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Edisi fitnah : Dalam kristian tiada kasta!
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bro, kau ni muslim ke???
kalau kau islam, jgn biarkan setan buat kau lupa diri
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jangan sampai kau dgn kafirun pun tarak beza bro
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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 09:46 AM
Ha ha .... cikgu chazey dah fail english
Memang lah kena ajar ko apa tu preposition 'OF' pasal ... Kalo dah kata relationship with god , jadik phrase 'the Holy one of God' bermakna org alim yg ada relationship dgn God.
#facepalm.
THE HOLY ONE OF GOD = THE HOLY ONE THAT COMES FROM GOD lah. Camna ko boleh konar frasa ni kununnya orang alim yang ada relationship dengan God? Orang alim (dalam agama Samawi) pun tak gelar diri dia holy ok? Ada ko pernah baca mana2 nabi dalam Islam ngaku holy? Nabi Muhammad ada kata dia holy ka Sam?
Kalo nak cuba selit konsep Trinity pada phrase tersebut , tak akan jadik pasal ikut kepercayaan kat Trinity , Jesus adalah God , tak ada relationship , dia adalah God (ie. God the Son)
#facepalm.
Di sini dah terserlah kebodohan ko sebagai born Moslem yang tak tahu apa2 pasal konsep triniti tapi berlagak macam ko yang paling faham.
Sapa kata Jesus tak ada relationship with God, as a God? Itu barangkali fahaman seorang born Moslem, bukan born Kristian.
Jesus is the Son of God. As a Son, He has a relationship with the Father and the Holy Spirit. We humans, as our fathers' children, surely have a relationship with our earthly fathers, no? So does Jesus? Bagaimana boleh turunnya ayat "INILAH ANAK KU YANG KU KASIHI, KEPADANYALAH AKU BERKENAN" (Google sindri hapa verse) dari God the Father jika God thr Father takda relationship dengan Jesus? Camana someone boleh mengasihi someone tanpa mengenali that someone?
But sah2 la aku explain panjang lebar pasal ni pun ko takkan faham pasal ni sebab ko tak pernah blaja tentang Jesus dari kecik dan sembah Jesus sebagai Tuhan. Tapi ada hati nak berhujah seolah dia paling pakar pasal Bible. Pght. |
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Edited by chazey at 11-2-2018 11:18 AM
sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 10:14 AM
Ha ha ... ok , ko dulu kristian
Tapi ko kristian yg tak tak tau bible , nampak gaya
Macam la ko tau sangat pasal Koran. Diminta ayat Koran where Nabi Muhammad pbuh directly mengakui dia adalah rasul Allah pun fail. Ceh.
Tapi ada hati nak fitnoh konon dalam Bible Jesus takda ngaku dia Tuhan. Dabel ceh. |
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Edited by chazey at 11-2-2018 11:32 AM
sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 10:14 AM
Ha ha ... ok , ko dulu kristian
Tapi ko kristian yg tak tak tau bible , nampak gaya
Akak dah edit post #99. Lobai sila baca sampai habis. Bukan takat tengok dua tiga baris ayat terawal pastu terketar2 tasabar nak reply.
Btw,
Lagi ayat untok lobai Sam:
Humans do not simply claim to have the same equality with God, Sam. Tuhan ja yang boleh buat gitu, dan di dunia sekarang, pengasas ajaran sesat yang ngaku Tuhan.
Takda sorang pun manusia @ nabi2 penting dalam Islam, dalam Kristian dan dalam Judaism yang berani mengakui dirinya punya same equality dengan Tuhan kecuali Jesus Christ in the Bible. |
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Edited by chazey at 11-2-2018 11:34 AM
Poodehmark punya born Moslem sanggup fitnah agama lain atas alasan dakwah. Dakwah la sangatz. Niat tidak menghalalkan cara, remember? Pght.
