It doesn't matter what kind of words they shouted during the killing. From God point of view, killing is still killing. Just because a Christian doesn't shout "Hallelujah" during the killing of innocence, that doesn't make him a good people.
Again, with the greatest respect please provide the actual Islamic teaching from Al-Quran that says Muslim can kill innocent people.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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The above comment from a Nippon wannabe muslim just consolidate the fact that Islam totally eliminate the ability of their believers to think and reason like a benign human being with conscience.
Totally sick and vile ! |
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nightlord posted on 25-6-2013 12:18 AM
Killing of innocents !
This again shows that you don't even know what you are talking about.
The title of report is as follows :
Takfiri extremists kill prominent Shia Sheikh and 4 others in Egypt
Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:13PM GMT
'Takfiri' comes from the root word 'takfeer or takfir'. Do you know what is the meaning of takfeer or takfir? This means that the killers have already been declared apostates or extremists that they have turned apostates.
In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of one Muslim declaring another Muslim an unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār).
This is inline with the hadith quoted in my post #57 of shedding the blood of an inoccent.
You don't even know the meaning of a simple arabic word and suddenly you come to the conclusion that Islam encourages such.
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wkk5159 posted on 25-6-2013 12:07 PM
One particular imbecile here is completely missing the point, where can we find any scripture of any ...
If you want examples it has been provided
- refer to the jesus rifle
- the comments by gen allenby and gen goroud when they entered jerusalem
(post# 81)
- ex president george ' god spoke to me' bush
These examples caused over a million deaths in Iraq and afghanistan alone.
I asked for data , both you and 'nightlord' keep on giving examples. You guys know what is data? I again reproduce the data from Prof Juan Cole
Till today , you and 'nightlord' are tongue tied but go about beating the bushes appealing to hate sites.
The question here is that between the bible and Quran , the bible has injunction to kill apostates , none in the Quran. The inability of both you and 'nightlord' to provide an answer has been noted. Instead you guys just harp and whine
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Millions of internet users voted that Islam is the most violent religion !
http://www.bestandworst.com/r/73783.htm
WHAT RELIGION IS THE MOST VIOLENT?
[+] serious ballot by dr132000
Religions have historically been behind much of the world's pain and sufferings. Which religion is the best at causing pain, violence, and thus suffering?
But one shameless ustazy is keep on recycling a putrid pie chart by a real life loser historian with dubious reputation by the name of Prof Juan Cole......
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Evil ustazy wrote;
The title of report is as follows :
Takfiri extremists kill prominent Shia Sheikh and 4 others in Egypt
Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:13PM GMT
'Takfiri' comes from the root word 'takfeer or takfir'. Do you know what is the meaning of takfeer or takfir? This means that the killers have already been declared apostates or extremists that they have turned apostates.
In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of one Muslim declaring another Muslim an unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār).
Since takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of one Muslim declaring another Muslim an unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār), the above killers (most likely Sunni) of Shia Sheikhs and 4 others must of course be declared apostates or extremists by Shia sects since they are Sunni !
By the way, historically Sunni and Shia consider each other Takfir (Syiah jika berkembang akan tindas Sunni, kata PAS Kelantan
The Malaysian Insider – Sat, Jun 15, 2013. http://my.news.yahoo.com/syiah-j ... tml?.tsrc=samsungwn. ) and that's why they are killing each other like there is no tomorrow. We have to thank the evil but dumb ustazy here for pointig out and admitting that if any muslim is considered apostate or Takfir, then he or she is obliged to kill or be killed !
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wkk5159 posted on 25-6-2013 04:59 PM
Evil ustazy wrote;
The title of report is as follows :
Takfiri extremists kill prominent Shia Sheikh and 4 others in Egypt
Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:13PM GMT
'Takfiri' comes from the root word 'takfeer or takfir'. Do you know what is the meaning of takfeer or takfir? This means that the killers have already been declared apostates or extremists that they have turned apostates.
In Islamic law, takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of one Muslim declaring another Muslim an unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār).
Since takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of one Muslim declaring another Muslim an unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār), the above killers (most likely Sunni) of Shia Sheikhs and 4 others must of course be declared apostates or extremists by Shia sects since they are Sunni !
