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SAMDOL TELAH DIBOGELKAN DI THREAD Adakah ini sejarah asal islam" & SAMDOL JUGA DITIPU OLEH PTOLEMY POSTING #105

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Post time 11-11-2018 04:42 PM | Show all posts
Yet because they lump fact and fictional "tradition" together, under the category of "History", it creates a false illusion of Islamic "tradition" regarding ancient history as being historical. This exceedingly unscholarly approach is misleading, even though most publications carefully couch any references that suggest a pre-4th century AD Mecca or Kaaba, with

this is JUST AN OPINION u know ,  opinion-based statement  NOT based on appraisals of the content pun.


u  ken kalau i tanya apa yg fiction? apa tu tradition? how they are validated? what ar ethe criteria?

utak leh jawab lah sebab anda tak tahu.

so u cant ask the questions like I did above to test your understanding, becaus eu simply do not know ,and just relying on the given  opinion - based statement.

dia kata fiction anda puns etulah - sebab anda tak tahu , tak ada basic.


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Edited by sam1528 at 11-11-2018 05:26 PM
FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 03:41 PM
Bullshittttt punya lobai estate.....One thing that is absolutely not arguable, is that obsolete and  ...

Ha ha ha ha .... lobai mat slow v2 masih lagi blur pasal tak paham apa ko baca , kureng fasih english lah tu

Dok teriak bagi org hilang akai ... you are missing the elephant in the room lah tambi

I am not surprised ... ko ni bukan cerdik sgt ... asyik kena belasah aje

Ko nak cakap pasal Ptolemy lagi ke? Ni  rujukkan ko

Ni apa ko merepek :
The maps look distorted when compared to modern maps, because Ptolemy's data were inaccurate. One reason is that Ptolemy estimated the size of the Earth as too small: while Eratosthenes found 700 stadia for a great circle degree on the globe, Ptolemy uses 500 stadia in the Geography. It is highly probable that these were the same stadion, since Ptolemy switched from the former scale to the latter between the Syntaxis and the Geography, and severely readjusted longitude degrees accordingly. See also Ancient Greek units of measurement and History of geodesy.
[size=21.647058486938477px]Because Ptolemy derived many of his key latitudes from crude longest day values, his latitudes are erroneous on average by roughly a degree (2 degrees for Byzantium, 4 degrees for Carthage),....

Apa yg ko cakap konfom lah dgn rujukkan yg ko bagi ttg Ptolemy :
Ptolemys sources knew Mecca from the overland caravan route, and had never approached the town from the coast.
ie. Ptolemy's calulation is from the caravan route lah tambi

Dia kira ikut the caravan route & dia gunakan asas pengiraan dia (meaning cara dia)

Ko dgn teramat amat kureng cerdik pakai data Ptolemy & gunakan atas catra masa kini

Pakai lah otak sikit tambi ... kalo nak ikut pengiraan Ptolemy ... gunakan apa yg dia gunakan

Kalo ko pakai otak , result dia akan konfom ttg Ptolemy with the consensus in Academic Scholarship
Among the names is Macoraba C Ptolemy spells it Makoraba in Greek, but Latin translations prefer Machoraba and Macoraba C which Ptolemy puts in the west of the Arabian Peninsula.There is a consensus in academic scholarship that Mecca is Macoraba. The coordinates put it roughly in the right place, and the name seems roughly correct. Several etymologies have been proposed, but the preferred solution is that it comes from an Old South Arabian word like *mikrb,with the meaning temple. Macoraba was therefore a noteworthy centre of pre-Islamic religion as far back as the second century CE. When you encounter Macoraba in scholarly literature you are quite likely to find this etymology, and extremely likely to find the identification with Mecca.

He he he he ... the consensus of Academic Scholarship adalah
(1) Mecca is Macoraba
(2) the coordinates calculated by Ptolemy puts it right here

Too bad tambi , pendirian ko adalah 'revisionist' yg tak diterima oleh the scholars

Ertikata lain .... ko dah fail lah tambi pasal togok kencing org yg bukan scholars macam Jay Smith & Dan Gibson

Kah kah kah ... lobi mat slow v2 hanya ada backup of layman manakala geng muslim stand with the Consensus of Academic Scholarship
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Edited by sam1528 at 11-11-2018 05:34 PM
FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 03:44 PM
To consider the Gospel with an Islamic perspective please visit IslamAndTheTruth.com

Besides Ah ...

