Is God comprise of One, Two Or Three. One God BUT TWO

sonny~~

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-9-6 10:45 PM:


I am twoness not trinity. The Bible made it clear 'In the begining there was word and word was God .......

and many verses proof that Jesus is God. One God but TWO. Father and Christ.

NIGHTLORD?  dead silence, thy name is . . . .   :hmm:

nightlord

My belief does not contradict T8s.

If he wishes to see Jesus and God as two, it is fine with me.

I do not count god by numbers.

Our Lord Jesus was very specific...."I am the light and the way, and only through me....."

Christians sends their prayers thru Jesus to reach God. I find nothing wrong with T8s belief as he fulfill the very basic ingredient of being a christian - the belief in the divinity of christ.

You, sonny is not a christian, even though you use the term. As Mormons are not christians for they fail the basic belief that Christ is God.


nightlord

sonny~~

misleadin response o NIGHTLORD.  u're lyin to urself as always

lemme rewind
jews, muslims believe in ONE N ONLY ONE GOD.
unitarian christians believe in ONE N ONLY ONE GOD.
twoness christians believe in 2 gods in 1 twoness god.  they dont believe holy spirit is god.
trinity christians believe in 3 gods in 1 trinity god.  they believe father is god, jesus is god n holy spirit is god.
n the 10 commandments said god is ONE N ONE ONLY not 2 gods or 3 gods in 1 twoness god or 1 trinity god.

hence when u said christians' basic belief is in jesus bein god only, u're lyin to urself.  

trinity's basic belief is father, jesus n holy spriti is god.
twoness' basic belief father n jesus is god but holy spirit is no god.
while unitarian's basic belief is ONLY father is god n jesus n holy spirit is no god.  c?  

peace

Kazuo

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-6-28 03:50 PM:

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THE TWO MEMBERS OF ELOHIM

The Bible begins with, "In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth " (Gen. 1:1, New International
Version). Most people assum ...

;)t8 has not been to the baptism of the holy spirit, that's why.  go to one & tell us u don't believe in the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by nightlord at 3-9-2004 03:22 AM:
Please remember, the christian faith only speaks of one god, even the simple prayer Jesus taught us talks of one god,

Our father in heaven,
Holy be thy name,
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done ...

:setuju::setuju::setuju:

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 20-9-2004 05:44 PM:
misleadin response o NIGHTLORD.  u're lyin to urself as always

lemme rewind
jews, muslims believe in ONE N ONLY ONE GOD.
unitarian christians believe in ONE N ONLY ONE GOD.
twoness christians ...

Sonny, a guy can be son, father & husband at the same time, and he is still one man. He only plays different roles at the same time. If man, as creature, can appear in few roles, Creator Almighty God can manifest Himself in 3 different forms as & when as He decides, that's what has been revealed in the Bible. For God, there's nothing impossible, right.

sonny~~

Originally posted by treeza at 2004-9-22 05:25 PM:


Sonny, a guy can be son, father & husband at the same time, and he is still one man. He only plays different roles at the same time. If man, as creature, can appear in few roles, Creator Al ...

we're talkin bout GOD man, not his creation mankind.  if GOD wanna be son father n husband, then hes merely copycat his creation mankind.  right?

why GOD wanna be jesus when he can have his prophets do his work for him?  dont he have trust?

why GOD wanna be holy spirit when he (GOD) supposely almighty n can move thinks with blink of eye?

think bout that bfor u wanna swallow line hook sinker deceptive assumptions, puttin 2 n 2 to make 2 for twoness or 3 for trinity  

peace

nightlord

SONNY YOU ARE SO NEAR SIGHTED, I just need to get you a pair of  specs:lol

The reason GOD sent Jesus was this : freedom to choose our destiny.

OR some may call it free choice.

GOD gave us choice. OR should I say Adam made a boo-boo and now we have the knowledge and freedom to choose.

If GOD had come down himself, we wont have any say in the matter, and then what..........How are we going to develop spiritually, learn from our mistakes and grow as a human, if GOD came down.

What choice do we have, if GOD came down.

GOD made us to worship him.

But that would be meaningless if GOD COMMANDED us to worship him.

Only FREE WILL and the ability of choice makes the meaning of worship meaningful.

Then men became arrogant and deceitful also because of free choice.

That's where Jesus comes in. He came literally for our salvation.

To lead us back onto the correct path, a path to righteous life..... with him as the road to salvation.

And of course to LIVE the WORD of God. Not just to say with your lips that you believe, BUT TO WALK THE TALK, and the TALK is the WORD......... and the WORD of course became flesh(made human) is Jesus........who is the incarnation of the WORD.

CHRISTIANS dont just say they believe, they WALK THE TALK of the WORD.

God Bless

nightlord

sonny~~

Originally posted by nightlord at 2004-9-29 01:04 AM:
SONNY YOU ARE SO NEAR SIGHTED, I just need to get you a pair of  specs:lol

The reason GOD sent Jesus was this : freedom to choose our destiny.

