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Daulat Raja, Betul atau Mitos?

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Post time 13-2-2007 07:25 PM | Show all posts
So soalan untuk thread ni, Daulat tu mitos atau bukan?? kan?

pertama skali obviously, akan ada org percaya, dan tak percaya, ada yg nak berlapik ckp nya, ada yg kurang lapiknya..
nway, i would say NO... bukan mitos, kenapa? bila dikata kan mitos... makna nya benda tu, tak ada, kalau ada pun, dah hilang, tak dapat nak dibuktikan ada nya bende tu walaupun dulu...

aku percaya, daulat masih ada pada sultan2 melayu; i used to be a police cadet back in high school, one time kami ada perbarisan yg disaksikan oleh tuanku sultan kedah...it was raining heavily but we have to stand still atas padang kawat tu, until tuanku step up on the podium, ujan berenti; wat freaky is hujan juz berenti on padang kawat (n where the podium is) not the surrounding area... abis ucapan tuanku, he stepped down, rain resume on where we all stand....

satu2 pengalaman i have, but i know better not to ask why,how or mempertikaikan bende tu lagi dah after dat... juz tot i want to share it with u guys.
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Post time 14-2-2007 12:40 AM | Show all posts
Sejarah Melayu juga meriwayatkan,,

peristiwa Bendahara Tun Muthakhir
yg dititahkan bunuh oleh Sultan Mahmud Syah I (1488 -1511)

bersama2 puteranya  Temenggung Tun Hassan
& menantunya Tun Ali (suami puterinya Tun Fatimah)

walaupun dlm peristiwa itu As-Sultan sudah bertindak gopoh
mempercayai fitnah tanpa usul periksa
yg dionarkan oleh beberapa org yg menaruh perasaan dengki
terhadap status yg dipegang Tun Mutakhir...

namun Tun Mutakhir tetap setia terhadap sultannya.
Malah meghalang anak saudaranya dr mempertahankannya...
malahan lagi, mewasiatkan apa jua harta yg ada padanya
diberikan pd sultan sbg khidmat baktinya...

[ Last edited by  sya_sugar_sugar at 14-2-2007 12:44 AM ]
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Post time 14-2-2007 01:00 PM | Show all posts
aku percaye daulat ni still ade pade pemerintah yg benar2 hak..
tp kalo dah raja pun ade saham dlm Carlsberg M'sia tak tau plak aku de..
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Post time 14-2-2007 08:20 PM | Show all posts

Reply #141 galaxie83's post

aku percaya, daulat masih ada pada sultan2 melayu; i used to be a police cadet back in high school, one time kami ada perbarisan yg disaksikan oleh tuanku sultan kedah...it was raining heavily but we have to stand still atas padang kawat tu, until tuanku step up on the podium, ujan berenti; wat freaky is hujan juz berenti on padang kawat (n where the podium is) not the surrounding area... abis ucapan tuanku, he stepped down, rain resume on where we all stand....


It's a freak bro! A single swallow berterbang tidak menandakan musim panas akan tiba.
Dalam al-Quran mengatakan hujan tu kan rahmat! Verily, It is My Sign Allah berfirman. Jadi kalau hujan tu berhenti bemakna rahmat di tarik semula. Allah the All-Knowing........

[ Last edited by  thamrong at 14-2-2007 08:26 PM ]
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Post time 14-2-2007 10:09 PM | Show all posts
wallahualam.. Allah akan memberi keistimewaan kepada sesiapa yg DIA mahukan
siapala kite untuk menghukumnye
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Post time 14-2-2007 10:28 PM | Show all posts
raja2 skrg ada daulat ke? ngabihkan duit rakyat, mana nak ada daulat lg!!!
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Post time 14-2-2007 11:21 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by thamrong at 14-2-2007 08:20 PM


It's a freak bro! A single swallow berterbang tidak menandakan musim panas akan tiba.
Dalam al-Quran mengatakan hujan tu kan rahmat! Verily, It is My Sign Allah berfirman. Jadi kalau hujan t ...


u may see that way if u wish.. tapi Allah dah janji akan mempermudahkan urusan dunia kepada siapa2 yang dikehendakiNya... in that senario, hujan hanya akan menyulitkan keadaan...

its still my thought... than again we all bound to make mistakes...
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Post time 14-2-2007 11:40 PM | Show all posts
Daulat ni ada ....