Kan @cmf_shalom? |
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Agama Kristian lebih mementingi kasta daripada agama yang lain seperti Islam dan Buddhism |
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Ha ha ... cikgu chazey yg tak tau beza antara Quran & hadith
Kalau nak pengakuan Nabi Muhammad(saw) yg dia Nabi / Rasul , pengakuan tersebut dtg dari hadith. Kalo nak ayat Quran , tersebut adalah perintah Allah utk Nabi Muhammad(saw) menyatakan yg dia Nabi / Rasul
Kan bro Redskin dah bagi pada post#73
Sahih International: Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided. (QS 7:158) Ko tak baca ke atau tak paham apa ko baca?
Jadik apa problem ko dgn pengakuan Nabi Muhammad(saw)? Oh yeah , ko terpengaruh dgn video ABN tu yg kata tak ada pengakuan dlm Quran & Hadith yg Nabi Muhammad(saw) adalah nabi & rasul
Ko tak pakai otak lah
Macamam ni pon boleh mengajar anak2 org ke
Kah kah kah .... cikgu chazey yg tak paham apa dia baca
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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 11:33 AM
Ha ha ... cikgu chazey yg tak tau beza antara Quran & hadith
Kalau nak pengakuan Nabi Muhammad( ...
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Bodo. |
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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 11:33 AM
Ha ha ... cikgu chazey yg tak tau beza antara Quran & hadith
Kalau nak pengakuan Nabi Muhammad( ...
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"Because afterall, in your Quran , Muhammad never says out of his mouth, about himself, 'I am a prophet'. It's your Allah who said it" (0:33-0:42).
*post #53*
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Ha ha .... cikgu chazey yg tak berapa cerdik
Hmmm , perangai lobai & lobainita ateis & pro ateis ni sama aje. Kalo tak mampu jawab apa2 soalan dgn fakta , mulalah meroyan
- bodoh lah
- penipu lah
Soalan masih tak terjawab
Ok , apa taraf messiah dln Kristian? Setau aku , messiah dlm bible adalah 'the anointed one'
Oops ... don't tell me , pada ko 'messiah' dlm bible adalah tuhan .... ini sudah susah lor
Ni aku nak gelak besar :
Pastu ko kata dlam Bible banyak Son of God? Israel pun Son of God? Iya, memang. Yang percaya dengan Jesus sebagai Tuhan aka umat Kristian pun digelar children of God. Tapi itu TIDAK MENAFIKAN DALAM BIBLE JESUS BUKAN TUHAN.
Celaka punya Born Moslem Sam kaki konar. Bila diminta ayat dari Koran di mana Nabi Muhammad directly ngaku dia nabi tak boleh bagi pula. Dok tepek hadith. Ceh. Kalo tak dinafikan dlm bible Jesus bukan tuhan , yg ko dok terkinja kinja macam beruk mak yeh kena belacan dok bagi satu ayat ke satu ayat & cuba klaim biblical Jesus tuhan - buat apa?
Ko kontradik diri sendiri
Ha ha ha ha .... aku tak bagi pasal bro @Redskin dah bagi , cuba ko baca balik post#73 , aku tepek kat sini
Sahih International: Say, [O Muhammad], "O mankind, indeed I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, [from Him] to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. There is no deity except Him; He gives life and causes death." So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered prophet, who believes in Allah and His words, and follow him that you may be guided. (QS 7:158) Ko terlampau konfius & clueless
Kah kah kah .... cikgu chazey dah tak tahan kena pressure ... dah mental
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Edited by sam1528 at 11-2-2018 12:27 PM
Ha ha ... cikgu chazey yg dah terlampau konfius & clueless
Deuteronomy tu bukan dari bible ke? 2 tim3:16 (bible niv)
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Ini lah kelemahan ko , kalo dlm OT ko tak setuju , hey ... its the OT , tak boleh pakai ... podah lah
Ini contoh terbaik yg cikgu chazey dah konfius & clueless atau dah mula nak bohong :
Ayat2 di atas juga sekaligus menafikan dakwaan lobai (born Moslem acah dia paling pakar pasal Bible) Sam bahawa Jesus dan God the Father takda relationship. If takda relationship tak mungkin kuar ayat love me love you seperti di atas.