OR some may call it free choice.

GOD gave us  ...

the HARDbottom line jesus no god.  god is no jesus.  simple  

peace

Truth.8

Originally posted by Kazuo at  03:36 AM:


;)t8 has not been to the baptism of the holy spirit, that's why.  go to one & tell us u don't believe in the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit.

are u saying those born christian who believed in Twoness is not Baptized?? wrong answered.

"Christ Jesus who, though existing in the form of God, dii not consider His equality with God something to cling to, but emptied Himself as He took on the form of a slave and became like human beings."

(The letter of Paul to tje Philippians 2:6)

"Jesus cried out with a loud voice, 'Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?' whic means, 'My God, My God, why have Thou forsaken Me?'" (Mark 15:34)

(to cry out in distress is a human weakness?

"Then Jesus asked, 'Who touched Me? Someone touched Me; for I noticed that power has gone out from Me.'" (Luke 8:45 - 46)

(Unawareness is a human limitation)


"But He would withdrwa to deserted places and pray." (Mark 1:35)

(Praying is purely a human need)

"When He came to it, He found nothing but leves, for it was not the season fro figs. He then said to it, May no one eat from you again.'" (Mark 11:13-14)

(A hungry man is an angry man)

"....and while they were sailing He (Jesus) fell asleep." (Luke 8:23)

(Sleep is a human need, and to fall asleep is a human weakness)

"But about the exact date and hour no one knows, not even the angels in the heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Mark 13:32)

(The creatures may not know about the future, but the Creator knows)

"The Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil." (Mathew 4:1)

(The devil can never attempt to tempt God, only the humans)

In the Bible, we find that even for the common man and woman, God is mentioned as their "Father" (e.g. Mathew 6:6, 7:11) and it is customary for the Bibile to mention any prophet of God or righteous man as the son of God; while in the Gospels, Jesus (pbuh) called himslef "the son of man" (e.g. Mathew 13:37), Luke 12:10). A few examples from the Bible are given below:

Adam the Son of God:
"Joseph the son of Heli, whose father and forefathers were Matthat, Levi......Enos, Seth, Adam who was of God." (Luke 3:23-38)

David the Son of God:
"The Lord said to Me, 'Thou art My son, this day have I begotten Thee.'" (Psalms 2:7)

Solomon the Son of God:
"So, that one shall be My son, and I will be his Father." (I Chronicles 22:10)

Israel the Son of God:
"This is the Lord's message, 'Israel is My first born son.'" (Exodus 4:22)

Righteous men, the sons of God:
"You are God's, indeed, you are all sons of the Most High." (Psalms 82:6)

Truth.8

all those been answered. me taking break :gantuk:

Kazuo

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-10-10 06:06 PM:
are u saying those born christian who believed in Twoness is not Baptized?? wrong answered.

i'm talking ab baptism of the holy spirit.

Truth.8

Originally posted by Kazuo at  06:27 AM:


i'm talking ab baptism of the holy spirit.

of course i am talking baptism of holy spirit. are u saying those prophets before Jesus never baptism of the holy spirit is not truth???

i can give many links on twoness believer who are born christians, pastor and etc, are u saying they never been baptised b4??

used ur brain before writing.

Originally posted by salam at 2004-10-11 11:40 AM:
"Christ Jesus who, though existing in the form of God, dii not consider His equality with God something to cling to, but emptied Himself as He took on the form of a slave and became like human ...

Hi Salam,

The methodology of your interpretation is somewhat very limited. In order to see the relevance of the verse, you have to look at the prior and subsequent verses and look at that within the context of place, time when the said verses were made.

Understanding the Bible is, in very general terms, following an order of reading unlike the Koran. So, you couldn't just pluck out one verse and say 'oh, this verse means this [according to what you think]'.

Interestingly, if I were to use the same logic and method which you are using, against the Koran or what may...everything will be in contradiction think about that.

a quote by nightlord...read carefully...i'm sure you didn't read in the first place...

Originally posted by nightlord at 3-9-2004 03:22 AM:
Please remember, the christian faith only speaks of one god, even the simple prayer Jesus taught us talks of one god,

Our father in heaven,
Holy be thy name,
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done.....

Jesus only speaks of one kingdom of god.

Truth 8, you must remember, though Jesus was divinely made, he was still made very much a man. A man who fears, doubts and questions.

Do not judge GOD by man's numerical system of one, two, three - GOD in the new testament manifested in 3 forms. God the father( a name Jesus used to refer to GOD since now he is made a man of flesh and blood), Jesus the son, and the holy spirit that Jesus promise he will send to his followers during the last supper.

There are no two gods or 3 gods, just one. One GOD who wanted  to reach out to us through Jesus.

