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Post time 18-7-2016 08:49 PM | Show all posts
Edited by sam1528 at 18-7-2016 08:50 PM
Maideen. replied at 18-7-2016 08:31 PM
Didn't I say ," Yeah right" to your claim that you did know the hadith?

And I'm sure your claim that I got my info from polemical website was divinely revealed to you. Or is it just a presumption where making them is cultural norm at where you came from?

Of course I know hadith better than you as your source of knowledge is from sites like 'answering islam' etc.

Its easy to know as your argument are just repeats of polemics copied pasted from the site but when you have been countered ..... oops ... dah mati akal ... you come to a dead end.

That is why you now resort to lying .... yeah lah ... instead of child marriage it is now 50 yrs old to 6 yrs old marriage .... but to you kalo the man 60 or 70 ... its ok .... ha ha .... this is just too comical from you

Ha ha .... issit now cultural norm of child marriage or your skewed perspective of cultural norm of 50 yrs old marrying 6 yrs old (but 60 or 70 ok)

Kena lagi .....

What has happened to your Prrrrrrrrrrrrrpffffftght.... the sound of you groaning after I butt kicked you

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Post time 18-7-2016 09:40 PM | Show all posts
Biasala orang dah selalu kentut kat mulut apa lagi fakta dia boleh cakap  semua keluar dari perut ajer bukan dari akal.
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Post time 18-7-2016 09:49 PM | Show all posts
If you provide all the reasoning either apologitic or factual....  maideen akan kentut mulut jer.  Dia dah siap list panjang-panjang, semuanya dia kentutkan tapi satu argument pun dia tak bawa....

apa hujah maideen?

adakah bukhari salah?
hadith tak boleh ikut?

atau memang maideen anti hadith.  dulu dok menyokong astora jabat, sampai astora jabat masok ke dalam forum maideen dok menyokong posting astora jabat.  tapi satu hujah pun  tak pernah bagi cuma dok mengampu astora jabat  jer.
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Maideen. replied at 18-7-2016 12:12 PM
Yes, I swear I was laughing so hard at your claim that back then it was a cultural norm for fifty  ...

LBGT pun dah jadi cultural norm skrg....... subhanaallah   
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BY STUTI SETHI  ON  10 JUL, 2016   IN PEOPLE
8-Year-Old Yemeni Girl Died After Being Sexually Assaulted On Wedding Night

Child Marriage, the most common issue around the world needs to be addressed. This issue is not only violating human rights but also affecting the lives and health of girls. The early pregnancy increases the complications in the child's birth which may also lead to deaths.

The recent incident which took place in Yemen where an 8-year-old toddler died on her wedding night after being sexually abused by her husband.

It's high time when the issue should be checked by imposing stringent laws and creating awareness among the people by educating them about the consequences of early marriage.

It's high time when the issue, forced child marriages should be adressed.



Recently, an 8-year-old girl died on her wedding night.




She died because she was sexually abused by her husband, who is five times of her age. She suffered internal injuries as she was forced to have sex.



She died in the tribal areas of Hardh, in northwestern Yemen. It shows and brings more attention to the problem which is already existing in the Middle East.



United Nations Population Fund has predicted that between 2011-20, more than 140 million girls will become child brides and out of them, more than 50 million will be less than 15 years of age.


Most of the organizations have agreed that 18 should be the minimum age for a girl to get married.

In Feb 2009, a law was passed in Yemen that set the minimum age for marriage is 17 years.

It's really sad that a marriage at an early age is threatening lives and health of girls.

https://www.wittyfeed.com/story/ ... ed-on-wedding-night

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Post time 19-7-2016 01:36 AM | Show all posts
Hujatul_Jihad replied at 19-7-2016 01:02 AM
BY STUTI SETHI  ON  10 JUL, 2016   IN PEOPLE
8-Year-Old Yemeni Girl Died After Being Sexually Assau ...

1) acong news tu bukan recent , ye source awak tu tak tepat - that news tak lengkap dan ia berlaku pada 2013 i checked
2) so what - dengan adanya  news itu nak tunjuk islam salahlah?
3) kalau awak baca sumber berita yg menceritakan kisah yg sama - ia menceritakan yg budak itu DIPAKSA

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so bila org kata awak kena teliti dan menjadi lebih matang dan bijak....awak kena bandingkan bagaimana rasulullah saw melayan ausyah bila depa consummate

dan adakah Aisyah meninggal ?? selepas berkahwin sejurus selepas berkahwin?
nope kan?


so Acong kalau nak tunjukkan kebodohan tu agak agaklah

sebab orang yakni rasulullah saw yg awak cuba fitnah tu akhlaknya lebih baik dari kekawan awak pembenci islam di forum ini. termasuk juga mereka yang menyokong si pembwa cerita sirah yg fabricated. dan sengaja menjadikan komoditi bahan hinaan setelah tersepit dalam asakan.


