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Above all, Karpal was a great father
BY AZMI SHAROM
April 17, 2014
DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang offering his condolences to Gobind Singh Deo, son of late Karpal Singh, at the former DAP chairman’s home in Jalan Utama, Penang, today. His sons have spoken of their father with nothing but pride and the greatest affection. – The Malaysian Insider pic by Hasnoor Hussain, April 17, 2014.DAP adviser Lim Kit Siang offering his condolences to Gobind Singh Deo, son of late Karpal Singh, at the former DAP chairman’s home in Jalan Utama, Penang, today. His sons have spoken of their father with nothing but pride and the greatest affection. – The Malaysian Insider pic by Hasnoor Hussain, April 17, 2014.For as long as I have been aware of this thing called “politics,” I have been aware of Karpal Singh.
As a boy, my image of him was often humorous, based as they were on classic Lat cartoons.
A particular favourite has Mr Karpal looking gigantic in full court regalia holding aloft a coconut scrapper with one superhuman hand while pointing accusingly at some poor weedy sap with another.
A small man interrupts this dramatic cross examination with a whispered message that Lim Kit Siang was waiting in the court canteen for a party meeting!
It was only later, as I grew older, that I realised Mr Karpal was much more than just the mortal enemy of (Datuk Seri S.) Samy Vellu.
He was fighting for things that have become so very important to me, and I believe, many of my fellow Malaysians – the rule of law, constitutionalism, democracy, human rights and social justice.
I cannot begin to state the importance of the man in Malaysian politics and law.
And Mr Karpal’s bravery, integrity, honesty and decency have been celebrated on these pages by those who knew him far better than me.
I just want to add one thing that I feel has been missing, not by any purposeful oversight, but by the simple fact that he was such a giant figure for this country, that one can be forgiven for forgetting.
I went to school with two of Karpal’s sons. They are my friends still.
In all the time I have known them, they have spoken of their father with nothing but pride and the greatest affection.
Mr Karpal can’t have been home much, being as busy as he was. Yet despite the demands of legal practice and politics on his time, his children love him dearly. That is just a great a testament to the man as any of his political and legal success.
Rest in Peace Mr Karpal. You will be sorely missed. – April 17, 2014.
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Karpal fought forthis case pro bono, he fought for the right of a muslim woman to wear a purdah
Islamic practices
Changing with the times
Wearing a purdah has nothing to do with a Muslim's rights, declared a Malaysian court a decade ago.
Feb 26, 2002
THE judge asked: "Mr Karpal, how do you know that is your client behind the purdah? How I can be sure that the person is the plaintiff?"
Those who were present in court that day in 1991 may remember then High Court (Appellate and Special Powers) Justice Eusoff Chin asking counsel Karpal Singh that question when he heard the application by Halimatussaadiah Kamaruddin for a declaration that the government circular prohibiting her from covering her face was unconstitutional.
They may remember Karpal Singh's reply: "Well your lordship can have a look; my client is prepared to remove the purdah for you to have a look."
And so Halimatussaadiah opened her purdah a little just so Justice Eusoff (who retired as Chief Justice two years ago) could identify her.
The issue of her identity came up again during the trial when then Kuala Lumpur mufti Datuk Abdul Kadir Talib was asked to identify the plaintiff and he was unable to do so.
"He said it was impossible for him to identify the plaintiff by just looking at the eyes, and when this question was put to him, there were three persons in court wearing the purdah," Justice Eusoff noted in his judgment dated Jan 20, 1992, in which he dismissed her application.
That was a case involving the fundamental right to profess and practise one's religion in the workplace in Malaysia that also went up to the then Supreme Court. But Halimatussaadiah lost even there.
As such, while there is no precedent in the Commonwealth in relation to the use of tudung by schoolgirls, the highest court in Malaysia had allowed in 1994 the Public Services Commission (PSC) to prohibit women in the civil service from wearing the purdah.
It is a poor reflection of any democratic society if issues of race and religion can only be raised in the confines of a courtroom where court etiquette calls for decorous behaviour and each speaker/advocate is assumed to be a "learned" person.
As society evolves, questions - of whether a Muslim schoolgirl should cover her aurat while in school, a Hindu schoolboy putting the vibudhi (holy ash) on his forehead or a Sikh schoolboy wearing the turban - will keep popping up.
