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More women in niqab at PAS congress

Women attending the annual PAS congress in Alor Setar last week could be spotted wearing face veils in addition to the now standard headscarves. Despite rising conservatism among Muslims in Malaysia, it is still unusual to see women in niqab on the street.ST PHOTO: TRINNA LEONG
PUBLISHED MAY 1, 2017, 5:00 AM SGT

More women wearing face veils at congress signals party's return to fundamentalism

ALOR SETAR (Kedah) • One visible indicator of Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) turning more conservative can be seen in a small, but growing, section of its women delegates and observers who don the niqab - a face veil that reveals only the eyes.

The tudung or hijab - a headscarf that reveals the whole face - is considered standard issue these days in Muslim-majority Malaysia, but some women at the ongoing annual party congress took the further step of covering their faces with white or black niqab.

At the 600-strong meeting of the women's wing last Wednesday, more than two dozen were attired in niqab, including at least two of the 20 female leaders on stage.

This is admittedly a small number but still a big change from just 10 years ago, when face veils were a rarity at the party's annual meetings.

One female delegate wore a white niqab as she spoke at the rostrum during a debate on their wing chief's speech, even though the hall was packed with women, save for a few male reporters and photographers.
The turn towards deeply conservative dressing comes as PAS - the nation's second-largest Malay Muslim party after Umno - returns to its fundamentalist roots, an ongoing move in the past two years.
Niqab were spotted among young women serving as ushers, older women delegates and party members who were attending the congress with their husbands.

Several women who run stalls at a bazaar by the side of the meeting hall were similarly attired.

The face veils were also more visible in the programme brochure for the party's women's meeting, in photos of female PAS leaders and at the party's various committees.

Even though the Muslim community in Malaysia is turning more conservative, it is still highly unusual to see women wearing niqab on the street.

The turn towards deeply conservative dressing comes as PAS - the nation's second-largest Malay Muslim party after Umno - returns to its fundamentalist roots, an ongoing move in the past two years.

During its five-day congress, which ends today, the party resolved to seek a constitutional amendment that would make it necessary for the country's prime minister to be Muslim.

PAS spent nearly eight years until 2015 as part of the now-disbanded Pakatan Rakyat opposition alliance, which took a moderate approach in its politics.

That alliance included the Chinese-based Democratic Action Party (DAP) and the Malay-led, multiracial Parti Keadilan Rakyat.

In 2015, policy disputes - chiefly between secular DAP and PAS over issues including hudud, or harsher Islamic punishments - caused the alliance to fracture.

A version of this article appeared in the print edition of The Straits Times on May 01, 2017, with the headline 'Niqab trend reflects changing face of PAS'. Print Edition | Subscribe

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/niqab-trend-reflects-changing-face-of-pas

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 Author| Post time 2-5-2017 10:58 AM | Show all posts
apasal dah cam sami zoroastrian?  


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Post time 2-5-2017 10:58 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Tak payah keluar rumah langsung lah. Takde sape pun nk tgk.
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 Author| Post time 2-5-2017 11:04 AM | Show all posts
The Manipulation of 24:31

And say to the believing women to lower their gaze and to guard their private
parts and not to show their beauty spots except that of it which is normally
shown. They shall also cover their cleavage with their 'khimars'.

24:31
The starting point for this inquiry is to address the following questions:
1- Do we see the Arabic words 'shaar' (hair) or 'ras' (head) in 24:31? The answer is no.
2- Are there any words in 24:31, or anywhere in the Quran, which address women with the words 'cover your hair' or 'cover your head'? The answer once again is no.

However, traditional scholars insist that God issued a command for women to cover their hair. They refer to 24:31 to make their claim.

The fact that the words 'hair' and 'head' are not found in 24:31 should be sufficient for any unbiased reader to conclude that there cannot be a command to cover parts of the body if these parts are not mentioned in the first place.
Nevertheless, traditional Muslim scholars manipulated the words in 24:31 in order to enforce the covering of the hair on women, but in reality they are enforcing their culture on people and claiming it is Islamic!
It is thus the aim of this paper to analyse 24:31 in detail. In the light of the Quran it can be shown that their claims are all based on manipulated interpretations of the text in 24:31.

Their claim:

They state that the word ‘khimar’ in 24:31 means head cover, and thus they state that this word alone makes it obligatory for all women to wear a khimar to cover their hair. Here it is necessary to analyse two issues:

1- What is the correct meaning of the word khimar?
2- Is there a command in 24:31 for women to cover their hair?

1- What is the correct meaning of the word khimar?

The Arabic word khimar means cover. Any cover is a khimar. A curtain is a khimar, a table cloth that covers the top of a table is a khimar, a blanket can be called a khimar and so on. Equally, an item of clothing, be it a dress, a blouse, a scarf or any other item of clothing can be called a khimar because it covers the body. The word khamr, which is used in the Quran for intoxicants, has the same root as khimar. Khamr (intoxicants) is given that name since it covers the mind.