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Post time 19-7-2016 01:37 AM | Show all posts
dia ingat kat yaman saja ke budaya arranged marriage?

alahai ....
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mbhcsf replied at 18-7-2016 05:36 PM
1) acong news tu bukan recent , ye source awak tu tak tepat - that news tak lengkap dan ia berlaku ...

gosh........... lu bodo kaa?  
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Post time 19-7-2016 07:52 AM | Show all posts
Edited by sam1528 at 19-7-2016 08:10 AM
Hujatul_Jihad replied at 19-7-2016 01:02 AM
BY STUTI SETHI  ON  10 JUL, 2016   IN PEOPLE
8-Year-Old Yemeni Girl Died After Being Sexually Assau ...

Err 'mat slow' , cuba ko baca balik
The recent incident which took place in Yemen where an 8-year-old toddler died on her wedding night after being sexually abused by her husband.

Kalo dah jadi kes sexual abuse , pompuan 20 / 30 / 40 thn pon boleh mati

Aiyoyo 'mat slow' ..... nampak gaya ko tak paham apa ko baca .... oh yeah , ko lemah english .... mana nak paham

BTW , ayam sabung ko tu si Maideen dah cabut lari. He got his feathers plucked , dah jadi ayam togel




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Post time 19-7-2016 08:45 AM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 18-7-2016 08:43 AM
LOL , you are trying to run with your tail between your legs.

There is no justifying of anythin ...

Woi lobai samdol omputeh dah tak kawin lagilah dengan kanak2. Yang backward thinking tu lobai macam hang masih ikut sunah mengarut. Sebab tu masih ada lagi yang kawen dengan kanak2 bawoh umo.


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Post time 19-7-2016 09:25 AM | Show all posts
Hujatul_Jihad replied at 19-7-2016 12:37 AM
LBGT pun dah jadi cultural norm skrg....... subhanaallah

Hahahahaha.....LBGT pon dah jadi cultural norm...hahahaha Rasanya omputih pon ramai LBGT Prrrrrrrrrrrpfffftght

Well Acong, seperti yang Maideen katakan "cultural norm" ini adalah justifikasi biasa yang kita dengar daripada hujatul Isle mengenai sunnah Rasulullah untuk orang tua tua kawen dengan budak berumur 6 tahun. Setiap kali Acong membimbincangkan sunnah ini, pasti ada hujatul Isle yang akan menggunakan justifikasi ini. Jangan takajut jika Acong di beritahu bahawa omputih berumur 50 atau 60 puloh pon kawen budak berumur 6 tahun  jugak sebab itu adalah cultural norm......Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrpfffftght Yer lah kalau omputih pon buat teontu ianya bagus dan tak salah kalau orang erab ka atau melayu buat khen? Prrrrrrrrrrrrrpffffftght

Lain lain justifikasi yang mungkin akan digunakan ialah:

1. Waktu itu Ummu Muslimin Aisyah dah besar badan dia kerana dia cepat matang. Dia bukan macam budak umur 6 tahun laen sebab budak erab besar besar badan dia. Justifikasi ini juga digunapakai oleh Mr. Naik seorang ulamak India yang berkongsi pengalamannya sebagai medical doctor dengan mengatakan yang dia pernah jumpa budak kecik dah period. Mister Naik menerangkan ini apabila ditanya tentang sunnah yang Acong bincangkan ini. Didalam videonya Mr. Naik tidak bersetuju justifikasi yang digunakan oleh sesetengah lobai pejuang Isle bahawa hadis sohih yang menerangkan umur Aisyah adalah tak betol kerana perawinya pelupa atau nyanyok. Mr. Naik kata, tak elok lah kita konar sana sini cenggitu. Dia kata, hadis tu sohih kalu, tak usah lah konar konar. Prrrrrrrrrrrrpffftght Nanti Maideen pastekan videonya. Ini membawa kita ke justifikasi sering-pakai seterusnya ia itu:

2. Perawi hadis yang kata umur Aisyah 6 tahun itu sebenernya dah nyanyok. Sebenernya umur Aisyah 19 tahun ka 29 tahun ka sewaktu beliau kawen dengan Rasulullah SAW.

