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Post time 17-3-2017 05:51 PM | Show all posts
axl_bach replied at 17-3-2017 05:25 PM
Good argument sis.... xpernah terfikir perspektif mcm nih utk kaitkan dgn tuduhan membunuh....

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Memang peruntukan murder 300 or culpable homicide not amounting to murder 299 PC is very general provision untuk kes-kes melibatkan kehilangan nyawa tapi peruntukan punishment under 302 dan 304 lebih berat. 304A contohnya, memperuntukkan berkenaan kesalahan menyebabkan kematian dengan cuai dan boleh dikenakan penjara selama tempoh up to two years/ fines/both- a very general provision. 302 usah katalah..proven guilty memang ke tali gantung lah.so i just terfikir kalaulah provisions yang sama diterima pakai untuk kes jenayah memandu secara melulu atau merbahaya yang mengakibatkan kematian di samping provisions sedia ada di bawah Akta Pengangkutan Jalan 1987, pasti ramai pemandu akan berfikir banyak kali untuk drive rectlessly and/or dangerously.


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Post time 17-3-2017 05:52 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Peguam Dia ajaq Dia nie... Kalau ngaku tros jatuh hukuman
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Post time 17-3-2017 05:54 PM | Show all posts

Thank you sis. Tapi boleh tak kalau DPP nak sabitkan dua-dua, bawah 304A PC DAN 41(1) RTA?
In case terlepas 304A, ada potensi sabit bawah 41(1) pula..sebab dua-dua ada unsur 'reckless'
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Post time 17-3-2017 05:57 PM | Show all posts
WhiskeyScotch replied at 17-3-2017 05:38 PM
Selalunya ada break chain of evidence dalam bukti yang dibawa oleh DPP. Sebab tu DPP boleh kalah k ...

Betul, jadi DPP bukan kerja yang mudah. Ramai jua lah my members yang quit sebab tak tahan sakit jiwa..huhu

Janganlah dalam kes ni, si mati mati bukan disebabkan impak kemalangan tapi sebab heart attack gara-gara terkejut tetiba ada kereta melulu dari depan....jika tidak, ada potensi lah chain of evidence itu terputus. mati bukan sebab kemalangan, tapi sebab sakit jantung.


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Post time 17-3-2017 05:57 PM | Show all posts
WhiskeyScotch replied at 17-3-2017 04:46 PM
Of course lah defence counsel nasihatkan jangan PG.



Bukan amphetamin yg dia amik tu ubat adhd ker? What if her lawyer dpt buktikan yg itu mmg ubat adhd dia, boleh terlepas tak dari penyalahgunaan dadah?
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:19 PM | Show all posts
Deidra replied at 17-3-2017 09:54 AM
Thank you sis. Tapi boleh tak kalau DPP nak sabitkan dua-dua, bawah 304A PC DAN 41(1) RTA?
In cas ...

Yang ini I ada explain dekat Juliez hari tu pasal main charge dengan alternative charge dekat thread lagi satu. Jap I pergi cari balik thread tu.

Okeyh dah jumpa. Ni I copy paste balik apa yang I explain dekat Juliez:

For your info, a person may be charged with several offences using a single set of 'facts'. Namun, pihak pendakwaan iaitu DPP must be veryyy careful with how it proceeds. This is because a person who is acquitted cannot normally be subjected to a further prosecution in the future using the same facts.


Dalam kes-kes jenayah, it is up to the DPP to prove the elements of the offences beyond reasonable doubt. Untuk prove the elements, the DPP harus mengambil kira segala bukti yang ada berdasarkan fakta kes yang diterima. In this case, the prosecution will use the evidence that police gather during the course of investigation as well as any evidence from experts and other sources.


Setelah mengambil kira bukti yang ada berdasarkan fakta kes yang diterima, then the DPP will proceed with the charges. Usually, the DPP will provide the court with main and alternative charges.


What is main and alternative charges?


The prosecution will often charge a person with a main charge (which is usually the most serious charge) followed by alternative or ‘backup’ charges (which are usually less serious).