Traditional translators, influenced by hadith and culture, claim that khimar in 24:31 has only one meaning, and that is veil or hijab! As a result, they mislead women into believing that 24:31 commands them to cover their hair! The fact that the word khimar can mean any cover, and not just head cover, is a matter which can be verified by consulting any Arabic dictionary.
In 24:31 God is telling women to use their khimar (cover/garment), which could be a dress, a coat, a shawl, a blouse, a scarf and so on to cover their cleavage/bosoms. The command in 24:31, regardless of the meaning of the word khimar, is to cover the bossom and not to cover the hair.

2- Is there a command in 24:31 for women to cover their hair?

As mentioned, the words 'head' and 'hair' are not found in 24:31. In addition, we must differentiate between two components in the wording of 24:31.
God says to women to draw their khimar (garment) over their cleavage/bossom. Here we have:

1- The subject of the command, which is the covering of the cleavage/bossom
2- The tool, which is the khimar.

The command is only obligatory in relation to the subject and never the tool.
If the obligation was for the tool as well God would have said:
'cover your cleavage and your hair with your khimar'.
God is not short of words, nor is God vague in the commands He decrees for us.
God will hold us accountable on the Day of Judgement to the commands He gave us in the Quran, so it is not rational to imply for one moment that God would give us vague commands which lack precision and certainty.

To further demonstrate the difference between the command and the tool, consider the following example:
God tells us in 5:4 that He made lawful for us to eat "what the trained birds of prey and dogs catch".
Here the law relates to what we are allowed to eat, while the tool is the trained dogs and birds of prey.
Could we derive from the words in 5:4 that it is obligatory to eat what our dogs and birds catch?
Such claims would be in parallel to the manipulation in 24:31 which turned the tool (khimar) into being the obligation!

In addition, the command to cover the cleavage/bosom also proves that there is no obligation to cover what is above the cleavage/bosom (neck, head and hair). If these parts above the bosom are also to be covered then why would God single out the cleavage/bosom, unless it is because God did not make it mandatory to cover what is above the cleavage?

Finally a mention must be included regarding the words: "not to show their beauty spots except that of it which is normally shown."

Somehow, the scholars managed to manipulate these words as well to imply that women must be covered from head to toe!
The immediate question is: what are the parts of the body which people (in general) and women (in particular) normally cover, and thus, which parts would be described as "normally shown"? When we have defined what is normally covered, it follows that the remaining parts of the body are what is referred to as "normally shown", or normally uncovered. In general, people cover the following:

1- People cover their private parts in order to maintain righteousness (7:26). For women this would include all parts of the body which have sexual connotation such as the private parts, the backside, the chest, thighs and so on. It is for this purpose that God commands women in 33:59 to lengthen their garments so as not to be too revealing.

2- People also cover their bodies in order to keep warm. In warm climates people would only cover what is included under item 1 above, which would be the minimum clothing required but also for maintaining righteousness, while as in colder climates people would cover more of their bodies depending on the severity of the weather.

The above two points define what parts of the body would normally be covered under the words "normally shown".
To imply that the words "normally shown" mean all the body, as some Imams preach, is yet another manipulation of God’s words.
If God wanted the woman to cover all her body, would God be careful to make the command to cover the "cleavage"? Surely the cleavage would be covered if women covered all their body? If that was what God demanded, God would have simply said “cover all your body”. But for God to single out specific parts of the body for covering is the proof that God never required women to cover all their bodies.

http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/misinterpreted_verses/khomoorehenna_(P1226).html
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 Author| Post time 2-5-2017 11:15 AM | Show all posts
bangcak replied at 2-5-2017 11:10 AM
beza luar negara dgn sini.
luar negara etis anti-agama.
sini etis anti-islam je

kalau aku bukak thread hindu, buddha & kristian, tak dapat sambutan laa...

kena tengok target audience gak.... lu nie mmg lembam? keturunan inbred?  
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:17 AM | Show all posts
dlm gambar tu ada dua org je tutup muka
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atira replied at 2-5-2017 11:17 AM
dlm gambar tu ada dua org je tutup muka

Ada lagi... Perati betul2. Blakang2 tu
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:19 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
purdah tak wajib pun...skrg ni nampak jadi ikutan je...aurat perempuan dlm mazhab shafie adalah seluruh tubuh kecuali muka dan tapak tangan
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nuc replied at 2-5-2017 11:19 AM
purdah tak wajib pun...skrg ni nampak jadi ikutan je...aurat perempuan dlm mazhab shafie adalah selu ...

kitab ada satu saja.... apasal byk beza tafsiran?  