By the way, historically Sunni and Shia consider each other Takfir (Syiah jika berkembang akan tindas Sunni, kata PAS Kelantan
The Malaysian Insider – Sat, Jun 15, 2013. http://my.news.yahoo.com/syiah-j ... tml?.tsrc=samsungwn. ) and that's why they are killing each other like there is no tomorrow. We have to thank the evil but dumb ustazy here for pointig out and admitting that if any muslim is considered apostate or Takfir, then he or she is obliged to kill or be killed !
What is your issue apart from harping and whining? You claim that the killers follow the so called injunction of the religion but the report clearly states that the killers have been branded apostates. Where is the connection that these people follow any religious injunction? It doesn't matter if it is sunni or syiah. The issue now that your claim has been negated by the report itself that the killers have been deemed to be apostates. Where the so called religious injunction that you have been trying to imply.
Ha ha , 'nightlord' have been caught (not once but at least 3 times) trying to argue on issues that he no idea of whatsoever. You are a being an apologist for him. Now you are trying to lie your way thru. Appears that lying is second nature in christianity. 'Facepalm'.... how can I miss this , rom3:7
Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner
Lying for the glory of christ? Eh? Ha ha
Why are you trying to lie? The action of these people killing inoccent people is already deemed an act of takfeer. Its the act and motive of killing which proven carries the death penalty. Ha ha , the english of the said hadith is about primary 6 level. Appears that you are below that level.
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Millions of educated, intelligent & well informed internet users voted that Islam is the most violent religion !
http://www.bestandworst.com/r/73783.htm
WHAT RELIGION IS THE MOST VIOLENT?
[+] serious ballot by dr132000
Religions have historically been behind much of the world's pain and sufferings. Which religion is the best at causing pain, violence, and thus suffering?
But one shameless and conscienceless ustazy is keep on recycling a putrid pie chart by a real life loser historian (birds of same feather flock together) with dubious reputation by the name of Prof Juan Cole..........
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A good Samaritan wrote;
Since takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفير‎ takfīr) refers to the practice of one Muslim declaring another Muslim an unbeliever or kafir (pl. kuffār), the above killers (most likely Sunni) of Shia Sheikhs and 4 others must of course be declared apostates or extremists by Shia sects since they are Sunni !
By the way, historically Sunni and Shia consider each other Takfir (Syiah jika berkembang akan tindas Sunni, kata PAS Kelantan
The Malaysian Insider – Sat, Jun 15, 2013. http://my.news.yahoo.com/syiah-j ... tml?.tsrc=samsungwn. ) and that's why they are killing each other like there is no tomorrow. We have to thank the evil but dumb ustazy here for pointig out and admitting that if any muslim is considered apostate or Takfir, then he or she is obliged to kill or be killed !...............
But an evil yet imbecilic ustazy wrote;
What is your issue apart from harping and whining? (this is the best part !) You claim that the killers follow the so called injunction of the religion but the report clearly states that the killers have been branded apostates. Where is the connection that these people follow any religious injunction? It doesn't matter if it is sunni or syiah. The issue now that your claim has been negated by the report itself that the killers have been deemed to be apostates. Where the so called religious injunction that you have been trying to imply.......... |
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wkk5159 posted on 25-6-2013 09:21 PM
Millions of educated, intelligent & well informed internet users voted that Islam is the most violent religion !
http://www.bestandworst.com/r/73783.htm
WHAT RELIGION IS THE MOST VIOLENT?
[+] serious ballot by dr132000
Religions have historically been behind much of the world's pain and sufferings. Which religion is the best at causing pain, violence, and thus suffering?
But one shameless and conscienceless ustazy is keep on recycling a putrid pie chart by a real life loser historian (birds of same feather flock together) with dubious reputation by the name of Prof Juan Cole..........
Ha ha , repeating your silliness just show that you have a very shallow mentality.
'wkk1519' , a rabid crazy bigoted and racist christian appeal to a poll which is what people think , not data but people's speculation
'sam1528' a muslim , appeal to historical data and factual analysis by a reknown academic Prof Juan Cole
Ha ha , the best part , 'wkk5159' claims to be a medical professional. Hmm , a so called 'medical' professional with no appreciation for data and facts.
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wkk5159 posted on 25-6-2013 09:29 PM
A good Samaritan wrote;
Since takfir or takfeer (Arabic: تكفيرR ...
Ha ha , harping and whining at best. You did not even try to respond.
Appears that you have put up the 'white flag'. What is your issue? The report itself stated that the killers have been branded apostates for the act of killing. Ha ha , the example you appeal to negated your argument.
This is so embarrassing for christians.
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That is exactly my point.