In contrast, Nabi Muhammad pbuh has never said He is in Allah and Allah is in him. Why? Because he is merely Allah's mortal human servant while the Biblical Jesus dared to say so for He is from God, He is with God, and He is God. Sebab itu Yahudi bunuh dia. Jika Biblical Jesus tidak pernah mengatakan dia Tuhan as claimed by Moslems, maka tidak akan wujud ayat seperti di bawah:
Post aku #65
Kalo ko tak paham apa tu 'OF' , ia adalah preposition
Expressing the relationship between a part and a whole
Tersebut bermakna Biblical Jesus dlm konteks ayat tersebut ada 'relationship' dgn tuhan .... ayat tersebut , setan tak kata dia tuhan
Kalo nak bohong pon ... PRO lah sikit , jgn amateur sgt
Kat mana yg biblical Jesus kata 'he is God' ni? Kalo ada bagi lah rujukkan bible
Kiamat 2x pon ko tak akan mampu bagi
Ha ha ha ha .... lobai & lobainita ateis & pro ateis ni sama aje ... bagi aje argumen yg tak cerdik tanpa rujukkan
Bila mintak rujukkan ... oops ... bawah OSA kot ... ertikata lain ... mengencing lah tu
Lari pulak ke mat26:62-67
Yahudi takkan bunoh Jesus atas tuduhan blasphemy jika dia tak ngaku dia Son of God.
Akak tak faham la apa yang benak sangat born Moslem macam lobai Sam sampai meka tak nampak dah berapa kali Jesus claims to have the same equality as God the Father (which without question confirming Jesus' status as God?) but still lobai born Moslem Sam mahu fitnah Bible tuduh dalam Bible takda ayat pon Jesus ngaku Tuhan? Wth? Cuba ko pinpoint kat mana dlm mat26:62-67 yg geng yahudi to kata biblical Jesus tuhan?
Tersebut catat
the Son of Man seated in the place of power at God’s right hand Kalo dah duduk sebelah God's right hand , macamana dia boleh jadik tuhan pasal dia duduk sebelah tuhan
Consider this : the right hand man of the President is not the President
Geng yahudi tak pernah mengaku biblical Jesus adalah nabi atau rasul. Pada mereka kalo buat pengakuan tersebut adalah blasphemy
Kefahaman ko terlampau lemah atau ko dah mula nak bohong
Kah kah kah .... dah mula nak bohong ye cikgu chazey .... I told you that you would have a hard time
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Edited by enhe.duanna at 11-2-2018 12:20 PM
Tidak habis berlagak mulut besar ni ... sudah hujah bawa saja psalm sedang kan sendiri seleweng ..dixit dominus! |
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Theology debate ni memang neverending sejak dari ratusan tahun lagi. Saya pernah terjebak in these kind of debates but in the end I gave up cuz I realized people are people. They only want to hear what they want no matter how many solid facts you've presented them they will always find ways to rebuke them or miss the whole points completely. This applies to every religions |
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Aerhys replied at 11-2-2018 12:24 PM
Theology debate ni memang neverending sejak dari ratusan tahun lagi. Saya pernah terjebak in these k ...
Ini i sokong |
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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 10:12 AM
Ha ha ... apa lah ko ni cikgu chazey , berpusing pusing ko konar
Memang aku tak paham macamana ...
Macamana ko boleh paham 'THE LIFE' bermakna org yg memberi nyawa?
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Bukan orang.
TUHAN.
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Life, in the Bible, has an important meaning. Life, is not merely memberi nyawa whatsoever as how lobowdo Sam comprehends it. It signifies the eternal life one will have if one believes in Jesus as a God. It also signifies how one has a new life (from darkness to light) if one believes in his divinity. This is how the Christians perceive Jesus as a 'life-giver'. They don't merely talk about is as nyawa but 'hidup' yang kekal selepas mati.
