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To my Fellow Chinese Malaysians - By William Cheah
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DARSITA replied at 25-8-2019 01:27 AM
Ehh jangan main tak payah risau .. sikit sikit lelama jadi bukit. Tu anak anak si Vivi Yusuf 2 ...
Anak sedara aku semua pandai cakap cina dulu baru melayu, tak ada risau pun, dah besar pandai cakap melayu, pandai juga cakap english,
Kalau mental kau tak stabil, hidup dalam ketakutan, banyak kebimbangan, jangan samakan kau dengan aku, we malay know how to handle crisis,
Tak perlu persatuan nak tentang anak2 vivy dan anak2 melayu yang speak english, kami buat jawi ja, ahhahhaahahahah setel. |
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Lantak dia lah famili dia, ada famili kau macam tu ka, nak berforum benda penting biar bercakap dari pengalaman sendiri, famili sendiri, sedara dan kawan2 sendiri baru betul,
Takat cerita dari internet, suratkhabar, cerita dari kawan kepada kawan kepada kawan, cerita saya dengar, cerita saya tahu dari majalah, cerita dulu2, cerita dari radio ada baik kau masuk thread gosip aja lah, apooooooo
Ler pelek lah ko ni - ko tanya kenapa cina tak bagi anak kawin dgn Melayu tapi dgn India okay. So aii bagi ler jawapan sebab pertukaran ugama. Sebab ada cina yang masih kuat pegangan mereka contoh tak suka family name terhapus dan ganti dgn Abdullah. Faham?
Pastu ko pulak bawa alasan "Soal agama tu, hak masing2 lah kau nak marah orang join agama lain pasal apa, dia punya hal lah, hak dia"
So aii ckp lah "Macam anak Melayu tetiba nak masuk hindu sebab nak kawin hang ingat mak ayah dia orang akan fikir ke hak kebebasan memilih ugama lain?"
Duhh tak main ler cerita internet suratkabar bagai kak 
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Anak sedara aku semua pandai cakap cina dulu baru melayu, tak ada risau pun, dah besar pandai cakap melayu, pandai juga cakap english,
Kalau mental kau tak stabil, hidup dalam ketakutan, banyak kebimbangan, jangan samakan kau dengan aku, we malay know how to handle crisis,
Tak perlu persatuan nak tentang anak2 vivy dan anak2 melayu yang speak english, kami buat jawi ja, ahhahhaahahahah setel.
Cuba berlapang dada dlm berbincang boleh?
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DARSITA replied at 25-8-2019 01:46 AM
Ler apa hang merepek ni? we malay? pastu jawi? lolll tetiba ler pulak nak bergetangan bwa isu Mela ...
Kau kan cakap pasal anak vivy yusof cakap full english bukan main bimbang kau dia tak pandai cakap melayu,
Kami melayu tak bimbang pun, melayu ckp english ka, india jadi lawyer ka, cina jadi billionaire ka, kami tak akan tubuh persatuan melahar orang mcm yang cina & india buat,
Sebab kami tuan tanah, pen kami pegang, mana ada masalah akan diselesaikan dengan undang/peraturan baru, suka kami nak tulis apa, buat apa, suka tak suka semua kena ikut,
Yang kau beria takut budak melayu cakap full inggeris dah kenapa, kalau dah semua melayu cakap inggeris, baguslah buatlah macam singapura, semua cakap english, yang penting urusan kerajaan, urusan rasmi dan bahasa raja2 masih melayu dan melayu kat rumah boleh cakap melayu, hak istimewa melayu masih ada, apa yang susah, apa yang nak ditakutkan, setakat bahasa, besok2 bom nuklear meletop mati semua, sebuk dgn bahasa, hidup ketakutan macam bodoh ja.