Public debate and the determination of how far a state should allow a citizen to exercise his or her fundamental right to practise his or her religion should not be based on how sensitive and sensible each group is but our sensitivity and sensibility.
A case in point is the current controversy in neighbouring Singapore where Muslim schoolgirls wanting to wear the tudung when in school have been suspended for refusing to comply with the state-prescribed formula of uniformed dressing for maintaining unity in a multi-racial society.
There has not been enough discourse on the real issues. Instead, while the state has imputed political motive to the father of one of the affected schoolgirls, the government has been accused of not being sensitive to Muslims and of reacting unreasonably to the attacks of Sept 11.
It's not surprising then that the fathers of two affected schoolgirls (has) announced their plans to sue the government.
Judicial pronouncements have their place, especially when they interpret fundamental liberties proscribed in the Federal Constitution. But the general public, with its short memory, rarely remembers these decisions, the grounds of the judgment or even the facts of the case.
How many Malaysians remember Justice Eusoff's judgment (1992, 1 MLJ) or that the Supreme Court (comprising then Lord President Tun Hamid Omar and Justices Edgar Joseph Jr and Mohamed Dzaiddin Abdullah) upheld his decision in 1994?
The tudung and the purdah are quite different attire but both touch on the freedom to practise one's religion.
In that case, Halimatussaadiah - a general clerk in the Perak State Legal Department - had been wearing the purdah since 1983 and the circular prohibiting women in the civil service from covering their face was issued in 1985. There is, however, no circular prohibiting a woman from wearing the tudung.
According to the judgment, the KL mufti, together with his wife, had gone to Ipoh to advise Halimatussaadiah on the "proper dress to be worn by Muslim women" but she stuck to her beliefs.
When she refused to comply with the circular, she was terminated from employment on Dec 16, 1986.
Justice Eusoff ruled that the freedom of religion guaranteed under Article 11(1) of the Constitution was not absolute as Article 11(5) did not authorise any act contrary to any general law relating to public order, public health or morality.
"If the purdah is allowed to be worn by women officers during office hours, a stranger who is not an officer at a particular government office may enter wearing a purdah and, pretending to be a woman officer working there, handle secret files which can certainly lead to dangerous and disastrous results.
"Although government employees are required to wear name tags, the tag does not reflect the true identity of a purdah wearer. The wearer could even be a man with false breasts and having a small kuali tied at his belly to represent a pregnant woman, and none in the office would be able to discover his true identity," he added.
Justice Eusoff also held the prohibition against wearing attire that covered the face did not affect the appellant's constitutional right to practise her religion, adding that the wearing of the purdah had nothing to do with the appellant's constitutional right to profess and practise her religion.
"The mufti gave evidence that purdah was a customary dress worn by Arab women even before the beginning of Islam. According to him, the Quran does not anywhere mention purdah. On the other hand, the Quran expressly prohibits a Muslim woman who performs the tawaf (ceremonial walking around the Kaabah) or while praying from covering her face," he added.
In Malaysia, the matter of exempting turbaned Sikh motorcyclists from wearing helmets and allowing Hindu boys to attend school with the vibudhi on their foreheads were resolved through discussions.
Just because something has not been done before is hardly a reason not to do it or not to challenge status quo and claim what one believes is a right guaranteed under the Constitution.
Take, for example, the practice in Brunei where even non-Muslim Malaysian girls attending government schools are required to wear baju kurung and tudung.
Those who find the tudung objectionable are free to enrol their daughters in a private school. A non-Muslim Brunei citizen may choose to challenge that practice one day.
No social formula can hold true for all time and the state cannot insist on keeping to it because it has been tested and tried the last 45 years or so and has worked fine.
There is no aspect of man that is ceterus paribus - his intellect develops (one hopes), his economic situation improves (given the opportunity), his religious beliefs take on lesser or greater fervour - as long as they do not harm society at large or any particular individual, he should be allowed to practise what he believes in.
But if the state is loath to change status quo, the courts may be the answer after all. Even then, the decision of the highest court can be overturned if the judiciary is so minded.
(This article "Social formula should change with the times" was published in The Sunday Star on Feb 24, 2002.)
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Those who have criticised Karpal for his non-compromise stand against hudud may have forgotten that in 1991 he had defended Halimatussaadiah Kamaruddin, a general clerk in the Perak State Legal Department, who was sacked for wearing the purdah to work.
