Sampai bila nasib BUAYA Sarawak akan berterusan begini?

Nyanya

Holah..baru 1,2 je yg back up..apo lak yg victory nyer??
Kitorang dpd tadi 5,6 org da back up dah..blom declare victory pun..
Asek berdebat je..aku bagi iklan sikit..soundtrack dpd film Heart..

"Aku mmg pencinta wanita..namun ku bukan BUAYAAAAA...yg setia pd seribu gadis..ku hanya mencintai diaaaaaa..."

Muehehehe...

TEWAS...Ariffin Bolhassan (kanan) bersama penduduk kampung yang lain, mengangkat buaya katak sepanjang kira-kira dua meter setengah dan seberat 50 kilogram, yang dijumpai tersangkut di dalam jaring, di Sungai Tambirat, Kota Samarahan, semalam.

KOTA SAMARAHAN, Sabtu - Penduduk Kampung Tambirat, kira-kira 20 kilometer dari sini gempar apabila seekor buaya sepanjang kira-kira dua meter tersangkut dalam jaring seorang nelayan ketika menangkap ikan di Sungai Tambirat jam 3 petang ini.

Nelayan terbabit, Ariffin Bolhassan, 34 berkata, ketika hendak menarik jaringnya, dia terasa sesuatu yang berat tersangkut pada jaring. Katanya, dia menyangka seekor ikan besar tersangkut pada jaring, namun terkejut bila melihat seekor buaya (buaya katak) terjerat dalam jaring berkenaan.

"Saya amat terkejut, kerana sepanjang umur hidup inilah pertama kali seekor buaya terjerat dalam jaring yang saya pasang," katanya yang menyangka buaya itu adalah seekor ikan besar.

Selain Ariffin turut membantunya menaikkan buaya sebarat kira-kira 50 kilogram itu ialah Mohd Zakaria Lohi, 24, Ibrahim Buang, 39 dan Kamal Buang, 29 tahun.

Menurut Ibrahim, Sungai Tambirat memang menjadi lubuk buaya, namun setakat ini belum ada kes penduduk di serang buaya. Katanya, penduduk kampung sering kali menjumpai buaya timbul di sungai itu, namun inilah pertama kali buaya tersangkut di dalam jaring. Ditanya apa yang akan dilakukan kepada buaya itu, Ariffin berkata, buaya yang masih hidup itu mungkin akan diserahkan kepada pihak Sarawak Forestry.

"Kita akan serah kepada pihak perhutanan (Sarawak Forestry) memandangkan buaya ini masih hidup," ujarnya.


P/s: Dapat Kat Orang Kampung Tempat tinggal En Hatta Tu Mesti dah kena sembelih buaya kecik nih...huhuhuhu... nasib baik ada orang yang cintakan haiwan

BeanDiesel

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揓ika sah ia reptilia yang membaham anak saya, maka tamatlah pemburuan saya tetapi jika bukan, ada kemungkinan saya dan penduduk kampung akan terus berburu,

BeanDiesel

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Maneating-crocodile-snared-and-out-to-stud/2005/03/13/1110649061887.html

A five-metre-long crocodile said to have eaten more than 80 people has been caught alive in Uganda and transferred to a sanctuary, officials said today.

The giant beast - weighing about a tonne - was captured by wildlife experts who spent three nights camping in the bush before locating their target.

Residents told local media the crocodile killed 83 people over the last two decades, mostly fishermen plying their trade on Lake Victoria off the shores of Bugiri district.

"Much as the residents of Luganga wanted to kill the reptile after our rangers had captured it, it is our responsibility to protect it by removing it from that area and keeping it in a safe place," Uganda Wildlife Authority (UWA) spokeswoman Lillian Nsubuga told Reuters.

The beast, reportedly more than 60 years-old, was trapped using ropes and transported by pick-up truck to Buwama crocodile farm west of the capital Kampala.

The state-owned New Vision newspaper said it "roared" as it was released into a holding ground at the farm yesterday.