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Tak bimbang ke hulu tak hairan ke hilir lepas itu gelepor orang cina tak reti BM? Jejas ke ketuanan Melayu kalau cina tak fasih BM? Hina ke ketuanan Melayu kalau cina ada persatuan utk digunakan pakai menyuarakan ketidakpuasan hati kaum mereka?
Malas ckp banyak - baca perlembangan. WARGANEGARA ada hak samarata TANPA mengira BANGSA.
Apalah gah jadi tuan tanah kalau ekonomi pun "tetamu" yang pegang.
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To reply on your reply,
1) Hey, i thought we were having a discussion on the marriage topic? How would this became ancestry issue?
Insecurity happens to all of us, not just the chinese. Everyone would eventually find a way to deal with insecurities, it differs from person to person, irregardless to race. If you wanna bring in some old ancestor beliefs, I hope you can give me some few examples, else such generalising questions can easily lead to more misunderstandings.
2) Old generation? Wow, what a way to generalize things. My old generation taught me at not to be greedy, don't be impulsive, be polite to others. Yes, I do agree that there are lots of rich chinese, but, you can't just assume all of chinese are super rich like them. I am not sure which generation you are mentioning, but try to be specific, okay?
For your perception that "they teach you ask more and more", who doesn't? If you look at these issues as a whole, you would find that it is not just us chinese who are doing so even without anyone teaching. If you want to coin it in a good way, it is called "motivation" and "greed" in the bad side.
3) I don't quite get what you are trying to elaborate here. There are no old man mission as far as I know of, and we were taught to think by logical reasoning.
And the last sentence you are mentioning, those are history and forged in constitution. So far, at least my family and most of the people I know of do not consider it as a burden.
But still, I hope you can clarify what you want to state here, your focus is not streamlined, so I am having a hard time to understand your point of view.
4) I am sorry that you had those bad experience, but once again, not all are like that girl you have met. If you want me to comment on that girl, I would say, "Girl, you should be grateful for others' goodwill that were shown to you."
Any how thanks for replying, this helped me somehow in understanding your opinion. I have always understood that you are in special shoes, which sometimes can be squeaky hard to perceive issues from the other angles.
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Itzy replied at 24-8-2019 09:14 AM
Lantak la tak kenal bangsa ke apa yang penting kita beragama islam. Persaudaraan islam itu pentjng ...
Sembahyang Pon Tak cukup 5 Waktu nak acah2 saudara seIslam entah2 penonggang Agama  |
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Sorry tak reply mana2 komen dalam nih lagi, nak pergi benang lain, memang tak lah nak stay sini lama2, nama pun tuan tanah yang berdaulat, apa lagi nak lah jalan pusing tengok negeri2 |
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Post time 25-8-2019 07:18 AM
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WHAT I THINK OF ZAKIR NAIK
By Wong Jae Senn
Let's start with what he was alleged to have said that triggered a deluge of anger:
1. Indians in Malaysia are more loyal to PM Modi than they are to this country
2. Chinese, the "old guests", should be sent back to China
Now, let's see what he actually said:
"..so much so that they support the prime minister of India but not the prime minister of Malaysia, mashallah. The prime minister of India wants me. The prime minister of Malaysia does not want injustice to be done to me. The Hindu Malaysians are, most of them supporting prime minister of India."
Okay, so here we see the context. He meant "supporting the prime minister of India" as in, they want Zakir Naik to be deported back to India, to be arrested and jailed. He meant that the Hindu Malaysians do not agree with Tun Mahathir in wanting to keep Zakir Naik in Malaysia, away from certain persecution that he would face in India.
So, it turns out, what he said had nothing to do with loyalty to any head of government.
Let's continue to what was actually said regarding the second statement:
"..and later on, more there were people coming, afterwards, Malaysia. They became fully Muslims. Then you had the Chinese coming, the Indians coming and the Britishers (sic) coming. They're our new guests. You know, somebody called me a guest. So I said before me, the Chinese are the guests. They aren't born here. If you want the new guests to go, first ask the old guests to go back. The Chinese, never born here, most of them, but maybe the new generation, yes.
