The Koran and the Jews

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Debmey

People can lie, but the genes don't.
No amount of revisionism can change genes can they?
And the genes tell us that the Jews are who they claim they are.

And the Quran says that Israel belongs to Jews not arabs.

And also the descendent of Noah are the Kurds. Not surprisingly, the Ark was believed to have ended somewhere near the region where the Kurds inhabits. :ah:

Debmey

The whole world was descended from Noah.

And up till now, no Muslism have been able to debunk what the Quran says about Israelbelonging to Jews. The cannot and they also refuse to change their stance because they have dug themselves into a shit hole that pride refuses to let them out, even if it means disobeying allah.

The koran quoted Moses warning his "people" ("people" here is obviously the Jews and definetely not US!), either they turn their tail or not, either they'll be the loser or the winner, what we understand that Moses has alerted his people but his people simply ignored him. tell me who are these "people" or these kafirs for disobeying Allah? are they jews or us? If only the quran verses mentioning us as "the people" we know what we should do to obey our god  in order not to be the losers!

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-7 12:35 PM:
People can lie, but the genes don't.
No amount of revisionism can change genes can they?
And the genes tell us that the Jews are who they claim they are.

And the Quran says that Isra ...

Really? The Palestinians are culturally and linguistically Arabic but are they also genetically?

A keynote research paper showing that Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinians are genetically almost identical has been pulled from a leading journal.
  
Academics who have already received copies of Human Immunology have been urged to rip out the offending pages and throw them away.
  
Such a drastic act of self-censorship is unprecedented in research publishing and has created widespread disquiet, generating fears that it may involve the suppression of scientific work that questions Biblical dogma.



Read about it...scroll further down this url:

http://www.thehandstand.org/arch ... rticles/semitic.htm

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 7-6-2004 at 01:44 PM ]

why do you adopt such a wavering stance when you contends first that Jews have no historical connection to Palestine but now contends that Palestinian Arabs have identical genetic code with the Jews and at the same time insists they have rights over the land but not the Jews?

:siok:

Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 2004-6-7 01:45 PM:
why do you adopt such a wavering stance when you contends first that Jews have no historical connection to Palestine but now contends that Palestinian Arabs have identical genetic code with the Jew ...

I'm talking about middle eastern Jews (a minority) and palestinians ~ not the majority European Jews, who are 'imported' to Israel (or they are the decendants of those who have been imported or exported themselves since 1948). These European 'Jews' don't share the common gene. There is no wavering on my part. It reflects the wavering of your understanding.

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 7-6-2004 at 02:27 PM ]

Debmey

Research have shown that European Jews are indeed Jews, yu are a liar Kennkid.
The genes don't lie, Kennkid does.

And Kennkid still cannot explain away the contradicting behavior of Muslims against the Quran.

Jews in ME & Europe have the same genetic code.

Debmey

Kennkid just tryin to pull a fast one. Thats why he is still blinded.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-7 02:23 PM:
Kennkid just tryin to pull a fast one. Thats why he is still blinded.

I don't gain anything by 'pulling a fast one'. Genetics  is not something that one can just make up stories with, neither is it a matter of insistence.

A sample of 526 Y chromosomes representing six Middle Eastern populations...was analyzed for 13 binary polymorphisms and six microsatellite loci. The investigation of the genetic relationship among three Jewish communities revealed that Kurdish and Sephardic Jews were indistinguishable from one another, whereas both differed slightly, yet significantly, from Ashkenazi Jews. The differences among Ashkenazim may be a result of low-level gene flow from European populations and/or genetic drift during isolation. ... In our sample, this low-level gene flow may be reflected in the Eu 19 chromosomes, which are found at elevated frequency (12.7%) in Ashkenazi Jews and which are very frequent in Eastern Europeans (54%-60%) (Semino et al. 2000). Alternatively, it is attractive to hypothesize that Ashkenazim with Eu 19 chromosomes represent descendants of the Khazars, originally a Turkic tribe from Central Asia, who settled in southern Russia and eastern Ukraine and converted en masse to Judaism in the ninth century of the present era, as described by Yehuda Ha-Levi in 1140 A.D. (Dunlop 1954).

http://www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/jews.html


http://www.cilicia.com/armo24g.html


http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 7-6-2004 at 03:37 PM ]

Kenn, Ashkenazi Jews are not Khazars. If they are Turks, there's no need to debate!

When the Romans dispersed the Jews in 70AD which resulted in the Diaspora, Jews settled in Eastern & Southern Europe and parts of Middle East & North Africa. During World War, Jews flee to many parts of the world.

Ashkenazi Jews, like all Jewish populations, originated in the Middle East whose ancestors who immigrated to Eastern Europe at the time of the Diaspora (70 A.D.). They are a group of Jews whose ancestors lived in Central and Eastern Europe, e.g. Germany, Poland, Lithuania, and Russia. Distinct subgroups of Jews evolved in the Middle East, Mediterranean and Far East- Sephardic and Oriental Jews. Nonetheless are still Jews.

Debmey

Here's what one of Kennkid's links above said.
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
Additional research is necessary, and it will certainly take several more years to sort it all out. All existing studies fail to compare modern Jewish populations' DNA to ancient Judean DNA and medieval Khazarian DNA, and many of them focus on paternal ancestries rather than maternal ancestries, so the extrapolations and assumptions made by geneticists may not necessarily be correct. Studies that do take into account mtDNA show that many Jewish populations are related to neighboring non-Jewish groups maternally.

http://www.cilicia.com/armo24g.html
A second variant form of the gene, according to the American team, is shared by Iraqi Jews, Ashkenazi Jews, the Moslem Druze sect and Armenians. The two variants are similar and probably derive from the same founder.


http://www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/jews.html
This link doesn't work.
This shows that Kennkid cut and pasted w/o reading.