Suatu lagi justifikasi yang sering digunakan oleh lobai lobai hujatul Isle ialah:

3. Ada hikmahnya Allah SWT telah menjodohkan Junjungan kita dengan seorang budak 6 tahun. Sebagai butinya sewaktu junjungan kita wafat, Aisyah baru berumur 18 tahun. Kerana Aisyah masih muda maka dapatlah ummah mengetahui banyak sunnah sunnah dan hadis nabi kerana beliau masih muda dan ingatannya masih bagus. Contohnya daripada Aisyah lah kita tahu bahawa sewaktu bersama Junjungan kita beliau tidak pernah melihat kemaluan  Rasulullah dan begitu juga baginda tidak pernah melihat alat sulit Ummu Muslimin itu. Alhamdulillah hadis ini telah menjadi garis panduan adab bersenggam di kalangan orang Isle dimana kita tidak boleh bertelanjang bulat semasa bersengama dan hendaklah melakukannya dibawah selimut.


Oleh kerana usia Aisyah yang muda sewaktu Junjungan kita wafat beliau dapat menerangkan dengan jelas banyak hadis hadis lain. Tapi pengalaman mengajar Maideen untuk berhati hati dalam memberi contoh hadis hadis tersebut. Ini kerana mungkin lobai hujatul Isle itu akan sundri sundri buat kesimpulan dan sundri sundri macam orang bodoh, merapu merepak. Prrrrrrrrrpfffftght Sebagai contoh lobai perasan bagus itu akan berkata "So you nak kata Quran tak complete lah!" Hahahaha

Suatu lagi justifikasi yang sering digunapakai yang Maideen perhatikan  ialah:

4. Dulu dulu nenek kita pon kawen masa umur 12 tahun tawwwww! Dia tak cakap pulak atuk dia waktu tu berumur 13 tahun. Bila dia diam diam macam itu orang akan menyangkan atuk dia waktu kawen dengan nenek ini berumur 59 tahun. Prrrrrrrrrrrrpfffftght

Pada pendapat Maideen justifikasi ini berkait rapat dengan justifikasi "cultural norm" yang dibincangkan di atas. Cuma ianya tidak di sokong dengan kenyataan Omputih masa itu pon nenek dia kawen umur 12 tahun dan atuk dia 59 tahun tawwwww! Mungkin jika di sokong dengan kenyataan omputih pon buat cenggitu, orang kampong akan lebih kagum dan berkata, " Haaaa.....tu dia! Omputih pon buat hang tawwww!"

Jadi setakat ini begitulah justifikasi justifikasi yang sering kita dengar apabila membincangkan sunnah nabi ia itu berkahwin dengan budak berumur 6 tahun sewaktu baginda berumur 50 tahun ini.

Mungkin dengan berbincangan sihat, kita akan dapat mendengar justifikasi justifikasi baharu untuk sunnah ini. Insyaallah.

Wallahualam.

Oh ya, hampir terlupa pula Maideen.... Ini video ulamak dan npendakwah terkenal Mr. Naik yang Maideen katakan di atas:





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Post time 19-7-2016 04:54 PM | Show all posts
Edited by mbhcsf at 19-7-2016 05:45 PM
Maideen. replied at 19-7-2016 09:25 AM
Hahahahaha.....LBGT pon dah jadi cultural norm...hahahaha Rasanya omputih pon ramai LBGT  ...

macam ni je level discussion?

macam dah biase - sebab balik balik dan i dah terlalu biasa - huijatul islam akan cakap macam ni macam tu

so what ?  my question is so what?

u tak ada ilmu pun nak huraikan lebih lanjut tentang hadis tu pun?
u pun tak sentuh soal 4 sifat wajib rasul dan mustahil bagi rasul

apa yg you tahu ialah implicating and associating segala akhlak baginda dengan sesuatu yg tak baik.
tu yg implied dan dah terlalu biasa dan bukan hujah

tu persoalan Ibnur tu yg relevance and academic



my persoalan ialah


mengapa hadis  yg disahihkan oleh bukhari itu dalan ijtihadnya tu you nak latch on sangat sedangkan BANYAKlagi hadis yg muslim dan bukhari even sunan ibnu majah yg tahap mutawattir  yg berkenaan akidah, iman , eh lain pulak kilas hujahnya.

when comes to soal rasulullah saw kahwin aisyah oh nak sandar hadis sangat when comes to hadith yg penting dalam deriving hukum  oh pejam pejam mata cecepat pejam mata ; oh kita alihkan yg kata hadis ni betul ke sahih?oh betulkah kena buat penilaian semula

alahai

tapi dalam nada yg sama dok tekankan ilsam ni perlukan ruangan dibuka untuk ijtihad di mana ia satu ciri pembawa penyeleweng islam liberal yg ingin membuka ruangan ijtihad seluaa luasnya termasuhk pada mereka yg bukan ahli.
so ...jadi macam nilah misconstrued the context.