If you want the guests to go back, and those guests which are bringing peace in the community, they are benefits for the family.. which sword? (Referring back to an earlier part of his speech)"
Okay, lets unpack this. When he first mentioned about the Chinese being guests, it was in the context of the British colonial period. You can see his statement as either inaccurate, or a convoluted way of saying it, but basically what he said is that most of the Chinese in Malaysia, at that time, during the British era, were not born here. But the newer generation today are. You can see that he was a bit uncertain about his own understanding of our colonial era and immigration history. So, yes, he should have been a bit more careful with this part of his speech.
In the parts where the controversial "go back" statement came from, "if you want the new guests to go, first ask the old guests to go back", this is a bit out of line although we can see that the context is that the new guests should be welcomed as much as the old guests. And we can see again, in his next sentence, the context is basically "Do you want to chase away your new guests, such as those who are beneficial to society?". So when taken as a whole, it seems to be a not-so-articulate way of saying "New guests should be just as welcomed as the old guests, especially those who are beneficial to the country/society".
Zakir Naik made a name for himself as a very combative and aggressive comparative religion debater. I'm not surprised that at times, his sentences end up being unpolished, and his actual meaning doesn't get delivered effectively. Some will say that he spread hatred, some will say that he belittles other religions, some will say that he supports terrorism. To be fair, these are all just subjective points of view. Many people (mostly Muslims) view him as a great scholar, while many others (unsurprisingly, mostly non-Muslims) view him as a divisive hate-monger. Without a doubt, Zakir Naik is a polarizing figure, mainly because of the trade in which he plies - comparative religion debates and preaching. When you compare him with similar people of other faiths, such as similarly-combative Hindu and Christian apologetics and debaters, you will find that these people of different religions are, just like Zakir Naik, very polarizing as well.
I have not watched all of Zakir Naik's videos on YouTube, but I've watched some. It's easy to understand why he draws such scorn. He is aggressive and most of all, highly confident, when he engages others in debates. He is confident even when he is mistaken. Does he belittle others? Well, when it comes to religious debates where you end up questioning others' beliefs, how does that not come across as belittling others? So, again, this is a highly subjective point, but I can see how that impression can arise. Does he make mistakes? Yes, of course he does. No normal human being has absolutely photographic memory that never errs. And not everyone who has a broad spectrum of information and knowledge are able to recall and correlate all of them without any mistakes. Even Ustaz Auni Mohamad, whose videos I find very entertaining and informative, makes some mistakes from time to time (mainly just spelling mistakes or slightly wrong names) despite his incredible ability to recall information.
Speak of Auni Mohamad, he became well-known for his analogy of Ultraman and Syiah theology. That was a creative analogy that made his points easier to remember and understand. But what happened? People ridiculed him and said that he claimed Ultraman was Syiah, when his actual lecture made absolutely no such claims. Auni Mohamad was an unfortunate victim of his words being taken out of context, and his analogies and anecdotes being taken as literal accounts. But, unlike Zakir Naik, Auni Mohamad is not an aggressive and combative chap, and to my knowledge he's not a debater and he hasn't offended anyone. Therefore there's no angry mob constantly watching every word he says, waiting for the chance to pounce upon a few words or sentences that can be seen as offensive. Zakir Naik, unfortunately, does not have this luxury, and he's a big easy target for others to pounce upon.