Crocodiles sometimes attack and kill villagers collecting water or fishing in Lake Victoria, Africa's biggest lake.
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Experts say most attacks are triggered as humans getting too close, and the crocodiles are protecting their territory.

- Reuters

And that's Uganda. Yay, Malaysia boleh!!

Syd

P/s: Dapat Kat Orang Kampung Tempat tinggal En Hatta Tu Mesti dah kena sembelih buaya kecik nih...huhuhuhu... nasib baik ada orang yang cintakan haiwan

heheh tingat aku kat boye mula2 kena tangkap, kena belah peot tuh
ada ker buaya besa peha tuh boleh telan budak umo 12
sabar jelah aku...

buat para buaya..jgn biar anak2 kecik main tepi sungai
nanti kena tangkap kena belah peot

Nyanya

Huk aloh..tua nyer..60 thn..kalo camtu sayangnya nak bunuh..bela kat zoo sampai umo 100 thn baru gempak..camner la rupanya 60 thn kan?buaya muda2 pun da berkedut..kalo tua apatah lagi!

firebird909

Originally posted by philipinoe2 at 5-10-2006 11:25 AM


are u still blaming the kid/father?...mcm ni la, ingat kes budak kene langgar ngan lori sampai mati kat klang tuh?...die nk melintas jln pegi skola...x tau la salah sape, sbb sblm tu pon dier l ...

awak membuat perbandingan antara kes
BUDAK MENINGGAL DI LANGGAR LORI dgn
BUDAK MENINGGAL DIBAHAM BUAYA? the
then awak nak bandingkan tindakan yg tak rasional diambil oleh org kampong dr kedua-dua belah pihak?
rephrase: LORI(dipandu manusia berakal kunonnya), BUAYA(dipandu napsu serakah tanpa akal pikiran)
nak bandingkan? tu macam ka?

p/s

Nyanya

Aku rasa lepas ni perodua leh buat model baru..Perodua Buaya..tapi takut jugak..nanti datang pakcik tu punyer giler dibelahnya perut perodua buaya tu pulak..yg ada hanya enjin keta..pakcik..pakcik...

philipinoe2

as expected...heh...

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by philipinoe2 at 10/4/06 06:33 PM


nie la antare maksud aku, tp ramai mangkuk tandas x paham...sbb tu aku dah berbuih ckp, pegi sndiri kat srawak tu, kg yg penuh ngan buaye dlm sg diorg, cube hidup mcm mane diorg hidup, duduk staun due, br citer psl ecudate ppl la, respect natures la, peke jadahnyer la....

why do we have to go there and contribute to the problem of territorial crisis between man and animals? why do we have to be there to have a say? we've never been to Israel so we can't talk about Israeli-Palestenian issue too if your logic holds. You asking us to live like the villagers to understand why they do that is like us asking you to live like animals to understand why they behave that way. clearly, it's not a very good argument.

buaye dekat sane bkn seinci due, sumer besar2, besar2 tu xperla lagi, nie gnas2 plak tuh...sbb ape buaye patut dikurangkan jumlahnye?...sbb buaye makin bnyk, makanan makin sikit dlm sg tuh, manusia plak kene jugak mcm mane pon pegi sg nk carik ikan etc...lame2 mcm mane pon pasti buaye tu akan serang manusia!!..kalu takat dok kat bandar, yg buaye pon korg x penah tgk live except kat animal planet/zoo, tp nk ckp mcm expert, x payah la, your words carry no value!!!...

urgh, and your words are so valuable. Look, do you know the type of crocodiles found in that area compete among themselves for territory? They'll kill each other. They're not gonna deplete the food source. They're not gonna overpopulate until there's a croc in every square inch of the river.
Heh, looks like watching Animal Planet helps.

mmg budak kg lebih adventurous, compared to city kids!!budak2 bandar terlalu di spoilt, parents terlalu protective, sampaila anak2 sndiri memberontak..aku x kate sume, tp generally...budak2 kg ko xleh aja jgn pegi sg bahaye ade buaye!! dah mmg dr kecik diorg nmpk buaye, dah dr kecik diorg mandi dlm sg yg penuh buaye, lagi nk citer psl respect nature pe kejadahnye!!...