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Post time 19-7-2016 04:57 PM | Show all posts
Edited by mbhcsf at 19-7-2016 04:59 PM
Maideen. replied at 19-7-2016 09:25 AM
Hahahahaha.....LBGT pon dah jadi cultural norm...hahahaha Rasanya omputih pon ramai LBGT  ...

u tak faham ke persoalan yg sam bawakan

child marriage - norms ketika itu
you dok latch on lelaki 50 tahun kahwin 6 tahun

takpalah kali ni i nampak u tak bawa sumber link yg you bawa di CI yg kata tentang hadis sahih aisyah kahwin nabi umur 6 tahun tu - u dengan angkuh akan kata  yes - org yg apologist akan cakap itu ini well...

sebab i ingat yg i refute balik sumber  berkenaan analisis historian yg based oN HADIS MUSLIM dan BUKHARI jugak yg depa revise semula  umur aisyah - depa pun based on hadis sahih  juga ...hmm...tak ke kacau , kan?

tapi you dismissed dengan kata hujatul islam akan kata ini itu

EXACTLY what you did in this posting - itu sahaja modal u pun u know nothing new as Sam said  macam tu lah you

u know as i said

ONLY the weak minds dan berhingus  atau ' yg  suka seeing the trees and not the forest'  akan percaya  segala seleweangan fakta , misconstructing the context

siapa mereka fefahamlah sendri
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Post time 19-7-2016 05:28 PM | Show all posts
Edited by sam1528 at 19-7-2016 05:29 PM
changepassword replied at 19-7-2016 08:45 AM
Woi lobai samdol omputeh dah tak kawin lagilah dengan kanak2. Yang backward thinking tu lobai macam hang masih ikut sunah mengarut. Sebab tu masih ada lagi yang kawen dengan kanak2 bawoh umo.

Tuuu dia! Pendekar mustar dah masuk. Tanpa menggunakan otak mula cakap pasal omputih 50 tak kawin dgn pompuan 6.

Sapa cakap pasal demikian? Yg kita dok cakap adalah ttg 'child marriage'.

Ha ha ko dah kena kelentong dgn si Maideen (aka ayam togel) tu. Dia dah malu pasal didedahkan berbohong.

So you ni forward thinking lah. LOL , forward thinking macam ko ni pon tak tau yg dah ada undang2 'age of consent' .... laaa ... forward thinking lah sangat tu

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Post time 19-7-2016 05:50 PM | Show all posts
Edited by sam1528 at 19-7-2016 05:52 PM
Maideen. replied at 19-7-2016 09:25 AM
Hahahahaha.....LBGT pon dah jadi cultural norm...hahahaha Rasanya omputih pon ramai LBGT  ...

Woooit Maideen (aka ayam togel). Awat hang tak berani respond direct kat aku?

Ko tau pasal apa? Ko dah malu kena dedah berbohong. Ko nak mengaku , lagi besar malu. Jadi rodok aje lah brader , buat muka tebal dan teruskan dgn pembohongan ko tu. Untung2 org tak nampak .... ye le macam si 'changepassward' tu. Ha ha

Macamana skg?
(1) Isu dia 'child marriage' atau your make up story of the so called cultural norm omputih 50 tak kawin pompuan 6 (60 & 70 ok kan pada ko).
Let me put it to you this way. Pada pengamatan songsang ko tu .... ini kes omputih ye :
Nikah pompuan 6 thn lelaki pada ko umur
(a) 20 - 29 .... ok boleh nikah
(b) 30 - 39 .... ok boleh nikah
(c) 40 - 49 .... ok boleh nikah
(d) 50 - 59 .... BEEEEP! Tak boleh nikah! Haram! Pasal range umur Nabi Muhammad(saw) nikah Aishah(ra)
(e) 60 - 69 .... ok boleh nikah
(f) 70 upwards .... ok boleh nikah

LOL take a step back and see just how stupid your argument is. Tak pakai otak langsung. Kalo ko kata (a) - (f) tak boleh nikah ... ko dah setuju dgn aku pasal we are talking about child marriage , the historical evidence and what now at present.

Ha ha , ko dah tersepit daaa. Macamana pon ko kalah

(2) Isu kambing makan media yg ayat2 rejm tertulis. Wooo! Ko dah mengigil badan & sesak nafas pasal ko klaim tu pasal ayat rejm tak ada dlm Quran. Ha ha , ko tau tak
- Suhuf Hafsah dah ada sebelum pemergian Nabi Muhammad(saw)
- banyak lagi media yg kandungi ayat tersebut yg ditulis oleh sahabat Nabi Muhammad(saw) sebagai koleksi mereka
- kambing boleh ke makan ingatan para hafazan zaman tersebut

Gelak sakan sapa yg baca argumen ko tu. Langsung tak pakai akal.