Here's something about Zakir Naik's presence in Malaysia. When was the last time Malaysia had open inter-religion debates? I don't recall if we've ever had. When was the last time Malaysia ever had any no-holds-barred inter-religion debates, then? Never. But, it's this type of no-holds-barred religious talks and inter-religion debates that Zakir Naik excels in. He has carved a reputation for himself in this no-holds-barred arena. I believe it's this reputation of his that has made many Malaysians extremely uncomfortable with his presence in this country, because to us, aggressive debates about religion is a no-go zone. So, even before he made these statements that made the headlines, knives were already out for him. Many people were already expecting him to be trouble even before he's made any public speeches. In the various Zakir Naik videos that I've watched, I've never seen him advocating violence even once. I've never heard him running down other races because his goal is to bring people of all races to Islam. He seems to believe strongly in the universality of Islam and how it should reach all races. So, from my current observation, I don't see his link with radicalism and terrorism just yet. I don't think an aggressive debating style qualifies as radicalism.
(On a related note - I don't speak for everyone and my point of view is definitely not representative of everyone's. We all have different thresholds for offense and outrage.)
Another thing about his presence in Malaysia. Zakir Naik is famous for being an Islamic proselytizer. How often do we run into Muslim proselytizers in Malaysia? When was the last time you saw Muslims in street corners handing out leaflets and inviting non-Muslims to the mosque, or inviting non-Muslims to a khutbah? Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses have had the freedom to proselytize (to non-Muslims) for as long as I remember and yet, for a Muslim-majority country, we hardly see any Muslim proselytizing in our streets and neighborhoods, or on our mass media. The exception would be the Syiah proselytizers who were openly handing out leaflets about Syiah Islam at Bukit Bintang last year. Against this backdrop, Zakir Naik being here is a sudden disruptive force. Here's one of the most famous Islamic proselytizers in the world, and he will be having public talks in a way that has never been seen in this country. Consequently, many people started to have a sense of unease because this isn't something that we're used to seeing.
He is controversial. He is disruptive. He is polarizing. But he is also knowledgeable about his religion. He is also motivating and inspiring to many. Some people love him, some people hate him, and we can't change the way things are. This is why freedom of speech is important. Although Zakir Naik might offend some people, although he might say the wrong things, but I believe that he should just have his mistakes and errors pointed out and corrected. Just because we don't like or don't agree with what he says, that doesn't necessarily make what comes out of his mouth "hate speech".
As controversial as what he says may be, I support freedom of speech for Zakir Naik.
Banning him from public speaking is an unnecessary move. That's just nothing but censorship. Censorship kills ideas. It kills debates. It kills the exchange and flow of information. More seriously, it prevents the correction of erroneous beliefs and wrong data. Censorship and the taking away of someone's right to speak in public will not solve any issue that has arisen from Zakir Naik's speech. Instead, it might cause the growth of negative ideas that spawn from resentment among those who support Zakir Naik. There's also the futility of it. You may ban him from speaking publicly, and yet thousands of his similar speeches are immortalized on the Internet, accessible round the clock, delivering the same messages. It would be far better to allow Zakir Naik to continue public speaking, but sharing the stage with others, so that there's an exchange of ideas and his exuberance will not go out of hand.
Threats of sending him back to India are also unwise. We know that he will face persecution if he's ever deported back to India. It's the same as sending him to a certain death. We can already see the Indian news media having a field day running him down over his gaffes in Malaysia. I'm pretty sure groups like the RSS and Shiv Sena would like to have his head on a pike. Zakir Naik has already apologized for the misunderstanding that he had caused. He's already been reminded not to say anything about our politics and race relations. He should be given a second chance and allowed to be a productive PR, doing what he does best as an Islamic preacher.
There will be things that he says that will not sit well with some people. There will be thoughts and ideas that he puts forth that some will find aggressive and offensive. But, these same words, thoughts and ideas will also be of value to others who have a different point of view. If there's an outraged minority but a pleased majority, do we put the minorities first at the expense of the majority? Or, if it's the majority that is outraged and there's a supportive minority, does it mean the majority opinion should silence the minority opinion? To avoid such sticky questions, this is why I believe that there should be no censorship and no curtailing of free speech, regardless of how we feel about it. As long as it's not a unanimous outrage over definite hate speech, it is unwise to revoke a person's right to speak.