Ha ha ha ha ... he he he he ... terbarai lagi ... sumber rujukkan lobai mat slow adalah site anti Islam

What site you might ask? Ni dia site tersebut

Kan aku dah kata ... ko ni teramat amat kureng cerdik ... in fact bodoh sampai ke tulang

Ni contoh apa geng missionary ko buat (dari rujukkan ko tau)
"We then decided to place Ptolemys coordinates on a grid without any reference to any maps. Then we would try and match the rivers to see what Ptolemy had done."



"When we attempted to overlay these coordinates on a modern map many problems arose when trying to fit them correctly. (See below)"


LOL ... aku gelak besar ... ini keje org yg tak pakai otak lah tambi , ko dah togok kencing depa makes you worse than org tak pakai otak

Ko tau apa depa buat? Depa ambil coordinates Ptolemy & place it with the current map

Bagus lah tu ... ini kes nak mengencing aje & ko togok kencing depa sampai 'eeeerrrrkkk' tanpa usul periksa

Kan aku dah kata pada post#42 (sebelum post ini) :

Ko dgn teramat amat kureng cerdik pakai data Ptolemy & gunakan atas catra masa kini

Pakai lah otak sikit tambi ... kalo nak ikut pengiraan Ptolemy ... gunakan apa yg dia gunakan

Kalo ko pakai otak , result dia akan konfom ttg Ptolemy with the consensus in Academic Scholarship
Among the names is Macoraba C Ptolemy spells it Makoraba in Greek, but Latin translations prefer Machoraba and Macoraba C which Ptolemy puts in the west of the Arabian Peninsula.There is a consensus in academic scholarship that Mecca is Macoraba. The coordinates put it roughly in the right place, and the name seems roughly correct. Several etymologies have been proposed, but the preferred solution is that it comes from an Old South Arabian word like *mikrb,with the meaning temple. Macoraba was therefore a noteworthy centre of pre-Islamic religion as far back as the second century CE. When you encounter Macoraba in scholarly literature you are quite likely to find this etymology, and extremely likely to find the identification with Mecca.

He he he he ... the consensus of Academic Scholarship adalah
(1) Mecca is Macoraba
(2) the coordinates calculated by Ptolemy puts it right here

Ta da ... nampak gaya the Consensus of Academic Scholarship adalah dgn geng muslim , manakala lobai mat slow v2 berdiri bersama the Gutter of Academic Scholarship

Senang aje tambi nak londeh kan ko ... ko langsung tak gunakan otak utk pikir ... dok togok kencing geng missionary aje sampai 'eeeerrrrkkk'

Kah kah kah ... sekali lagi lobai mat slow v2 kantoi dimalukan dgn terhina sekali

** Ni aku kena bagi tau semua org .... rujukkan lobai mat slow selama ini adalah site anti Islam : Ini & Ini
Lobai mat slow v2 dah togok kencing depa sampai 'eeeeerrrrkkk'

Cuba ko ... mat slow v2 ... tanya depa kat mana dlm bible Jesus mengaku tuhan & mintak disembah .... simple question aje , sambil2 tu ko pon boleh jawab lah ... kalo pon ko mampu jawab


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sam1528 replied at 11-11-2018 05:24 PM
Ha ha ha ha ... he he he he ... terbarai lagi ... sumber rujukkan lobai mat slow adalah site anti  ...

Puas la lobai estate nak memutarbelitkan fakta, dah lah BI kelaut.

Mesti lobai estate dah tak boleh tahan dengan kebodohan sendiri asik kantoi bodoh je sebab itu dah tag gang lobai minta bantuan

Hahaha...bodoh punya lobai samdol @ Lobai estate!
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sam1528 replied at 11-11-2018 05:24 PM
Ha ha ha ha ... he he he he ... terbarai lagi ... sumber rujukkan lobai mat slow adalah site anti  ...