The prosecution will likely aim for a conviction in respect of the most serious crime/s.

However, the most serious offences will often be the hardest to prove because they may have a greater number of elements and/or more difficult elements to establish. In some cases, they may also require proof of a particular state of mind eg an “intention” to cause a particular outcome rather than just “recklessness”.

To reduce the chance of an accused person getting off ‘scot-free’, the prosecution will often include charges that are easier to prove – which are the alternative charges or  ‘backups’.

Alternative charges often have some, but not all, of the same elements as the main charge, and will usually carry lower penalties.

In some cases, the magistrate/judge may find an accused person ‘not guilty’ of the main charge but guilty of the backup.

In conclusion, although a person can be charged with multiple offences over the same incident, the prosecution must be careful about how it proceeds with the charges, and that it chooses the right alternative charges.



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Post time 17-3-2017 06:22 PM | Show all posts
Deidra replied at 17-3-2017 09:57 AM
Betul, jadi DPP bukan kerja yang mudah. Ramai jua lah my members yang quit sebab tak tahan sakit j ...

There you go Deidra. You got that knowledge. Kalau orang biasa dia tak fikir apa yang you fikir. Good job. Are you a lawyer, Deidra?
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:28 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Deidra replied at 17-3-2017 05:57 PM
Betul, jadi DPP bukan kerja yang mudah. Ramai jua lah my members yang quit sebab tak tahan sakit j ...

Bukan sebab dalam berita cakap si mati meninggal sebab kecederaan di kepala dan badan

Kejadian 7.50 pagi arah ke utara itu berlaku berhampiran susur masuk ke Permatang Pauh menyebabkan Mohamad Fandi Rosli, 26, mati di tempat kejadian akibat cedera parah di kepala dan badan.
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:34 PM | Show all posts
WhiskeyScotch replied at 17-3-2017 06:19 PM
Yang ini I ada explain dekat Juliez hari tu pasal main charge dengan alternative charge dekat thre ...

Alahai susahkan sis pula nak godek komen lama..anyhow thanks a lot.

Excellent, sis..very excellent explanation. Bende gini somehow not be mentioned in any textbook or law journal. Unless you have been practiced for certain period of time only then the knowledge is gained. Now i get some clear pictures on this particular issue..thanks again sis.
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:35 PM | Show all posts
WhiskeyScotch replied at 17-3-2017 06:22 PM
There you go Deidra. You got that knowledge. Kalau orang biasa dia tak fikir apa yang you fikir. G ...

I am afraid im not but prima facie ly i was a law student before
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:40 PM | Show all posts
Edited by WhiskeyScotch at 17-3-2017 10:44 AM
juliez replied at 17-3-2017 09:57 AM
Bukan amphetamin yg dia amik tu ubat adhd ker? What if her lawyer dpt buktikan yg itu mmg ubat ...

Yes, amphetamin is used to treat ADHD. So, first dekat sini kena buktikan adakah OKT suffers from ADHD. Kalau ada, kita proceed dengan next question. Kalau OKT terbukti ada ADHD, adakah OKT telah mendapatkan kebenaran dan kelulusan pakar untuk consume ADHD. Kalau ada, proceed to the next question. Adakah OKT mengambil dose yang tepat? Kalau pakar cakap yes dia ambil dose yang tepat then ada harapan yang cerah untuk OKT lepas.

Disclaimer: Apa yang I cakap ni hanya basic guideline untuk menjawab pertanyaan Juliez sahaja. The real facts of the case hanya mereka yang handle kes ini sahaja yang tahu.




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Post time 17-3-2017 06:41 PM | Show all posts
Deidra replied at 17-3-2017 10:34 AM
Alahai susahkan sis pula nak godek komen lama..anyhow thanks a lot.

Excellent, sis..very excell ...