If he says some incorrect things about our social and political situation, or if he clearly incites violence in his speech, then our law enforcement agencies can take action against him. Until then, I think we should let him go and allow him to speak freely.
At some point in my life, there will definitely be a moment in which I will accidentally offend others with some inaccurate or inflammatory statement. At such a time, I would definitely like to be able to apologize and be given a second chance, and be more mindful of my words. Because I would like to be given such an opportunity if I've ever committed such a mistake, I feel it's appropriate for me to extend this courtesy to Zakir Naik as well, although I'm neither his supporter nor detractor.
If we don't support others' right to speak and right to harbor a different opinion, that would mean we ourselves do not deserve such right to speak and right to different (and conflicting) opinions. Supporting free speech does not mean supporting only what we like to hear.
Whether it's a popular or unpopular opinion, my take is that Zakir Naik should have his freedoms, he should be given a second chance, and he should not be barred from public speaking. If he squanders this second chance, then the authorities may take action.
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Wong Jae Senn is a political analyst in Malaysia while his day job brings him into contact with the international telecommunications industry.
Note: The views expressed in this post are that of the writer's and do not necessarily reflect the stand of BeNAR Malaysia. |
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MenteriWanita replied at 25-8-2019 12:20 AM
Kalau hidup cina kita boleh tentukan, aku nak cina kat Malaysia :
1) Jangan makan babi - tak se ...
Singapork nak plk dia ikut.. org mulayu terlalu baik..leceh |
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haha kamu punya points lebih kurang sama macam apa yang bff cina saya cakap jawapan yang neutral dan tak bias.
Tapi satu benda yang saya nampak, awak cakap awak teringin nak belajar bahasa Rusia kan. Apa kata awak pupuk perasaan yang sama untuk mendalami bahasa Malaysia yakni bahasa ibunda negara awak. Sebenarnya BM tak susah pun, cuma saya faham lah kenapa sebutan orang cina agak pelat sikit bila sebut dalam BM, sebab mandarin ada 4 tone dan pinyin (ke panggil apa i lupa) dia yang po po mo fo tu kan kena ada pelat2 sebutannya. Huruf B jadi P. Tapi saya doakan awak boleh improve BM dari hari ke hari. Kawan2 cina saya pon ok je sebab selalu praktis dan berasosiasi dengan kengkawan Melayu. Saya sendiri pon boleh gigih pergi daftar kelas mandarin untuk belajar, awak pon mesti boleh bukan? Jia you!
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Hi hyie,
Terima kasih atas pujian anda. 
Bahasa Rusia hanyalah salah satu example yang saya gunakan di sini. Tetapi hati saya untuk membaiki BM saya memanglah ikhlas. Saya mampu baca dan tulis BM hingga tahap tertentu, tetapi bukanlah tahap professional yang saya berpuas hati. Jadilah, saya pun kerap guna BI lebih daripada BM.
Yang apa kamu fahami memang betul, pinyin mandarin adalah salah satu faktor yang menyebabkan aksen dalam sebutan BM kami. Kadang kala kes-kes macam ini boleh berlaku dan susah nak menyembunyikan aksen ini.
Walaubagaimanapun, terima kasih kerana memberikan sokongan, saya akan cuba dengan lebih rajin lagi untuk meninggikan tahap BM saya.
Kamu pun teruskan berusaha juga ya!
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underground replied at 23-8-2019 06:31 PM
kejiranan aku ramai chinese. jiran depan memang ngam, baik hati.
yg baik2 ni, anak2 dia aku tengo ...
I dulu masa i memula meniaga ada la issue resit guna resit kedaj buku tu. masa tu i tgh deal dengan satu cina nj.perempuan. tau apa dia buat? depan mata i dia keronyok resit tu dia bakulsampahkan. dia suruh i balik buat balik semula....i like WTF..
bagi i cina kalau tegur org tak reti tegur belakang2 dia tegur depan2. best part is cina yg tegur i tu mmg ada chattered akaun firm sendiri. so bila dia bakul sampahkan tu ada hak la. |
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BoLaKu replied at 25-8-2019 11:41 AM
Hi hyie,
Terima kasih atas pujian anda.