Have you ever been to a city? Looks like you have no idea what city kids and parents are like. Check out what 'generalization' mean. You may learn something.

Do you know what adventurous mean? Do you know how general that term is? There are many kinds of adventures. Some deal with nature, some deal with speed, some deal with height etc. So don't limit your definition of adventure to getting close to wildlife habitat.

aku sokong bunuh je buaye2 tuh...buaye kalu xde dlm mesia pon stil ade kat laen2 negare, stil budak2 kenal cmne rope bentuk buaye, kan budak2 bandar suke tgk animal planet, g zoo smate2 nk tgk rope bentuk ular...

yeah, pass the burden to other countries. to hell with our ecosystem (i hope you know what it is). that's very responsible. Nescaya Tuhan berkati.

BUNUHLAH BUAYE2 YG MENGGANAS SAME ADE INNOCENT KE KILLER KE, SBB SUATU HARI BILE BUAYE2 TU DAH XDE MAKANAN DLM SG, STIL DIER AKAN MASUK KG ORG CARIK MAKANAN, MCM MANE KES HARIMAU ATTACK PPL DLM AREA RUMAH ORG TUH SNDIRI......TP SBB YG BISING TUH DOK KAT PEKAN/BANDAR, MSTI LA KORG X KESAH KAN, BUKANNYER BUAYE TUH NK DATANG CARIK MAKANAN SAMPAI KE APARTMENT/KONDO KORG YG KAT KL, LONDON, DUBAI, MELBEN, BULAN, PLANET MARIKH TUH!!...KAN?..

read what I wrote about crocodile as territorial animal. if you don't deplete their food source, they won't bother going to your home and rob you.

and please. open your mind. the impact is not just on crocodiles. Don't even think that by killing all crocodiles there the problem is solved for humans. The whole ecosystem may be affected. Ecosystem is a system, you don't just mess with one of its component and expect everything to turn out alright. Heh, looks like modern education does pay off.

firebird909

Originally posted by sibel at 5-10-2006 11:36 AM
ade ultrasound ... leh buat .. ni antara nak buat ngan tidak aje ... antara isu yg perlu difikirkan adalah ilmu untuk memastikan buaya tu dapat ditangkap hidup2. Mmg ade anaesthetics .. kita leh bi ...

HA yang ni AKU SETUJU!
as you said it, ORANG KITA NI MALAS, KejA mau senang.mAlas nak pikir.

p/s EXACTLY!

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by philipinoe2 at 10/4/06 06:48 PM

BETUL TUH, AKU PON X KATE APE YG NORMAL USUALLY IS THE CORRECT BEHAVIOUR!...AKU CKP TULA NORM BUDAK2 KG, LAEN LA BUDAK BANDAR YG KENE BAHAM NGAN BUAYE KAT TEPI SG PADEHAL PARENT DAH ADVICE JGN PEGI TEPI SG, SBB TU BKN NATURE BUDAK BANDAR, RITE?..  

if it's normal, so what? i didn't say whether or not it's normal. i don't care. it's not important since we know that it doesn't determine the right and wrong of this issue.

philipinoe2

please elaborate how the ecosystem particularly in srawak will be affected by the reduction number of crocodile there?...:nerd:...even if there's no single crocodile in srawak, how in heaven the so called "system" collapsed?:hmm::hmm::hmm::hmm:

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by philipinoe2 at 10/4/06 07:15 PM
i believe he's doing something which is very rationale for a father who loss his kid to crocodile.....

maybe a rationale for you, if it happened to yourself, u'll just pray that the killer is found someday...otherwise just forget it, it just an animal who have no brain, rite?..  

that's irrational. look, to talk about rationale you need to take emotion out of the equation.