The article was written by a MAJORITY Sunni, who branded the 'extremist' TAKFIR. Do you see it?
The majority Sunni are calling the minority TAKFIR who most likely suffer under their rule.
As muslims see each other's sect as TAKFIR (depending on who is referring to whom), then each side will consider the other side's blood to be HALAL.
In other words, muslims kiling other muslims and calling each other TAKFIR.
In this case, it was a small group (but with a force of a hundred) decided that the Shia Sheikh's blood to be halal.
So they killed him for whatever small reason they deemed provocative.
I rest my case. |
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nightlord posted on 25-6-2013 11:10 PM
That is exactly my point.
The article was written by a MAJORITY Sunni, who branded the 'extremist TAKFIR. Do you see it?
The majority Sunni are calling the minority TAKFIR who most likely suffer under their rule.
As muslims see each other's sect as TAKFIR (depending on who is referring to whom), then each side will consider the other side's blood to be HALAL.
In other words, muslims kiling other muslims and calling each other TAKFIR.
In this case, it was a small group (but with a force of a hundred) decided that the Shia Sheikh's blood to be halal.
So they killed him for whatever small reason they deemed provocative.
I rest my case.
You have a big problem with lack of understanding. I have already explained in post#56 which I will explain again :
Sunan Abu Dawud, Vol. 4, Number 4353 which further explains bukhari 9:83:17
“The blood of a Muslim, who confesses that none has the right to be worshiped but God and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: (1) a married person who commits adultery; he is to be stoned and (2) a man who went out fighting against God and His Messenger; he is to be killed or crucified or exiled from the land and (3) a man who murders another person; he is to be killed on account of it.
You are judged per your action. The report per your post #118 clearly stated that the Shia Sheikh was killed by a 'takfiri extremist'. Shias are minority in Egypt and the killers of the Shia Sheikh are branded 'takfiri extremist'. This fact makes nonsense of your claim :
The majority Sunni are calling the minority TAKFIR who most likely suffer under their rule.
You seem to argue without understanding the issue on hand. The killings is exactly opposite of your claim. This is what happen to christians like you who are so obsessed in trying to prove that violence is in the religion of Islam without knowing facts and having the data in hand. You've made a very bad blunder in this case. You don't even understand what you read. Your post#118
Killing of innocents !
Takfiri extremists kill prominent Shia Sheikh and 4 others in Egypt
Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:13PM GMT
Shias, who form just one percent of Egypt’s population, are often under attack by extremist groups in the North African country."
Prominent Egyptian Shia cleric, Sheikh Hassan Shehata, and four of his devotees have been killed in a brutal attack carried out by Takfiri extremists in Giza Province near Cairo.
The attack was carried out on Sunday when a crowd of several hundred assailants attacked Sheikh Shehata’s home and then set it on fire at the village of Abu Mussalam.
Brutal scenes of the crime were posted on the internet late Sunday, showing men dragging Sheikh Shehata’s bloody body on the street and beating him as the Sheikh chanted “Allahu Akbar [God is Great].”
Dozens of other devotees who were at Sheikh Shehata’s house for commemorating a Shia holy day were also injured.
Dr. Khaled Hamza, General Manager of Hawamdia Hospital in Giza, where the Sheikh was taken after the incident, said:
“Initial medical reports reveal that when Sheikh Hassan Shehata arrived to the hospital, he appeared to be slaughtered from his neck, in addition to several injuries around his body,” adding that “the rest of the bodies had several injuries as well as skull fractures.”
Egypt’s security forces have been sent to the village to disperse the crowds and contain the situation.
The Egyptian Prime Minister Hesham Kandil has denounced the incident, saying he was closely following the investigation into the attack and promised that the culprits will be punished.
The incident comes a week after Takfiri clerics insulted Shia Muslims during a rally attended by the Egyptian president.
Shias, who form just one percent of Egypt’s population, are often under attack by extremist groups in the North African country.
I will explain to make it easier for you to understand. If you claim sectarian violence , then per your claim , the killers of the Shia Sheikh will most probably be sunnis. If the article has been written by a sunni , per your cliam therefore the sunnis themselves are branding the killers whom in your mind would be sunnis to be 'takfiris extremists'. You have negated your very own argument.
It is so easy for me to prove that you are wrong. On the other hand , I find that you are so scared to respond to the issue that data has been provided showing that christianity tops killings in the history of the world. You guys are still leading while the rest put together are playing catchup.
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