That is why Jesus said He is the Life, for those who believe that he is the son of god that was sent to redeem the sin of the world, will have an eternal life aka enters heaven, as evident in the scripture below:
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
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Kalo ko klaim biblical Jesus tuhan pasal dia boleh hidupkan org mati ; Elijah (1kings17:17-22) & Peter (acts9:36-41) pon boleh buat demikian
Ok. Mari lihat kedua cerita di atas secara terperinci.
Kisah Elijah menghidupkan orang mati
21 Then he stretched himself out on the boy three times and cried out to the Lord, “Lord my God, let this boy’s life return to him!” 22 The Lord heard Elijah’s cry, and the boy’s life returned to him, and he lived.
Kisah Peter menghidupkan orang mati
40 Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, “Tabitha, get up.” She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. 41 He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called for the believers, especially the widows, and presented her to them alive.
Kisah Jesus menghidupkan orang mati - Mark 5:21-43
37 He did not let anyone follow him except Peter, James and John the brother of James. 38 When they came to the home of the synagogue leader, Jesus saw a commotion, with people crying and wailing loudly. 39 He went in and said to them, “Why all this commotion and wailing? The child is not dead but asleep.” 40 But they laughed at him.
After he put them all out, he took the child’s father and mother and the disciples who were with him, and went in where the child was. 41 He took her by the hand and said to her, “Talitha koum!” (which means “Little girl, I say to you, get up!”). 42 Immediately the girl stood up and began to walk around (she was twelve years old). At this they were completely astonished. 43 He gave strict orders not to let anyone know about this, and told them to give her something to eat.
Nampak apa beza antara Elijah, Peter ngan Jesus?
Elijah ngan Peter, seblom menghidupkan orang mati, berdoa dulu, minta pertolongan Tuhan, Tuhan mendengar, dan menjawab doa mereka.
Jesus? Dia Tuhan. Dia takyah berdoa. Dia ada kuasa. Dia command je mayat tu untuk bangun (get up), mayat tu bangun.
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Cuba ko baca betul2 pada ayat 14 :
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us
Biblical Jesus adalah 'the word made flesh' atau 'the word became flesh' bukan word atau the actual word
Jadik pada john1:1 , macamana ko boleh samakan 'word' dgn 'word made flesh'?
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Akak kagum sangat dengan kebodohan lobowdo Sam terutama part yang akak boldkan tu.
Akak tepek sekali lagi ayat John 1:1-14 supaya orang yang faham inglis boleh faham kebenakan lobowdo Sam yang gagal total memahami ayat mudah:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Now perhati ayat2 di bawah:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
Macamana lowbowdo Sam boleh benak namampus sampai tak nampak The Word dalam ayat 'in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God ngan The Word dalam frasa 'The Word became flesh' tu bukan merujuk kepada benda yang sama? Gila ka apa lowbowdo Sam ini?
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sam1528 replied at 11-2-2018 11:52 AM
Ha ha .... cikgu chazey yg tak berapa cerdik
Hmmm , perangai lobai & lobainita ateis & pro atei ...
Aku taip:
"Because afterall, in your Quran , Muhammad never says out of his mouth, about himself, 'I am a prophet'. It's your Allah who said it" (0:33-0:42).
*post #53*
Respon ko pula:
Bodoh namampus. So betul la kan Nabi Muhammad pbuh takda pun ngaku dia nabi utusan Allah? Yang ada cuma firman Allah yang suroh nabi kata Say O Muhammad, I am the Messenger of Allah?
Dan, dalam video kokesen sapa tah pasal debat agama yang aku tepek tu meka tak cakap pasal hadith, meka cakap pasal Quran. Ko yang bodo memandai cakap pasal hadith.
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Motif akak post ter bold bagai? |
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Aiyoyo takda command bold pon boleh bold ka? |
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enhe.duanna replied at 11-2-2018 12:26 PM
Ini i sokong
In the end atheists juga yg bersorak bertepuk tangan melihat orang bergaduh mengenai agama masing2. But when an atheist enters the discussion all hells break loose |
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