Waktu Sultan Terengganu (Kalau tak salah Sultan zainal Abidin)
seminggu sebelum baginda magkat,

pelangi keluar berwarna - warni selama seminggu...
tak pernah terjadi lagi kat Trg masa tuh...
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Post time 14-2-2007 11:41 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by shidie27 at 14-2-2007 01:00 PM
aku percaye daulat ni still ade pade pemerintah yg benar2 hak..
tp kalo dah raja pun ade saham dlm Carlsberg M'sia tak tau plak aku de..



tetap ada.........
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Post time 14-2-2007 11:43 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by shidie27 at 14-2-2007 01:00 PM
aku percaye daulat ni still ade pade pemerintah yg benar2 hak..
tp kalo dah raja pun ade saham dlm Carlsberg M'sia tak tau plak aku de..



nun... Sultan Mahmud Paduka mangkat dijulang....

haaaaaaa, suma org tahu As-Sultan mahmud ni gerangan baginda macam mana
perilakunya....


pun still ada daulat....
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Post time 14-2-2007 11:54 PM | Show all posts
haa aku rasa yg org konpius samada daulat ada ke tak iyalah sbb benda ni tak ditunjuk2... daulat tu tetap ada, tak kesah la sket ke banyak, org yg kene daulat atau melanggar daulat plak dikatakan kene tulah... so yg kene tulah takde la ramai sbb raja2 bukan bercampur ngan org2 kebanyakan pun sangat... cuba diaorg jenis tiap2 petang main takraw ngan rakyat cam kawan2 biasa, mau tiap2 ari dengar kisah org kene tulah....
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Post time 15-2-2007 12:18 AM | Show all posts
betul tu.. kebanyakan sultan2,raja2 adalah keturunan Rasulullah jadi tak mustahil mereka ni ade kelebihannye..
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Post time 15-2-2007 12:21 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by shidie27 at 15-2-2007 12:18 AM
betul tu.. kebanyakan sultan2,raja2 adalah keturunan Rasulullah jadi tak mustahil mereka ni ade kelebihannye..



:setuju:
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Post time 15-2-2007 12:38 AM | Show all posts
Raja di Malaysia ni amat beruntung kerana di kekalkan kedudukannya oleh British. Tujuan untuk mentemteramkan massa

orang Melayu. Sungguh pon di saat ini institusi raja itu di anggap  remote dan jauh dari massa rayaat tetapi maseh

lagi di sanjung. Phenomena ni agak pelik sekali. Treaty of London memisahkan wilayah raja-raja Melayu kapada kuasa

Inggeris dan Belanda. Inggeris  mengalakkan kesenambungan raja-raja Melayu di Tanah Melayu untuk tujuan tertentu.

Kita di yakini sultan itu berdaulat tetapi itu satu illusion sahaja. Belanda menghapus kan kedudukan raja Melayu

saperti di Riau, Lingga, Langkat dll. They are private citizen of Republik of Indonesia. Tidak punya kuasa lagi.

Persoalan yang perlu di tanya mana daulat yang di limpahi Allah yang bisa mengekal kan kuasanya . Walhal mereka

berasal dari kelompok yang sama. Hypotesis saya aje...

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Post time 15-2-2007 12:47 AM | Show all posts
sedangkan cucu rasulullah pun di gempur, inikan sultan..
sume belaku ade hikmahnyer..
tgkla indonesia skang ape dah jadi
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Post time 15-2-2007 10:49 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by shidie27 at 15-2-2007 12:18 AM
betul tu.. kebanyakan sultan2,raja2 adalah keturunan Rasulullah jadi tak mustahil mereka ni ade kelebihannye..


Yang aku konfem satu ajer la kat dunia nie iaitu Raja Jordan King Abdullah sebab die memang keturunan Bani Hasyim. Yang lain, Walahualam..selagi belum dibuktikan takleh terima bulat2...

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Post time 15-2-2007 11:00 AM | Show all posts
selalunye Raja/sultan ni menyimpan salasilah mereka.. Masih ade sultan kat nusantara ni yg bernasabkan rasulullah SAW tp aku pun tak tahu sape.. tp aku pasti masih ade
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Post time 15-2-2007 04:46 PM | Show all posts
Oleh Thamrong:
It's a freak bro! A single swallow berterbang tidak menandakan musim panas akan tiba.
Dalam al-Quran mengatakan hujan tu kan rahmat! Verily, It is My Sign Allah berfirman. Jadi kalau hujan tu berhenti bemakna rahmat di tarik semula. Allah the All-Knowing........