Lol lobai estate dah kantoi bodoh, anti islam lah ..itu la...ini lah, hahaha

Samdol telah dibogelkan lagi kerana kebodohanya, kekononya untuk menunjukan dia cerdik salahkan anti islam. Samdol fakta tak boleh diputarbelitkan tau! Cuma lobai estate bodoh seperti kau sahaja tidak boleh menerina kebenaran..kekononya salahkan anti islam.

Patutlah gang lobai samdol bodoh.
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FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 05:44 PM
Puas la lobai estate nak memutarbelitkan fakta, dah lah BI kelaut.

Mesti lobai estate dah tak b ...

Ha ha ha ha ... kesian lobai mat slow v2

Konfom dah yg diri ko amat2 kureng cerdik & amat2 kureng fasih english

Rujukkan ko sendiri catat yg Ptolemy gunakan pengiraan berdasarkan overland caravan routes

Nampak benar ko tak paham apa ko baca

Kalo tak paham , pasal apa ko dok ke hulu ke hilir jaja benda yg ko sendiri tak paham?

He he he he ... terbarai lagi selama ni ko tak tau apa yg ko dok cakap ... this is soooo poor lah tambi

Aku tag semua org pasal aku tak boleh lah gelak sorang2 ... lawak ttg ko amat2 kureng cerdik & kureng fasih english kena share lah , org lain pon nak ketawa jugak

Kah kah kah ... lobai mat slow v2 dah kena kencing dgn geng missionary kristian ... sampai 'eeeerrrrkkk' togok kencing depa
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FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 05:54 PM
Lol lobai estate dah kantoi bodoh, anti islam lah ..itu la...ini lah, hahaha

Samdol telah dibo ...

FM - can you not be objective in your asessment?

kalau nak discussion ni  about sapa memang tapi the truth , push aside the name callings...
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Edited by sam1528 at 11-11-2018 10:12 PM
FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 05:54 PM
Lol lobai estate dah kantoi bodoh, anti islam lah ..itu la...ini lah, hahaha

Samdol telah dibo ...

Ha ha ha ha ... tak betul ke yg ko , lobai mat slow v2 dok copy paste dari site anti Islam

Kesian aku tengok ko ... LOL ... selama ini ko dok copy paste dari anti Islam sites lah

Lol lobai estate dah kantoi bodoh, anti islam lah ..itu la...ini lah, hahaha

Samdol telah dibogelkan lagi kerana kebodohanya, kekononya untuk menunjukan dia cerdik salahkan anti islam. Samdol fakta tak boleh diputarbelitkan tau! Cuma lobai estate bodoh seperti kau sahaja tidak boleh menerina kebenaran..kekononya salahkan anti islam.

Patutlah gang lobai samdol bodoh.

Laaaa ... patut pon argumen ko cacamarba : Macamana ko boleh ambil coordinates Ptolemy & place it in the current map?

Hanya org bodoh sampai ke tulang aje buat demikian

Bila ko kantoi dimalukan dgn terhina sekali ... dah tersepit tak boleh cakap apa2 ... mula lah panggil org lain :
ko bodoh ... ko bodoh ... ko bodoh

LOL ... ko dah kena londeh lah tambi

Overlaying of maps with a 2000 yrs differential adalah keje yg paling tak logik sekali lah tambi

Macam aku kata :
the Consensus of Academic Scholarship adalah dgn geng muslim , manakala lobai mat slow v2 berdiri bersama the Gutter of Academic Scholarship

Kah kah kah .... lobai mat slow v2 dah kena checkmate ... tak mampu buat apa2 lagi

*** Pssst ... dah tanya depa ... mana dlm bible yg ada pengakuan Jesus dia tuhan & mintak di sembah

Arwah Ahmad Deedat(may Allah bless him) tanya soalan ini & sampai skg tak mampu dijawab oleh geng ko ... patut pon bro  @Redskin  panggil ko pader  FOTHER-MUCKER ... terbarai lagi pekung ko
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mbhcsf replied at 11-11-2018 10:08 PM
FM - can you not be objective in your asessment?

kalau nak discussion ni  about sapa memang tap ...