Here's what the latest and most accurate gene reasearch ahs shown. they used both Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA to back up their reserach.
And the link works too.
http://www.cohen-levi.org/jewish ... _-_dna_evidence.htm
It shows that Jews are distinct from all other semitic people, whether they are middle easternj or european.
It does however show that Ethiopian Jews were descendents of converts and not one of the lost tribes.


http://www.yfiles.com/aaron.html
Here's another one that is widely reported and recognised thru'out the world about the Kohanim gene study that shows that all the descendents of Aaron are clearly linked worldwide. This puts to rest all that crap that modern day Jews are Khazars.

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-7 04:23 PM:
Here's what one of Kennkid's links above said.
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
Additional research is necessary, and it will certainly take several more years to sort i ...

You have not read the url's in full. You only picked and chose the sentences that are suitable to your liking.;)

http://www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/jews.html

This link doesn't work.
This shows that Kennkid cut and pasted w/o reading - [quote debmey]

The above url works perfectly. There must be something wrong with your pc. I read all of it. Do you want me to paste the whole article?

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As for the the contents of the urls that you pasted about the Cohens, they  have been debunked by me,  during the 'era' of the Religion forum.

Avshalom Zoossmann-Diskin. "Are today's Jewish priests descended from the old ones?" HOMO: Journal of Comparative Human Biology - Zeitschrift f黵 vergleichende Biologie des Menschen 51:2-3 (Urban and Fischer Verlag, 2000): 156-162. (Summary). Abstract:

"Careful examination of their [Skorecki's and Thomas's] works reveals many faults that lead to the inevitable conclusion that their claim [that most Cohenim share a common origin] has not been proven. The faults are: the definition of the studied communities, significant differences between three samples of Jewish priests, failure to use enough suitable markers to construct the Unique-Event-polymorphisms haplotypes, problematic method of calculating coalescence time and underestimating the mutation rate of Y chromosome microsatellites. The suggestion that the 'Cohen modal haplotype' is a signature haplotype for the ancient Hebrew population is also not supported by data from other populations." (p. 156)
Zoossmann claims that the studies of Jewish priests are rather problematic. They merge together the Sephardim even though they are diverse, and he claims this is unscientific. He also argues that some useful markers were not used in the studies. The SRY4064, SRY 465, Tat, and sY81 polymorphisms were useless for the purposes of the studies, he writes. Also, the Cohen modal haplotype is the most common haplotype among Southern Italians and Central Italians [A. Cagli

However, I'm sure Debmey is more than elated that the  "Bene Israel" of India are now recognized as the "purest of the pure" :bgrin:. Aharon Daniel has his doubts though.;)

Contacted in the Israeli town of Ramla, 15 miles from Tel Aviv, where he emigrated from Mumbai, Aharon Daniel expressed doubt about the new findings. 揗any scientists have claimed to have found Israeli or Cohanim genes in tribes in black Africa and other communities around the world and many here were sceptical about this,

Kennkid, talks of Khazars failed. You went to Ashkenzi Jewish talk. Failed again. Now talking about Cohenism of the priests and Indian Jews. I think Debmey had give you the answers.

No matter how hard you try, the Jews in Israel are indeed Jews of Israel. Except Palestinian Arabs who are still Arabs and never will they be Philistines! Talks of religion failed you attack racial authenticity. Seems to me you people are pretty desperate. But God will never be on your side.

DARSITA

Originally posted by Debmey at 6-6-04 06:51 AM:
Yep, the Koran does say that Israel belong to Jews alright, and Zionists are the people who support that very concept shared by the Koran.
Once Muslims start agreeing with the Koran on thi ...

You seem to imply that Palestinians have no right to the land? after 13 centuries of habitation, Arabs have a right to feel that Palestine is 'their' land, and not that of the 'other'.

Debmey

The arabs didn't inhabit Israel for 13 centuries. Most of them were relatively recent migrants from Yemen, syria and Egypt. They migrated because the Israeli economy boomed under the Jews who returned.
Thats why there is no distinct Palestinian culture nor traditions from Arabs elsewhere and you can still trace them back to where they came from by their names. This whole Palestinian antity is nothing but a hoax to fool the world.

We don't recognize Christian Zionists  speaking on behalf of Jews. Their views are elligitimate & invalid.

If Jewry is gauged by genetics & not by religion or culture, then  the Jewishness of  the majority of Jews who have 'returned' to Israel  is indeed doubtful.

That is one aspect of the problem.  

The other aspect is that their so-called 'return' to Israel is more on the basis of greed rather than following the precepts of the Torah. Zionism is anti Torah & anti Judaism. The present State of Israel is illegitimate & the occupation of Palestinian territory is also invalid.

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"Our short term plan is to lesson somewhat the anti-Jewish sentiment which Zionism has created around the world and particularly in Islamic countries. We seek to inform the nations of the world that the dispossession of the Palestinians which exploded in 1948 but which had really been taking place since the turn of the century was wrong. And, that Torah Jewry had no part in this evil action. In general, we want to present an alternative to, so called, organized Jewry which forever wanders the globe seeking, in the true spirit of Zionism, to sew the seeds of hate against the nations."



American Orthodox-Jews led by Rabbi Moshe Ber Beck in a miniature demonstration at Central Park, New York.  The demonstration took place whilst many Jews were unfortunately celebrating a day which they call Yom Ha'atzma'ut