Muslims will say this is blesphamy, GOD is indivisible.
I say by who's scientific law do you say GOD obeys. GOD obeys no laws whether natural or un-natural because HE IS THE LAW. And if he wish to appear to us in 10,000 forms he can, it is his will.

So we christians, refer to this trinity not because we are praying to three gods, but to remind ourselves of the 3 forms that GOD has shown his face to us, recorded in the new testament.

If you do not wish to pray as Catholics do by refering to the trinity, you can. Just pray to Jesus as he has said - he is the way and only through him can we reach GOD.

GOD bless.

Nightlord

isn't Jesus a God? so why must Christian sends their prayers thru Jesus to reach Jesus OR thru God to reach God?

read above quote...

it still doesn't explain trinity.

WHAT IS THE TRINITY

A.H.Strong; "In the nature of the One God there are three eternal distinctions卆nd these three are equal. "The doctrine of the Trinity does not on one hand assert that three persons are united as one person, or three beings in one being, or three Gods in one God (tritheism); nor on the other hand that God merely manifests himself in three different ways (modal Trinity of manifestations); but rather that there are three eternal distinctions in the substance of God." (Theology p.144)

The Trinity is not three substances but three persons existing simultaneously, which are the one essence. These person's are not separate from the essence, they subsist in it. Nor are there three essences that would make them three God's. God is tri-une as persons but in nature one God. As Athanasius coined the phrase "not dividing the substance nor confusing the persons."

Each person has a position and a relationship to each other. the essence is not exclusive to only one of these at a time such as the Father and at another time the Son. All three have existed throughout eternity. If the Son owes his existence to the Father, or either change's to become another, then neither of them are eternal or self existent. the essence is not divisible among the distinction's of persons but indivisible. While we must guard against separating the three personages (tritheism ) we must also be aware of the flaw of their being numerically one, they are Distinct but not separate. The church has always maintained the indivisibility of God, being so united that they are three inseparable persons. The traditional doctrine called the perichoresis means the mutual indwelling of the three persons, in that each person permeates the other being united in substance. This guarded against any teaching that there are three separate Gods as in tritheism. That if God were deduced to a mathematical formulae he would not be 1+1+1=3 which would be tritheism, but would be 1x1x1=1, a unified one. None of the persons can exist without the other, they all make up the one God in unity. that each person dwells in the other two which makes God indivisible and unquantifiable, so that wherever one of the persons of God is, all of God is there. What we are not saying is that they separate nor physical.

This is why Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily by himself, God cannot be divided, he is one God in his nature but three in persons. Its not a matter of opinion because this is the only conclusion one can come to from the overall body of literature in the scripture. All three are called God, the Father calls the Son God in Heb.1 the Son calls the Father God. All three simultaneously exist.

Today we hear "How is it possible," for Jehovah to be three and one both at the same time? It is illogical, unreasonable, and God is not the author of confusion!"

It is a fact of chemistry that plain water, when placed in a vacuum under gas pressure of 230 millimeters and at a temperature of 0 degrees Centigrade, Will solidify it into ice at the bottom of the container, the liquid will remain in the center and at the top it vaporizes! At a given moment the same water is both solid, liquid and gas, yet all three are manifestations of the same base substance H2O - hydrogen/ two parts; oxygen/ one part.

Can抰 the Creator of this substance be Father, Son and Holy Spirit - three Persons and one Nature as Spirit without violating the law of logic or reason ?

The Bible never says there is only one person in the Godhead such as the Father only, which the J.W.s and other anti Trinitarian cults claim. Nor is it Jesus only, as Oneness Pentecostals claim describing the three as temporal offices appearing one at a time and then changing back to another. There is a distribution of three personas expressed throughout eternity. To dispense of any of the two persons, to have only one at a time is to eliminate essential beings who comprise the nature of God. The Trinity is not in the one God, it is the one God. Each person is equal in essence with none being superior or inferior in that essence of their nature. Positionally they are different, having an ontological order in the Godhead. ( the Father sent the Son ,the Son sends the H.Spirit, the Spirit points back to the Son, and the Son glorifies the Father.) The titles Father and Son are descriptive of persons not roles or offices. They are relationship terms, one cannot be a Father without having a Son nor vice versa. These do not describe what they are but who they are as persons.

"The doctrine of the Trinity is not a result of mere speculation, nor a theory of hypothesis spun by theologians out of their own fancies, still less, as some eminent writers would maintain, the result of the importation of Greek metaphysics into Christian theology

That is a good post...however, I would think that others will still reject this concept. It is far too ingrained in their mindsets to accept any understanding on this matter.

Furthermore, although this is an attempt to explain the Trinity, I would think it will still fall far short to describe the precise nature of God. Words can only go so far in explaining something that is out of this world.

I think, one way of approaching it would be to ask someone to explain and to prescribe the exact boundaries of what is Love. As far I can think, we can say how Love can appear or manifests itself but not explain the very essence of Love itself...thus words fail in the light of the mysteries of God