Jgn harap lah sis

Itu saja cara dia nak konon nya lawan balik

Fakta tadak , auta lebih


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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 11-11-2018 10:31 PM

Hahaha lobai estate dah kantoi bodoh habisan..dah kantoi gila habisan tak boleh menerima fakta!

Btw lobai estate @ lobai samdol siap tag gang lobai untuk backup kerana kebodohanya. Kemudian kerana kebodohanya sendiri...salahkan anti islam kekononya untuk tutup kemaluan yang dibogelkan.
Anti islam konon...

Claudius Ptolemy was a Roman citizen of Egypt who wrote in Greek. He was a mathematician, astronomer, geographer, astrologer, and poet of a single epigram in the Greek Anthology. He lived in Egypt under Roman rule, and is believed to have been born in the town of Ptolemais Hermiou in the Thebaid. This theory, proposed by Theodore Meliteniotes, could be correct, but it is late (ca. 1360) and unsupported. There is no reason to suppose that he ever lived anywhere else than Alexandria, where he died around AD 168.

Ptolemy was the author of several scientific treatises, at least three of which were of continuing importance to later Islamic and European science. The first is the astronomical treatise now known as the Almagest (in Greek, Ἡ Ŧά˦ ύͦӦΦς, "The Great Treatise", originally ȦǦ̦Ӧɦὴ ύͦӦΦς, "Mathematical Treatise"). The second is the Geography, which is a thorough discussion of the geographic knowledge of the Greco-Roman world. The third is the astrological treatise known sometimes in Greek as the Apotelesmatika(ἈЦϦӦŦ˦ŦҦ̦Ӧɦά), more commonly in Greek as the Tetrabiblos (ŦӦά¦ɦ¦˦ς "Four books"), and in Latin as the Quadripartitum (or four books) in which he attempted to adapt horoscopic astrology to the Aristotelian natural philosophy of his day.
Background

The name Claudius is a Roman nomen; the fact that Ptolemy bore it indicates he lived under the Roman rule of Egypt with the privileges and political rights of Roman citizenship. It would have suited custom if the first of Ptolemy's family to become a citizen (whether he or an ancestor) took the nomen from a Roman called Claudius who was responsible for granting citizenship. If, as was common, this was the emperor, citizenship would have been granted between AD 41 and 68 (when Claudius, and then Nero, were emperors). The astronomer would also have had a praenomen, which remains unknown. It may have been Tiberius, as that praenomen was very common among those whose families had been granted citizenship by these emperors.

Ptolemaeus (ӦϦ˦Ŧ̦ῖς C Ptolemaios) is a Greek name. It occurs once in Greek mythology, and is of Homeric form. It was common among the Macedonian upper class at the time of Alexander the Great, and there were several of this name among Alexander's army, one of whom made himself King of Egypt in 323 BC: Ptolemy I Soter. All the kings after him, until Egypt became a Roman province in 30 BC, were also Ptolemies.

Perhaps for no other reason than the association of name, the 9th century Persian astronomer Abu Ma'shar assumed Ptolemy to be member of Egypt's royal lineage, stating that the ten kings of Egypt who followed Alexander were wise "and included Ptolemy the Wise, who composed the book of the Almagest". Abu Ma'shar recorded a belief that a different member of this royal line "composed the book on astrology and attributed it to Ptolemy". We can evidence historical confusion on this point from Abu Ma'shar's subsequent remark It is sometimes said that the very learned man who wrote the book of astrology also wrote the book of the Almagest. The correct answer is not known. There is little evidence on the subject of Ptolemy's ancestry, apart from what can be drawn from the details of his name (see above); however modern scholars refer to Abu Mashars account as erroneous, and it is no longer doubted that the astronomer who wrote the Almagestalso wrote the Tetrabiblos as its astrological conterpart.