She had been wearing the purdah since 1983 but a circular prohibiting women in the civil service from covering their face was issued in 1985.
Karpal had argued that it is the fundamental right of every citizen to profess and practise one’s religion, even in the workplace. The case went all the way to the then Supreme Court, but she lost.
Those who know Karpal would tell you that his principle was simple – he argued for the purdah, but he would also insist that no one has the right to tell others what to wear or not to wear as far as Malaysians are concerned.
In 2002, Karpal was asked to defend four Singaporean Muslims who were banned from wearing the tudung in a Singaporean school. Karpal was prepared to take up the case but the Singaporean government denied him a work visa, and banned him from practising on the island nation.
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I have never seen such a turnout for any of our past M'sian leaders , really.. NEVER! The pain etched on their faces spoke volumes.... some scenes were very heart wrenching. He was admired, loved, respected ,feared even revered. To describe it in a few words..We have lost a National hero, there were Malays Chinese and Indians all grieving together,,,, |
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munchkin posted on 21-4-2014 11:33 AM 
takziah lagi sekali pada family karpal.
Tgk yg ni lak. Ramainya org.
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KUALA LUMPUR: A few hours before receiving news on the passing of revered lawyer and politician Karpal Singh, his 11 year-old grandson Akhshay Singh Deo said he had a dream of his grandfather.
In the dream, they were walking hand in hand on the beach and played ball.
“He hugged me... this is a sign that he now is able to ‘walk’ and is back with God up there,” said Karpal’s eldest grandchild.
During a memorium ceremony held for Karpal at the family home along Jalan Utama yesterday, Akhshay took the microphone and said that he wants to his emulate his grandfather’s courageous and dedication in his work, both as lawyer and politician.
“I want to become the next 'Tiger of Jelutong',” he said, referring to the moniker that Karpal earned for his outspokenness in court and in the Dewan Rakyat during his twenty years of service as Bukit Jelutong Member of Parliament.
Karpal, who would have turned 74 in June, died in a tragic car crash along with his long-time assistant Michael Cornelius, 39, along the North-South Highway on Thursday.
He leaves behind his beloved wife Gurmit Kaur, five children, and eleven grandchildren.
“Eleven of us are saying ‘jangan main-main” – so you all better be careful,” Akhshay said referring to his grandfather’s famous words to Yang Dipertua Dewan Rakyat Tan Sri Pandikar Amin Mulia in the last parliament sitting.
The grandchildren had also drawn a huge card for their grandfather, scribbled with messages of love and phrases used by the man himself.
Among them were “loving grandfather”, “We will all be tigers like you”, "My grandfather, my hero, my tiger” and “Jangan main-main”.
Thousands of people crowded the Dewan Sri Pinang hall today morning to pay their last respects to the revered political and legal icon.
A long line of people, young and old from all over the country, streamed in to take a last look at the former DAP chairman and Bukit Gelugor MP.
Karpal’s casket will be brought to the Batu Gantong crematorium by 2pm.
Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/ne ... -singh-deo-34276?cp |
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Orange1 posted on 21-4-2014 01:04 PM
Tgk yg ni lak. Ramainya org.
Amazing isnt it? dan pelbagai bangsa pulak tu. As the cortage was moving ppl were chanting Karpal singh! Karpal Singh!!! goose bumps i tell you |
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mnm77 posted on 21-4-2014 11:58 AM
Ya...saya boleh setuju ada baik ada yang tak baik....
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Saya tak judge Karpal, cuma buat analogi bila nazrulism guna hujjah Karpal untuk setuju kata Saiful merupakan seorang Muslim yang TAK BAIK, siapa pula Karpal nak judge Saiful sedangkan dia sendiri pun boleh dipertikaikan dari segi agama? Tak timbul isu biadap di sini.
Gini saudara.. hujah karpal tu tentang amalan sepol..bukan tentang apa yg sepol pakai samada kopiah lebai atau serban. |
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Nazrulism posted on 21-4-2014 01:11 PM 
Saya tak judge Karpal, cuma buat analogi bila nazrulism guna hujjah Karpal untuk setuju kata Saifu ...