I think it is a case of reading too much in a single incident .............!

Allow me to post the following quotes from A History of South-East Asia by DGE Hall:

"The king was the head of the community and as such was bound by the adat the immemorial custom which protected it from magical misfortune, and he held his position because of his knowledge of these usages, not as administrator or power-wielder.When small communities were united to form larger ones the restraints of adat upon the leader's authority, not least in resolving conflicts between local custom, led him to seek a higher sanction for it, and it is thought that this was a potent reason prompting rulers to invite Indian Brahmans to introduce more exalted concepts of monachy to their courts and the appropriate ceremonial for their practilcal application, The most striking of these, the concept of the 'king of the mountain'.........."

"The absorption of Indian culture by the Indonesians has been described as a slow, complex..........Hinduism and Buddhism became merged into Indonesian syncretic cult. Thus the consecration of a powerful ruler as an incarnation of an Indian deity was an adaptation of an indegenous ancestor-cult involving the veneration of deceased chieftains......."

"So courts arose in which priests, literati and artists were indispensible for the ceremonial establishing the ruler's divinity and to erect and administer the temples that were to be the centres of his cult...."

"Paul Wheatley has summarised the consequences of the introduction of the god-king concept into the city states of the Malay Peninsula........The evolution from the primitive community to the territorial state had the following secial aspecte:

from gerontocracy (by tribal elders) to sultanism
  " consensus(again by elders)          " charismatic authority
" pawang (magician)                        " the brahman
" head-hunter                                  " The kshattrya (military caste0
" tribesman                                      " peasant
" kampong                                      " nagara
" spirit-house                                   " temple
" reciprocity                                    " redistribution
" culture                                          " civilization

The categories are a little streatched, but the overall picture is acceptable."

".....the throne represented Mt Meru, supposed to be situated in the centre of the universe."

This has something to do with the Brahmanic conception of the universe........a circular central continent surrounded by seven annular oceans and continents. In the centre was Mt Meru, around which the sun, the moon and the stars revolved and on the summit of which was the city of the gods.

The Buddhist  concept is somewhat different...the continents were described as mountain ranges for example an on the summit, Indra ruled as king...above were still more heavenly abodes.  

" They believed that the king succeeded to his position through his karma ; that is , he was regarded as having acquired higher merit than any of his subjects. His claims to be a chakravartin led him to declare himself to be an embryo Buddha.......gennealogy played its part..."

Well we may have our own opinion on this subject of daulat....to me I do think some may still be in a time warp...just my opinion.....

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Post time 15-2-2007 09:45 PM | Show all posts

Reply #158 hamizao's post

Hamizao , pakar sejarah kita, mengatakan daulat raja ini berunsur daripada agama Hindu dan di reka oleh Brahmin penesihat istana. This is the truth nothing  but the truth. Tapi hari ini di kaitkan dengan Islam kerana raja itu beragama  Islam. Kalau raayatnya menderhaka mereka akan ditimpa tulah. Ini cuma applicable atau berkesan kapada insan yang bangsanya Melayu dan agama Islam.
Mat Salleh yang menjadi penesihat dan kaki buli raja Melayu tak terdengar pon menerima tulah? Samseng Cina tokey lombong bijih timah yang sering ingkar nasihat raja( juga menderhaka) terus dikurniakan kekayaan tanpa tulah. Jadi malang sekali bangsa Melayu ini beragama Islam terpaksa hidup dalam ugutan tulah sebab raja adalah specimen special yang dilindungi Allah. Kesimpulannya munkin lebih baik menjadi bangsa asing dan bukan Islam kerana guarantee kebal dari tulah.

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Post time 16-2-2007 10:44 AM | Show all posts
Saye mengaitkan daulat ini kepada yg HAQ. Cube kite fikirkan, jikalau seseorang raja/sultan itu dr keturunan Rasulullah, dan die cukup beriman kepada Allah, tidakkah Allah beri keistimewaan kepada die? Mcm sekaranglah, kalo kite pegi mencaci guru2 agama tanpa sebab, agak2nye ape yg berlaku?

sbb tu daulat ni tak ade pada semua raja/sultan.
sultan/raja zaman sekarang ni tak taulakan.

Wallahualam.

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