Beyond his being considered a member of Alexandria's Greek society, few details of Ptolemy's life are known for certain. He wrote in Ancient Greek and is known to have utilized Babylonian astronomical data. He was a Roman citizen, but most scholars conclude that Ptolemy was ethnically Greek, although some suggest he was a Hellenized Egyptian. He was often known in later Arabic sources as "the Upper Egyptian", suggesting he may have had origins in southern Egypt. Later Arabic astronomers, geographers and physicists referred to him by his name in  Batlaymus.
Astronomy

The Almagest is the only surviving comprehensive ancient treatise on astronomy. Babylonian astronomers had developed arithmetical techniques for calculating astronomical phenomena; Greek astronomers such as Hipparchus had produced geometric models for calculating celestial motions. Ptolemy, however, claimed to have derived his geometrical models from selected astronomical observations by his predecessors spanning more than 800 years, though astronomers have for centuries suspected that his models' parameters were adopted independently of observations. Ptolemy presented his astronomical models in convenient tables, which could be used to compute the future or past position of the planets. The Almagestalso contains a star catalogue, which is an appropriated version of a catalogue created by Hipparchus. Its list of forty-eight constellations is ancestral to the modern system of constellations, but unlike the modern system they did not cover the whole sky (only the sky Hipparchus could see). Through the Middle Ages it was spoken of as the authoritative text on astronomy, with its author becoming an almost mythical figure, called Ptolemy, King of Alexandria. The Almagest was preserved, like most of Classical Greek science, in Arabic manuscripts (hence its familiar name). Because of its reputation, it was widely sought and was translated twice into Latin in the 12th century, once in Sicily and again in Spain. Ptolemy's model, like those of his predecessors, was geocentric and was almost universally accepted until the appearance of simpler heliocentric models during the scientific revolution.

His Planetary Hypotheses went beyond the mathematical model of the Almagest to present a physical realization of the universe as a set of nested spheres, in which he used the epicycles of his planetary model to compute the dimensions of the universe. He estimated the Sun was at an average distance of 1210 Earth radii while the radius of the sphere of the fixed stars was 20,000 times the radius of the Earth.

Ptolemy presented a useful tool for astronomical calculations in his Handy Tables, which tabulated all the data needed to compute the positions of the Sun, Moon and planets, the rising and setting of the stars, and eclipses of the Sun and Moon. Ptolemy's Handy Tables provided the model for later astronomical tables or zjes. In the Phaseis (Risings of the Fixed Stars) Ptolemy gave a parapegma, a star calendar or almanac based on the hands and disappearances of stars over the course of the solar year.
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FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 10:24 PM
Hahaha lobai estate dah kantoi bodoh habisan..dah kantoi gila habisan tak boleh menerima fakta!{:1_5 ...

Geography

Ptolemy's other main work is his Geographia. This also is a compilation of what was known about the world's geography in the Roman Empire during his time. He relied somewhat on the work of an earlier geographer, Marinos of Tyre, and on gazetteers of the Roman and ancient Persian Empire, but most of his sources beyond the perimeter of the Empire were unreliable.

The first part of the Geographia is a discussion of the data and of the methods he used. As with the model of the solar system in the Almagest, Ptolemy put all this information into a grand scheme. Following Marinos, he assigned coordinates to all the places and geographic features he knew, in a grid that spanned the globe. Latitude was measured from the equator, as it is today, but Ptolemy preferred in book 8 to express it as the length of the longest day rather than degrees of arc (the length of the midsummer day increases from 12h to 24h as one goes from the equator to the polar circle). In books 2 through 7, he used degrees and put the meridian of 0 longitude at the most western land he knew, the "Blessed Islands", probably the Cape Verde islands
(not the Canary Islands, as long accepted) as suggested by the location of the six dots labelled the "FORTUNATA" islands near the left extreme of the blue sea of Ptolemy's map here reproduced.