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Post time 2-5-2017 11:22 AM | Show all posts
bab pakaian ni..aku no hal..
perempuan ada hak nak pakai apa yg dia selesa...
unless yg berkelubung ni dipaksa tanpa rela..
baru aku nak cerca
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 Author| Post time 2-5-2017 11:25 AM | Show all posts
atira replied at 2-5-2017 11:22 AM
bab pakaian ni..aku no hal..
perempuan ada hak nak pakai apa yg dia selesa...
unless yg berkelubun ...

iye kaa? tak tengok ko pi cerca lebai2 teroris   
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:28 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Lobai_Zakir replied at 2-5-2017 11:21 AM
kitab ada satu saja.... apasal byk beza tafsiran?

Hal mcm tu pun nak tanya ke?
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:30 AM | Show all posts
Lobai_Zakir replied at 2-5-2017 11:25 AM
iye kaa? tak tengok ko pi cerca lebai2 teroris

aku lgi syok cerca ko
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:40 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
al quran tidak blh diambil secars terus..perlu pemahaman yg tinggi..maka wujud mazhab oleh imam yg tinggi ilmu dan faham akan isinya menafsir untuk kemudahan umat islam...mazhab hanyalah perbezaan pendapat sahaja...sumber asal tetap alquran...org islam boleh ikut mana2 mazhab tetapi perlu kekal salah satu sahaja, kalo ikut mazhab shafie perlu tetap dgn mazhab shj
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:44 AM | Show all posts
nuc replied at 2-5-2017 11:40 AM
al quran tidak blh diambil secars terus..perlu pemahaman yg tinggi..maka wujud mazhab oleh imam yg t ...

ye la tu sis...
dtg bab duit...  segala mazhab terbang... tak kisahla ulama ka.. politician syumul ka....
tak caya? tgk sistem zakat kita udah... tak pulak ikut mazhab syafie
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:48 AM | Show all posts
Lobai_Zakir replied at 2-5-2017 11:04 AM
The Manipulation of 24:31

And say to the believing women to lower their gaze and to guard their p ...
Lobai_Zakir
As mentioned, the words 'head' and 'hair' are not found in 24:31. In addition, we must differentiate between two components in the wording of 24:31.
God says to women to draw their khimar (garment) over their cleavage/bossom. Here we have:

1- The subject of the command, which is the covering of the cleavage/bossom
2- The tool, which is the khimar.
Saya mempunyai keraguan untuk hujah di atas.

Kenapa subject of the command hanya "To cover the cleavage/bossom" sahaja? Kenapa tidak "To draw their khimar". Technically, both are actions/commands, bukan?

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Post time 2-5-2017 11:49 AM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
nuc replied at 2-5-2017 11:40 AM
al quran tidak blh diambil secars terus..perlu pemahaman yg tinggi..maka wujud mazhab oleh imam yg t ...

Dah lah.... Kalau ikut mazhab syafiee.. Technically bapa boleh kawin dengan anak luar nikahnya coz bukan berbinti kan Dia... Ka... Itu  laeeeeeennn?  
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Post time 2-5-2017 11:58 AM | Show all posts
nuc replied at 2-5-2017 11:19 AM
purdah tak wajib pun...skrg ni nampak jadi ikutan je...aurat perempuan dlm mazhab shafie adalah selu ...

Kalau nak bertaklid (yakni ikot sahaja secara membabi buta pendapat Imam Shafie) dan bungko9s kepala silakan.....
Tapi cakap biar habis dan dengan sepunohnya.

Imam Shafie (atau nama sebenernya Muhammad bin Idris) juga berpendapat bahawa wanita hamba hanya perlu menutop dari pusat sampai lutot mereka sahaja!

Jadi tolonglah jangan cakap Imam Shafie cakap wanita musti bungkus kepalo dan sila lah lengkapkan sekali kenyataan itu dengan semua qualifikasinya bila memberitahu pendapat Muhammad Idris itu.


Ingatlah dalam forum ini bukan semua orang bodoh tapi ramai juga yang jenis mengkaji dan berfikir.

Wallahualam.

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Post time 2-5-2017 12:02 PM | Show all posts
lkick2113 replied at 2-5-2017 11:49 AM
Dah lah.... Kalau ikut mazhab syafiee.. Technically bapa boleh kawin dengan anak luar nikahnya coz ...

Dalam bab melancap ramai budak budak  yang bertukar dari mazhab Shafie sekejap.
Wallahualam.



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Post time 2-5-2017 12:02 PM | Show all posts
lkick2113 replied at 2-5-2017 11:49 AM
Dah lah.... Kalau ikut mazhab syafiee.. Technically bapa boleh kawin dengan anak luar nikahnya coz ...

Dalam bab melancap ramai budak budak  yang bertukar dari mazhab Shafie sekejap.
Wallahualam.



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