But who are you to draw that analogy. That was a court case. Karpal was trying to show the court that Saiful was lying. Karpal never claimed to be a good Sikh, and aslo dont forget Karpal was not the witness that day. "I am religious, but I’m not one to go to the temple every week. I believe that the principles by which you live is a measure of your faith,” said Karpal in a 2010 interview. This is what Karpal believes. No point harping over it
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nirman posted on 21-4-2014 01:20 PM
But who are you to draw that analogy. That was a court case. Karpal was trying to show the court t ...
Lol.. ko baca dulu apa orang tulis kalau nak sentap pun. |
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He’s reached an age when most people would have happily retired and gone to pasture. But not Karpal Singh, aka the Tiger of Jelutong. StarMag catches up with one of the country’s most colourful, controversial – and much admired – politicians.
ALMOST unnoticed, a Malaysian institution turned 70 recently. It wasn’t a building or an organisation, but an individual.
For better or worse, Democratic Action Party (DAP) national chairman Karpal Singh has been a part of public consciousness for nearly four decades now. Despite being seriously injured in a car accident in 2005 that left him with nerve damage and wheelchair-bound, he has continued with his life-long struggle for justice and equality in Malaysia. Now, in his twilight years, he shows no signs of slowing down.
When we met at his law office off Jalan Pudu in Kuala Lumpur on Tuesday, Karpal had just been discharged from hospital after suffering from pneumonia. He is weak and a little frail but manages to answer questions and dispense anecdotes with great gusto.
The family lawman
We first discuss family and his children’s decision to follow him into law and politics. In the March 8, 2008, general election, his sons Jagdeep and Gobind were elected state assemblyman for Datuk Keramat in Penang and MP for Puchong, Selangor, respectively.
Another son, Ramkarpal, and daughter Sangeet Kaur work with him in his law firm.
Karpal insists that they followed his path out of their own volition.
“I left it to them. Probably because they saw my exploits and wanted to follow.”
Of the five children, the first four are lawyers, with two of them going into politics as well.
“Only my youngest boy, Man Karpal, has declined to enter the profession, studying actuarial science instead.”
Man Karpal was originally named after his father but fate stepped in.
“He was born on June 28, 1987, which was actually my 47th birthday! Since it was my birthday, I named him Karpal Singh, Jr. A few months later, I got arrested during Operasi Lalang (a round of detentions under the Internal Security Act carried out in October, 1987).
“There was a lot of gossiping at the Sikh temple. People were saying you cannot have two tigers because one will eat the other. When I came out, I found out that his name had been changed to Man Karpal!”
Karpal’s wife, Gurmit Kaur, is eight years his junior and the couple is celebrating their 40th wedding anniversary this month.
Karpal, who was born in Penang, recalls his first encounter with the woman who has supported him through thick and thin.
“I met her when she was very young. My father was a watchman and to supplement his income, we had a few cows. The first time I saw her, I was a teenager tending the herd and she was a small girl. Her family was actually from Narathiwat in Thailand but she had been sent here (Penang) for schooling. Much later, after I finished my studies, I met her at the temple and at the library, and the little girl was all grown up!
“Back then, there was a bit of opposition. Her family was okay, but my family was stubborn. Of course, once the first son came along, order was quickly restored!” he says.
(Editor’s note: Gurmit’s wonderful account of her love story and marriage to Karpal, His pillar of strength, together with an interview with Karpal on becoming disabled, A slow road to recovery, were published in StarMag on Sept 10, 2006.)
Despite his reputation as one of Malaysia’s foremost legal minds, Karpal admits that he wasn’t always the most diligent of students.
“I studied law for quite some time in Singapore, where, in fact, I took seven years to complete my course. The more you beat the steel the stronger it becomes ... that’s my excuse for taking so long! Actually I was playful, didn’t attend lectures and so on.
“During my final year, I was the only one to fail and the dean, Tommy Koh, who later became Singapore’s ambassador to the United Nations, took me aside and said ‘From now on, you’re going to sit at the front of the class with me!’ So I couldn’t play the fool any more and I passed my exams accordingly!”
Hairy tale
Karpal is a Sikh and the maintenance of one’s hair is one of the tenets of Sikhism. Karpal’s decision to trim his locks was therefore not taken lightly.
“Right up until 1970 I kept my turban. In fact, in 1969 in Penang, I was all ready to cut my hair and I was actually sitting in the barber’s chair waiting my turn when I looked out the window and saw my father cycling by! I bolted.