Ptolemy also devised and provided instructions on how to create maps both of the whole inhabited world (oikoumen) and of the Roman provinces. In the second part of the Geographia he provided the necessary topographic lists, and captions for the maps. His oikoumen spanned 180 degrees of longitude from the Blessed Islands in the Atlantic Ocean to the middle of China, and about 80 degrees of latitude from Shetland to anti-Meroe (east coast of Africa); Ptolemy was well aware that he knew about only a quarter of the globe, and an erroneous extension of China southward suggests his sources did not reach all the way to the Pacific Ocean.

The maps in surviving manuscripts of Ptolemy's Geographia, however, date only from about 1300, after the text was rediscovered by Maximus Planudes. It seems likely that the topographical tables in books 2C7 are cumulative texts C texts which were altered and added to as new knowledge became available in the centuries after Ptolemy (Bagrow 1945). This means that information contained in different parts of the Geography is likely to be of different date.



Maps based on scientific principles had been made since the time of Eratosthenes (3rd century BC), but Ptolemy improved projections. It is known that a world map based on the Geographia was on display in Augustodunum, Gaul in late Roman times. In the 15th century Ptolemy's Geographia began to be printed with engraved maps; the earliest printed edition with engraved maps was produced in Bologna in 1477, followed quickly by a Roman edition in 1478 (Campbell, 1987). An edition printed at Ulm in 1482, including woodcut maps, was the first one printed north of the Alps. The maps look distorted as compared to modern maps, because Ptolemy's data was inaccurate. One reason is that Ptolemy estimated the size of the Earth as too small: while Eratosthenes found 700 stadiafor a great circle degree on the globe, in the Geographia Ptolemy uses 500 stadia. It is highly probable that these were the same stadion since Ptolemy switched from the former scale to the latter between the Syntaxisand the Geographia, and severely readjusted longitude degrees accordingly. If they both used the Attic stadion of about 185 meters, then the older estimate is 1/6 too large, and Ptolemy's value is 1/6 too small, a difference explained as due to ancient scientists' use of simple methods of measuring the earth, which were corrupted either high or low by a factor of 5/6, due to air's bending of horizontal light rays by 1/6 of the Earth's curvature. See also Ancient Greek units of measurement and History of geodesy.

Because Ptolemy derived many of his key latitudes from crude longest day values, his latitudes are erroneous on average by roughly a degree (2 degrees for Byzantium, 4 degrees for Carthage), though capable ancient astronomers knew their latitudes to more like a minute. (Ptolemy's own latitude was in error by 14'.) He agreed (Geographia 1.4) that longitude was best determined by simultaneous observation of lunar eclipses, yet he was so out of touch with the scientists of his day that he knew of no such data more recent than 500 years before (Arbela eclipse). When switching from 700 stadia per degree to 500, he (or Marinos) expanded longitude differences between cities accordingly (a point first realized by P.Gosselin in 1790), resulting in serious over-stretching of the Earth's east-west scale in degrees, though not distance. Achieving highly precise longitude remained a problem in geography until the invention of the marine chronometer at the end of the 18th century. It must be added that his original topographic list cannot be reconstructed: the long tables with numbers were transmitted to posterity through copies containing many scribal errors, and people have always been adding or improving the topographic data: this is a testimony to the persistent popularity of this influential work in the history of cartography.



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sam1528 replied at 11-11-2018 10:15 PM
Jgn harap lah sis

Itu saja cara dia nak konon nya lawan balik

Lastly lobai samdol @ lobai estate jadi gila kerana tidak boleh menerima fakta.
Baca habis posting #50 & #51 tu, itupun kalau lobai samdol @ lobai estate faham English
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Edited by sam1528 at 11-11-2018 10:48 PM
FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 10:24 PM
Hahaha lobai estate dah kantoi bodoh habisan..dah kantoi gila habisan tak boleh menerima fakta!{:1_5 ...

Ha ha ha ha ... lobai mat slow bagi biodata Ptolemy dgn harapan yg tersebut akan kata Ptolemy salah

Hang ni dah gila atau mabok todi atau dua2 sekali

LOL ... ko tau ka apa ke benda fakta?