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by philipinoe2 at 10/4/06 07:25 PM

are u still blaming the kid/father?...mcm ni la, ingat kes budak kene langgar ngan lori sampai mati kat klang tuh?...die nk melintas jln pegi skola...x tau la salah sape, sbb sblm tu pon dier lalu ok je, kire mmg norm dier lalu situ, even dier tau bnyk lori lalu jln tuh, tp sblm tu xde ape2 incident pon berlaku...on that day dier kene langgar ngan lori tu, kene seret berape meter, mati di tempat kejadian...tau ape penduduk kg buat?...diorg belasah pemandu lori separuh mati, diorg bakar lori tuh...rational ke x rational?...mstila x rasional kan?..sbb tu bkn anak korg, msti korg akan ckp: hey mesia ade undang2, no one above the law even pak lah!!......

ingat!! nie analogi aku psl what's rational...x payah la nk ckp: eh tu kes manusia ngan manusia, nie buaye ngan manusia...

yup, tak rasional. in fact, that's barbaric.

so what's your point? an irrational reaction is ok?

Syndora

Originally posted by sibel at 5-10-2006 11:36 AM
ade ultrasound ... leh buat .. ni antara nak buat ngan tidak aje ... antara isu yg perlu difikirkan adalah ilmu untuk memastikan buaya tu dapat ditangkap hidup2. Mmg ade anaesthetics .. kita leh bi ...

Yeap yeap...senang cakap pada mereka2 ni LECEH nak buat semua tu.

Bukannya susah, kalo boleh tangkap boya tu then belah perut, tentu takde masalah tangkap boya tu then bius, oh pleaselah..sedangkan ikan yg lagi kecik pun org boleh bius utk kaji pembiakan, inikan pulak boya..

Tangkap boya, bius, scan, puas hati, kalo negatif letakkan di tebing sungai bila boya dah nak sedar then lepaskan je balik ke tempat asal dia.

Win win situation, boya dapat hidup, org kampung lak tak tanggung beban kena bunuh boya..igt senang bunuh boya ni? Nak kena belah perut, nak check lagi apa dalam tu, pastu nak kena hapus/tanam lak bangkai boya tu..kalo sekor takpe, tapi kalo sebulan 15 ekor? Rajin sgt ke nak buat memenda ni? laaaggiii LECEH..

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by philipinoe2 at 10/4/06 09:55 PM
please elaborate how the ecosystem particularly in srawak will be affected by the reduction number of crocodile there?......even if there's no single crocodile in srawak, how in heaven the so called "system" collapsed?:hmm:  

I can't say about the ecosystem of that location. The nature is very complex. No scientist (yet) can come out with an exact equation of how it works. And it may vary from place to place. We may not be able to pinpoint the exact effect that may occur should one component is eliminated. The effect may be noticable in the near future, or delayed for generations. It may be neglectable, it may be catastrophic. It may be easy to overcome, it may be irreparable.

But one thing is for sure, Don't mess with it.

philipinoe2

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 5-10-2006 02:12 PM


I can't say about the ecosystem of that location. The nature is very complex. No scientist (yet) can come out with an exact equation of how it works. And it may vary from place to place. We may ...

it may vary from place to place?...so whats ur point alleging something which is under your knowledge?..:nerd:..it means, once agains ur argument carries no weight, rite?...

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by philipinoe2 at 10/4/06 10:47 PM


it may vary from place to place?...so whats ur point alleging something which is under your knowledge?....it means, once agains ur argument carries no weight, rite?...  

please analyze what i wrote more carefully. also, please read whatever article you can find about ecology.

what i mean is, if you eliminate one species from places A and B, the effect on place A may or may not be as severe as that on place B. There are way too many variables in the equation that nobody knows exactly. But what I can tell you is that every species is a part of the equation.
I've never made any statement claiming that crocodiles is the most critical component of the ecosystem. I said they matter. I said since we'd better not mess with it since we have no idea how severe the effect would be, and whether or not we can handle it.

philipinoe2

then tell us how crocodile does matter in our ecosystem, esp. in srawak?...u cant just simply asking ppl please dont do this, dont do that but then fail to justify the reason behind that...:pmuka:...