“The next year, I was in Alor Star and it was very hot during the harvest season. I was just getting started in my law practice and washing my hair and tying the turban took up a lot of time. I decided something must be done.
“It is not easy, you know, to take such an action. I was alone in my room, going back and forth on my decision. Finally, I tied my hair, took my scissors and cut off the tail. Then I went to a barber and got it done properly!”
The deed done, next was the issue of facing his parents.
“I put the turban back on but my mother noticed it looked different from the back and started weeping and wailing. ‘You have disgraced us!’ she shouted.
“Luckily my father took me aside and said, ‘Relax, women just like to make a fuss. Just carry on wearing the turban for a little while more until they get used to the idea.’ And I did for one year before finally taking it off. But on special occasions, like my children’s weddings, I wear the turban.”
I ask Karpal why his children bear the name Deo, while he is known as just Karpal Singh.
“Deo is a clan name,” he explains. “In the 1940s and 50s it suddenly came into vogue again to use the clan name. Deo is very rare. Surprisingly, I have only met one other Deo family in Peninsular Malaysia.”
Karpal traces his family roots to a village called Samna Pind in India.
“It’s just a few kilometres from Amritsar in Punjab; my family were wheat farmers. I visited the village in 1963 during my university days and again in 1974 when my father passed away there.
“He had gone back for a while. One morning he disappeared ... apparently he was on his way to the Golden Temple when he was struck from behind in an accident. He died instantly.
“At the time I had a jury trial in the High Court here. When I applied for an adjournment, the judge, (Tan Sri) Syed Agil Barakbah, asked me why. I told him and he said ‘Go, your first duty is to your father’. So I went to India and when I came back, we started the trial all over again.”
The political dynamo
That year, 1974, was an eventful one for Karpal as it also marked his first triumph in electoral politics.
“It had been suggested that I run for both the Alor Star state seat and the parliamentary seat. I had been contemplating it but after the death of my father I put it off. Two days before nomination day, the then DAP national organising secretary, Fan Yew Teng, called me and asked if I would support the candidate he proposed. I said, of course, and he said he was proposing me.
“We argued back and forth and the moment I gave in, he quickly hung up and didn’t answer my calls. The next day he announced to everyone that I was running!”
Despite winning in Kedah, Karpal soon moved back to Penang.
“That was always part of my plan. I am from Penang and I only went to Kedah because I couldn’t get a job in Penang! Even now I travel back and forth between Parliament, my practice in KL and my constituency in Jelutong, Penang. If the constituents don’t see me enough, they will throw me out at the next election!”
Karpal says he was moved to enter politics by the events of May 1969, which led him to realise that Malaysia’s future was in real danger.
“I was initially inspired by people like Mahatma Gandhi and John F. Kennedy. The 1960s were inspiring, heated times, but after May 13, I felt something had to be done to keep this country on a multi-racial course and the DAP was the party I chose.”
From there, he forged strong friendships with the likes of Lim Kit Siang and Dr Chen Man Hin, his predecessors as DAP chairman.
“They were all dedicated fighters and I had heard of them before I joined. I was determined to play my part.”
Karpal also expresses great admiration for Malaysia’s first Prime Minister.
“For me, it is still Tunku Abdul Rahman who was above it all. He was the one man who was determined to be leader for all Malaysians, regardless of race. I know people were detained under his rule, but he was not really in charge of things like security, that was more the work of others.”
Over the years Karpal has had numerous public confrontations, both within and beyond the courts. His legal skills were called upon for many of the controversial court cases of the 1980s and 1990s (for example, his attempt to sue the Yang di-Pertuan Agong in 1986!) which made the headlines.
What he did in Parliament and the state assembly also earned him notoriety, like his refusal to leave the Penang assembly upon his suspension in 1981.
Another memorable confrontation with MIC President Datuk Seri S. Samy Vellu led to his nickname, the Tiger of Jelutong.
“I told Samy he could be the lion, and I could be the tiger, because there are no lions in Malaysia!”
So how does he react to his old foes when they cross paths nowadays?
Karpal laughs, “We have no ill will. We each had a job to do. I went beyond certain limits sometimes but I had to do it. It was a different era and part of the game. You either hit or get hit. I used to be stout, and sometimes after a few stouts, things happen!”
Does it ever get too much to be both lawyer and politician?
“They complement each other. Actually I am more of a lawyer than a politician.