Isu skg kalo kita pakai Ptolemy calculations , spt rujukkan ko konfom :
Among the names is Macoraba C Ptolemy spells it Makoraba in Greek, but Latin translations prefer Machoraba and Macoraba C which Ptolemy puts in the west of the Arabian Peninsula.There is a consensus in academic scholarship that Mecca is Macoraba. The coordinates put it roughly in the right place, and the name seems roughly correct. Several etymologies have been proposed, but the preferred solution is that it comes from an Old South Arabian word like *mikrb,with the meaning temple. Macoraba was therefore a noteworthy centre of pre-Islamic religion as far back as the second century CE. When you encounter Macoraba in scholarly literature you are quite likely to find this etymology, and extremely likely to find the identification with Mecca.

Lagi sekali ko kantoikan diri ko sendiri dgn rujukkan ko sendiri

Lepas tu ko cuba pulak kantoi kan rujukkan ko dgn pergi ke anti Islam site ... apa tu IslamAndTheTruth

Depa pulak dah kencing kat ko & ko togok kencing depa sampai 'eeeerrrrrkkk'

Ada pulak ambil maps of 2000 yrs differential & lepas tu klaim Ptolemy dah salah

Tengok aje the real scholars , depa gunakan apa Ptolemy guna & konfom Mecca = Macoraba

Too bad lah tambi ... ko dah malu. Skg ko hanya mampu teriak
tak boleh terima fakta ... tak boleh terima fakta ... tak boleh terima fakta

LOL ... bila tanya apa fakta yg ko dok teriak tu : ko sendiri tak tau

Bila pulak nak teriak bagai org gila :
ko bodoh ... ko bodoh ... ko bodoh

Oh yeah , biodata Ptolemy bukan bukti / rujukkan yg kononnya Macoraba bukan mekkah tau

Kah kah kah ... lobai mat slow v2 nak cover line pasal dah kantoi dimalukan dgn terhina sekali ... biasak lah

Mana bukti rujukkan ko tambi ... mana ...mana ...mana

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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 11-11-2018 10:58 PM
sam1528 replied at 11-11-2018 10:46 PM
Ha ha ha ha ... lobai mat slow bagi biodata Ptolemy dgn harapan yg tersebut akan kata Ptolemy sala ...

Lastly lobai samdol @ lobai estate jadi gila kerana tidak boleh menerima fakta.
Baca habis posting #50 & #51 tu, itupun kalau lobai samdol @ lobai estate faham English

Postings #50 #51 Ada gaya daripada sumber anti islam?  Samdol kau terlalu bodoh dan telah dibogelkan lagi!
Patutlah dia kata Mecca tu marcoba..rupanya dia silap latitude..tak pro dalam melingkari peta!

Samdol, sebelum 9CAD pun dah ada beberapa orang islam yang buat peta waktu tu..tetapi apasal dia orang tiada letak Mecca didalam likaran peta dia orang? Kalau kau ada otak tentu kau boleh fikir kan? Tetapi disebabkan kau terlalu bodoh maka kau tidak mampu untuk berfikir Kenapa orang islam yang buat peta pun tiada Mecca.

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Post time 11-11-2018 10:53 PM | Show all posts
Edited by sam1528 at 11-11-2018 10:58 PM
FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 10:46 PM
Lastly lobai samdol @ lobai estate jadi gila kerana tidak boleh menerima fakta.
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Ha ha ha ha ... lobai mat slow v2 masih dok teriak bagai org gila
tak boleh terima fakta ... tak boleh terima fakta ... tak boleh terima fakta

Fakta apa yg ko dok nak cakap ni?

Yg jelas adalah ko dikantoikan dgn rujukkan ko sendiri

Lepas tu ko cuba kantokan rujukkan ko dgn cara yg paling bangang sekali : overlaying of 2 maps with a 2000 yrs differential , lepas tu cuba klaim Ptolemy dah salah

Hang tak pakai otak ke ... copy bulat2 dari anti Islam sites

Skg ko dah terdesak sekali : bagi pulak biodata Ptolemy

Biodata dia tak akan kata dia salah dgn coordinates Macoraba ...