Cerdik sikit boleh tak? Kalo tidak ko akan jadi ayam togel selama lamanya. Jawab tambi .... jawab .... takkan nak lari kot

Another butt kick lands on your ass and you groan .... Prrrrrrrrrrrpfffftght


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Post time 19-7-2016 05:51 PM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 18-7-2016 08:43 AM
LOL , you are trying to run with your tail between your legs.

There is no justifying of anythin ...

There is no justifying of anything from me. It is a known historical fact that the so called 'child marriage' flourished right up to 100 yrs ago when the appropirate laws were instituted. Whether its omputih or others it does not matter as everyone did it and it being accepted by all societies.


Hi samdol wa cakap dulu memang ada omputeh kawen kanak2 underage tapi sekarang dah tak ada, mereka dah bermoral sedar ngan kesilapan. Tapi agama lu masih meneruskan perbuatan tak bermoral kawen ngan underage knk2 sebab ikut suhan berhawa napsu jin sontot knk2.
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mbhcsf replied at 19-7-2016 04:57 PM
u tak faham ke persoalan yg sam bawakan

child marriage - norms ketika itu

Since it was beyond you to notice that I did not and neither am I interested to discuss the merits and the demerits of the justifications oft-used by lobai and lobainitas hujatul Isle to justify the sunnah of the Prophet's marrying a 6 year child at the age of 50, I feel compelled to let you know, which I now do.....

I was merely sharing with Acong the said oft-used justifications.

Perhaps you can organise a convention which will see a congregation of hujatuls Isle for such a purpose. Even a resolution can be passed as to which one of the justifications should be adopted by all hujatuls Isle........

Maideen~Setakat My father farts though his mouth ke hulu, my mother farts through her mouth also kehilir dah perasan dan menaku hujatul Isle, tak payah lah.. The Board can become sundy you know.....you know sendu? Prrrrrrrrrpfffftght

And BTW, they are all still talking about you here you know.....

http://mforum2.cari.com.my/forum ... ;page=3#pid62705956

They say that your jamban is outside the house at where you came from.....hahahahaha

Wallahualam.
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Post time 19-7-2016 05:56 PM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 19-7-2016 05:51 PM
Hi samdol wa cakap dulu memang ada omputeh kawen kanak2 underage tapi sekarang dah tak ada, mereka dah bermoral sedar ngan kesilapan. Tapi agama lu masih meneruskan perbuatan tak bermoral kawen ngan underage knk2 sebab ikut suhan berhawa napsu jin sontot knk2.

Kalo ko setuju  org terdulu kawin 'pompuan underage' bermakna ko setuju apa yg aku kata
- it was a cultural norm back then and accepted by all societies
- there are now laws preventing child marriages

Soalan skg , pasal apa ko utilise the present values untuk judge what has happened in the past? Isn't this hypocrisy?

Gunalah otak ko tu sebelum hujah .... ko betul2 nampak kureng cerdik .... huh apa dia? Kes omputih 50 tak kawin dgn pompuan 6 thn? Ha ha ko dah kena kelentong dgn si Maideen (aka ayam togel) tu.

Kan ko dah malu

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Post time 19-7-2016 06:16 PM | Show all posts
changepassword replied at 19-7-2016 05:51 PM
There is no justifying of anything from me. It is a known historical fact that the so called 'chil ...

Yes I think the corroboration of the justification by saying that the orang putihs did it too is only used to manipupulate the simple minds of the orang kampongs by some hujatuls Isle who themselves are so impressed by, and look up to, the orang putihs.....Hahahahahaha
Wallahualam.

Maideen~Hujatul Isle hebat kununnnnnn........




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Post time 19-7-2016 06:19 PM | Show all posts
sam1528 replied at 19-7-2016 05:56 PM
Kalo ko setuju  org terdulu kawin 'pompuan underage' bermakna ko setuju apa yg aku kata
- it was  ...

Hi samdolslow. Wa cakap dulu memang ada omputeh kawen knk2 underage tapi sekarang mereka dah sedar itu satu perbuatan yang silap dan tak bermoral. So omputeh stop kawen knk2.

Tapi penganut agama lu di abad 21 masih lagi berkawen ngan underage knk2 sebab ikut sunah nabi, walaupun di abad 21 semua manusia tau ianya satu perbuatan yang tak bermoral.

Nabi lu ajar ummat buat benda tak bermoral ke?
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