“Law is more demanding. You are on your feet and your brain is working all the time. You face the judge and opponents in court in the morning, prepare and study cases through late at night.
“To do all this in the public glare is not easy. If you don’t have the aptitude for it, you’re dead. My parents wanted me to be a doctor but I would have been a lousy doctor!”
Despite his non-traditional outlook, Karpal describes himself as a religious man. “I am religious, but I’m not one to go to the temple every week. I believe that the principles by which you live is a measure of your faith.”
A bright future
As a life-long oppositionist in a country that has only known one ruling coalition, Karpal has clearly played an invaluable role in shaping its democracy. He feels that the current climate is the healthiest he has known.
“In the past, the DAP had a big problem of reaching the Malay community. The Government has always tried to portray us as Chinese chauvinistic and anti-Malay. For example, at one ceramah, I was arguing that Malaysia is clearly a secular nation and I said, ‘An Islamic state over my dead body’ and suddenly it was taken out of context and I was portrayed as an enemy of Islam.
“Working with Parti Keadilan Rakyat has helped us quite a bit. When you compare the 1999 and 2008 elections, you see things had changed. Chinese supporters, for example, could accept us working with PAS in a coalition.
“So I think the future is very bright. This is the first time in my experience that the Opposition has been so multi-racial. You must put aside the defections by those miserable creatures who are minor, inconsequential characters. (Those defections) have left us stronger.
“But we must be given time. Remember that we only have four states and that it is at federal level where the leverage and clout are. Furthermore, on the village and council levels you still have many who are trying to maintain the status quo of the old regime. You cannot expect change overnight.”
It is perhaps this sense of hope for the future that keeps Karpal motivated after almost four decades in the political arena.
He is certainly as busy – and controversial – as ever. Just last month he was acquitted of a charge of sedition against the Sultan of Perak!
“It’s been a very interesting, sometimes volatile, journey. I’ve enjoyed it. I still do. I will keep going as long as I can.
“I know I’ve been portrayed in the media as a fiery and fierce man ... sometimes it helps. When I stand up in court, witnesses are shivering before I even open my mouth,” he reveals with great amusement.
He is also kept busy by his grandchildren – nine boys and a girl – and he tries to take pleasure in small things.
“I have a little orchard in Balik Pulau, with durians and other fruit trees. I like listening to old Hindi songs....”
But of all the setbacks he has faced, Karpal admits that being wheelchair-bound has been the most difficult.
“The accident was a terrible blow. You are like a prisoner within yourself. Even when I was detained in Kamunting under the ISA, I could still walk about. With nerve damage you are in pain all the time and I don’t want to take painkillers because I will become dependent on them.
“But you cannot keep looking back and thinking what if this had not happened because then you will sink deeper into depression. You have to look forward. And that I will do.”
And so, despite the pain, the disability and advancing age, the Tiger of Jelutong continues to burn brightly.
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Orange1 posted on 21-4-2014 01:04 PM
Tgk yg ni lak. Ramainya org.
ramai nya. 
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bila nak abis meratap nih |
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dah tak laju mcm thread mh |
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kurang sorang dinosor politik kt malaysis..
RIP Karpal.. |
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5229 posted on 21-4-2014 02:18 PM
kurang sorang dinosor politik kt malaysis..
RIP Karpal..
di harap rakyat mesia lepeh ni kurang kurangkan ler asik berpolitik..buat ler keje2 sosial yang sepatutnya
nak kutuk oang pun BASED ON depa punya political inclination.. nampak sangat cetek intelijen
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ajinomotonosuga posted on 21-4-2014 02:21 PM
di harap rakyat mesia lepeh ni kurang kurangkan ler asik berpolitik..buat ler keje2 sosial yan ...
ini jenis mengikut...ramai dok kata dia pon ngikut laa..
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5229 posted on 21-4-2014 02:25 PM
ini jenis mengikut...ramai dok kata dia pon ngikut laa..
makna nya ikut sentimen, ikut rasa, sedap ikut tak sedap tak ikut..so dia tinggalkan the faculty of thinking, reasoning, deducing, rationalising
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ajinomotonosuga posted on 21-4-2014 02:32 PM
makna nya ikut sentimen, ikut rasa, sedap ikut tak sedap tak ikut..so dia tinggalkan the facul ...
aji xkan baru taw?? 
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