Kah kah kah ... lobai mat slow v2 dah tak tau apa nak cakap ... kesian


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Post time 11-11-2018 10:57 PM | Show all posts
FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 10:52 PM
Lastly lobai samdol @ lobai estate jadi gila kerana tidak boleh menerima fakta.{:1_563 ...

Ha ha ha ha ... lobai mat slow v2 dah tak tau apa nak cakap ttg fakta

Fakta apa yg ko nak cakap ni?

Biodata Ptolemy yg ko bagi tak kata dia salah ttg coordinates dia berkenaan Macoraba

Jadik apa fakta yg ko nak cakap ni pasal ko dok teriak bagai org gila :
tak boleh terima fakta ... tak boleh terima fakta ... tak boleh terima fakta
LOL .. ko sendiri tak tau kan

Kah kah kah ... lobai mat slow v2 dok main tikam2 pulak


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sam1528 replied at 11-11-2018 10:57 PM
Ha ha ha ha ... lobai mat slow v2 dah tak tau apa nak cakap ttg fakta

Fakta apa yg ko nak cakap ...

Lastly lobai samdol @ lobai estate jadi gila kerana tidak boleh menerima fakta.
Baca habis posting #50 & #51 tu, itupun kalau lobai samdol @ lobai estate faham English

Postings #50 #51 Ada gaya daripada sumber anti islam?  Samdol kau terlalu bodoh dan telah dibogelkan lagi!
Patutlah dia kata Mecca tu marcoba..rupanya dia silap latitude..tak pro dalam melingkari peta!

Samdol, sebelum 9CAD pun dah ada beberapa orang islam yang buat peta waktu tu..tetapi apasal dia orang tiada letak Mecca didalam likaran peta dia orang? Kalau kau ada otak tentu kau boleh fikir kan? Tetapi disebabkan kau terlalu bodoh maka kau tidak mampu untuk berfikir Kenapa orang islam yang buat peta pun tiada Mecca.
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Post time 11-11-2018 11:04 PM | Show all posts
FOTHERMUCKER2 replied at 11-11-2018 10:59 PM
Lastly lobai samdol @ lobai estate jadi gila kerana tidak boleh menerima fakta.{:1_563 ...

Ha ha ha ha ... lobai mat slow v2 bagi alasan yg paling bangang

Samdol, sebelum 9CAD pun dah ada beberapa orang islam yang buat peta waktu tu..tetapi apasal dia orang tiada letak Mecca didalam likaran peta dia orang? Kalau kau ada otak tentu kau boleh fikir kan? Tetapi disebabkan kau terlalu bodoh maka kau tidak mampu untuk berfikir Kenapa orang islam yang buat peta pun tiada Mecca.

LOL , kalo tak letak mecca dlm peta makna mekkah tak ada lah

Ok lah , cuba ko tunjuk peta tersebut & rujukkan ko .... ada berani ka tambi?

Modal ayak liuk boleh lah ... bile mintak bukti / rujukkan ... dah gelabah

Bagi pulak biodata Ptolemy dgn harapan yg biodata tersebut akan kata Ptolemy dah buat salah

Kah kah kah ... lobai mat slow v2 dah mabok todi kot


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Edited by FOTHERMUCKER2 at 11-11-2018 11:19 PM
sam1528 replied at 11-11-2018 11:04 PM
Ha ha ha ha ... lobai mat slow v2 bagi alasan yg paling bangang

Samdol sudah bertambah Bodoh taraf iq kanak kanak tadika,

Samdol
LOL , kalo tak letak mecca dlm peta makna mekkah tak ada lah


Kalau Mecca dah ada waktu tu dan Mecca adalah salah satu tempat yang amat penting apasal tiada didalam peta? sedangkan orang yang buat peta tu adalah orang islam?


Hahahaha... lobai estate sudah bertambah bodoh kerana nak memutarbelitkan fakta. Kejap lagi nanti jadi gila lah tu!
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 Author| Post time 11-11-2018 11:18 PM | Show all posts
Tak lama lagi nanti tred ni akan sisepam oleh lobai estate untuk menutup kemaluanya yang telah di bogelkan lagi
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