BM awak lebih bagus dari Melayu.
Tengok la Melayu punya penulisan dalam ni..penuh dengan shortform dan bahasa2 pasar.
Bukan bahasa Malaysia Standard.
Ada hati pula nak ajar orang lain pula kan |
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R2D2 replied at 24-8-2019 10:53 AM
cina ada 2 kelompok dari pandangan aku
1- kelompok pertama yg sekolah cina, ckp cina bergaul dgn ke ...
Xde maknanye sis kelompok kedua tu less care psal komuniti cina..cina is always been a cina..kiasu, selfish, heartless even among themselves..ive been there ng kelompok ke2..duk overseas duk mgutuk malaysia is a racist and extrimist country..tp bila tiba2 kwan2 melayu tegur kt fb/ig dan dan delete komen tu. Can u see camne pndang hinanya dorg kt malaysua and malays? Sometimes kami komuniti melayu ada jgk tya dorg why not just migrate to mainland since korg really love ur tradtitions and ancestors, mati2 xnak sbb tau how oppresive the chinese are..duk ng malays xreti bsyukur..mmg laknat |
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saya ada berbual dengan tauke kedai gambar dan beliau bercerita mengenai persekolahan anak-anaknya:-
1. dua orang anak-anaknya bersekolah di sekolah menengah swasta cina dan akhirnya terpaksa melanjutkan pelajaran ke taiwan.
2. seorang anaknya bersekolah di sekolah menengah kebangsaan dan sekarang melanjutkan pelajaran ke USM.
dia memberitahu saya duit tak cukup kerana anak-anaknya belajar ke luar negara dengan ekonomi sekarang ini.
saya beritahu dia takapa lah tauke itu pilihan sendiri sedangkan boleh aje hantar anak ke sekolah kebangsaan, |
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Kalau berniaga kena masuk persatuan perniaga cina kalau tak kau bakalan dipalau, itu ja cara nak terus berniaga, siapa suka kena tiaw,
sebab tu takde pinjaman TEKUN pun , bisnes org cina terus meningkat maju..
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MenteriWanita replied at 24-8-2019 04:43 AM
My mom chinese & my father malay, my mom won't allowed us to go to chinese school, we can't speak ...
Parent aku pun Cina +Melayu. Tapi belah atuk ayah aku keturunan bugis+baba nyonya. Aku tgk yg keturunan baba nyonya ni kurang disisihkan. Tapi yang dh masuk Islam, lagi yg tukar nama ada arab melayu sket, memang beza sikit lah layanan.
Lagi pulak yg pakai tudung pergi interview kerja. Kt Malaysia ni sentimen masuk Islam=masuk Melayu tu dah jadi biasa. Jgn harap la gaji sama rate dgn Cina kalau agama tu tulis Islam.
Tetiba teringat kawan aku China komunis tegar. Dtg UK pun bawa cenderahati gambar president China. Kalau hensem takpe jugak..
Orang Cina Malaysia sibuk nk mother tongue sgt kenapa? Kalau dh berketurunan sini, haruslah mother tongue nenek moyang korang itu bahasa Melayu. Paling tak, mcm baba nyonya. Terlalu lama sangat in denial. Cukup2 lah memandang ke China. |
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bezita60 replied at 2-9-2019 09:27 PM
Parent aku pun Cina +Melayu. Tapi belah atuk ayah aku keturunan bugis+baba nyonya. Aku tgk yg ketu ...
China pun tak nak dia, siapa ni orang2 sepet ni, pagi2 dah makan nasi lemak dengan teh tarik, hahahahaah |
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Post time 25-8-2019 01:34 AM