No worries. You're most welcome.
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:42 PM | Show all posts
Deidra replied at 17-3-2017 10:35 AM
I am afraid im not  but prima facie ly i was a law student before

No wonder you've got that knowledge. Kenapa tak practice? Tak minat ke?
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:43 PM | Show all posts
wana89 replied at 17-3-2017 06:28 PM
Bukan sebab dalam berita cakap si mati meninggal sebab kecederaan di kepala dan badan

Kejadian  ...

Berita biasanya melaporkan apa yang berlaku ketika incident, contoh si mati dijumpai mati kerana lemas. Tapi adakah betul dia mati kerana lemas? hal ini hanya akan diketahui selepas post mortem dilakukan. Mungkin jua ketika dia dicampak dalam sungai, dia dah sedia mati? Penyebab mati? Dicekik mungkin? Kalau lepas post mortem didapati punca kematian memang lemas dalam air, maka kes akan dikategorikan sebagai mati mengejut. tpi jika ada unsur-unsur yang diragui macam dicekik tadi, maka kes akan disiasat di bawah murder dan bukan lagi kematian mengejut.

Sama kes cina jinjang ni. Memang arwah dilaporkan mati kerana kecederaan di kepala dan badan. Kalau tak cedera di kepala dan badan, besar kemungkinan dia tak mati. Dan penyebab dia cedera? bertembung keretanya dengan kereta yang dipandu secara cuai dan merbahaya oleh si amoi tersebut. Dan jika hasil post mortem didapati kecederaan adalah hasil impak kemalangan akibat kecuaian si amoi ini yang menyebabkan kematian arwah, dan bukan sebab lain, maka kes akan dibicarakan ikut Road Traffic Act.

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Post time 17-3-2017 06:46 PM | Show all posts
WhiskeyScotch replied at 17-3-2017 06:42 PM
No wonder you've got that knowledge. Kenapa tak practice? Tak minat ke?

Mens rea nya ada, actus reusnya belum...

Tapi plan untuk praktis tu ada, in shaa allah..but not criminal kot. tanya criminal senior lawyer semua tak beri ayat yang memberangsangkan pon...huhu
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:54 PM | Show all posts
Deidra replied at 17-3-2017 10:46 AM
Mens rea nya ada, actus reusnya belum...

Tapi plan untuk praktis tu ada, in shaa allah..but n ...

Kalau you perempuan I pun tak encourage you practice in criminal liti. Tapi, kalau you betul-betul minat criminal, why not? Just go ahead to gain experience. Selagi you tak cuba you takkan tahu. Lain org lain pengalaman dia. Mana tahu you happy practice in criminal liti.

So far, hati you minat apa? Haa itu soalan yang penting untuk ditanya.
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:57 PM | Show all posts
amoi ni model IG ke? skg ni ramai yg mengaku model.
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Post time 17-3-2017 06:59 PM | Show all posts
WhiskeyScotch replied at 17-3-2017 06:54 PM
Kalau you perempuan I pun tak encourage you practice in criminal liti. Tapi, kalau you betul-betul ...

Sebab i perempuan lah most of the senior tak encourage. deme kata criminal liti ni memerlukan keazaman, keutuhan, kekenyalan jiwa (kata deme la..), dengan kene pi site..kalau kes murder, kene pi tengok mayat ke apa semua. jenis nampak darah pun dah berpinar mata nak pitam, deme kata fikir kan banyak kali nak jadi criminal lawyer..

I minat civil jer..mcm kes-kes accident gitu..tu pasal i berminat dengan kes jinjang ni..just to gain some infos..but maybe sometimes in future i minta cuti just to chambering..
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Post time 17-3-2017 07:01 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Kasik pasang lawyer mahal la, 3,4 tahun tangguh huntung2 boleh lari ke luar negara
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Post time 17-3-2017 07:05 PM | Show all posts
Deidra replied at 17-3-2017 10:59 AM
Sebab i perempuan lah most of the senior tak encourage. deme kata criminal liti ni memerlukan keaz ...

Cepat-cepat do your pupilage. At least, dapatkan je title 'advocate and solicitor'.  
Good luck and all the best!!!




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