Ivermectin: PPIM buat laporan polis terhadap KKM

Purina

budaktua replied at 23-6-2021 10:13 PM
aku bimbang sat lg PPKM (persatuan penggunaan Ketum Msia) pun akan buat repot jugak againts KKM...
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Haha..pening KKM nk kluarkan perisai..kene serang kiri kanan..atas bawah lak dr rakyat jelata ..

rainbowrainz

Iols senyummmmm ajeee

noor2

cupu replied at 23-6-2021 06:36 PM
Sheol stage 2...dh org dok share pasal ni dia beli la sementelah dia kena covic..aku dh bgtau dia  ...

Ohhhhh kisahnya...tq info cik cupu.... harap adik tu sihat lepas cuba ivermectin....kalau dia ok..akak pun nk buat stock ivermectin...nak beli....so tolong update kesihatan adik kat sini ya.
.moga dia cepat sembuh...amin

CatMiow

cupu replied at 23-6-2021 05:34 PM
Adik aku kena covic ni.kuarantin dkt rmh.beli ivermectin dkt farmasi rm120. Jd ke tak.xtau la.

Mahalnya rm120.

Apesal tak g hospital,  tanya kalau ada ikut program ujian klinikal ivermectin, bagi tau nak ikut jadi volunteer.

Tapi mesti makan ivermectin la, bukan ubat2 lain.

CatMiow

budaktua replied at 23-6-2021 10:13 PM
aku bimbang sat lg PPKM (persatuan penggunaan Ketum Msia) pun akan buat repot jugak againts KKM...
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Yg ni betul.  Kalau baca komen kat YT tu video pasal ketum. Banyak nye hai penyokong ketum.

CatMiow

aint replied at 23-6-2021 10:58 PM
mungkin juga kabar angin.. tp dr apa yg iols baca, effect negative ivermectin yg kena kat bbrp pes ...

Tak pernah baca ni,  tapi kat YT bnyak dr kupas berpunca dari pengambilan steroid oleh pesakit kecing manis,  dan juga keadaan hospital yang agak tercemar pada masa tu.

CatMiow

ellejo replied at 23-6-2021 11:48 PM
maksud cite2 scaremongering tu maknanya socmed post dan hebahan media yg tend to cite org yg mati  ...

Betul tu,  ramai yg fokus pada kematian sedangkan yg survive pun ada juga.  

Bila cakap pasal pesakit sembuh,  dorng pusing pula,  yg tak de apa2 duduk kat wad tahu2 boleh balik pun kena cakap ada covid. Kes ni menyebabkan mereka tak percaya kovid, jadi pada kawan suami. Masa ni mco 1.0 lepas boarder negeri2 kena buka balik.

CatMiow

cupu replied at 23-6-2021 06:24 PM
Adik sakit2 badan,batuk..pastu bdk opis dia la yg ckp kenal dgn org farmasi dan org tu suggest bel ...

Chuols,  lemon tu kan vit c,  ia akan boost up antibodi untuk lawan virus.

Harap adik awak dapat dos yg sesuai dengan badan dia supaya  tak de complications makan ubat ni kemudian hari.  Kita minta dijauhkan ye,  jika ada komplikasi,  minta la dia terus terang dgn dr apa2 dia ambil masa kuarantin. Mana la tau dos betul,  tapi benda2 lain dia makan tak sesuai dengan ubat tu.

Apa yang saya faham keberkesanan ivermectin ni mulanya dijumpai masa ujian makmal,  dorng masukkan virusb tu dalam tube,  dan masukan ivermectin. Mereka nampak kesan positive. Masalahnya dos ivermectin tu tinggi sangat2 over dri yg disarankan oleh FDA.  

boleh check video dr Mala pasal ni.  Dr2 oversea pun ada juga,  tapi saya payah nak faham sebab kadang2 bahasanya bukan layman sangat. Dr mala tu saya snng faham sebab dia terang bgi peumpamaan yg mudah.

CatMiow

LadyCarefree replied at 23-6-2021 08:43 PM
What do u expect la dari mereka ni? Asyik menyusahkan dan merumitkan isu saja. Pi la dendiam musna ...

PPIM ni ketinggalan zaman ke apa,  bukan ke KKM nak strt buat ujian klinikal ivermectin. Ke saya tak faham maksud artikel ni?

mbhcsf

CatMiow replied at 24-6-2021 07:20 AM
PPIM ni ketinggalan zaman ke apa,  bukan ke KKM nak strt buat ujian klinikal ivermectin. Ke saya t ...

memang pun,  tengah start kalau u rujuk Cochrane Library tu pun , penilaian bukti bari dalam trial, hanya satu study yg buat meta analyis , i will rujuk Cochrane database , selagi tak ada informed and cocrete evidence secara empirical tentang effectiveness ubat ni - then susahlah nak menang kalau sapa sapa nk saman ke ape ke, so biarlah KKM buat ujian klinikal dulu.
so pada i , daripada DG Hisham dok pikiaq nak tangani isu isu PPIM ni baik dia tanganai isu yg lebih kritikal yakni macam mana nak kurangkan kes and , nak balance yg helathcare system kita masih boleh cope dengan kes kes yg mendatang.

benda ni medico legal team boleh handle. biasalah  turunnaik mahkamah medicalstaff member yg level consultant ni biasa dah turun naik mahkamah.

sebenarnya benda ni tak perlu pun dijadikan isu , atau diwujudkan isu , pihakPPIM pada kali ni tak membantu pun.  

mbhcsf

sapa nak baca tentang Ivermectin trials etc

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/ ... 51858.CD015017/full

cochrane library.

kat sini dia summarise apa yg berlaku , bubuh isu dalam konteks.

bila faham , kita tak  cepat melatah and terikut dakyah.

mbhcsf

borrow replied at 23-6-2021 10:36 PM
selalunya trial camni berapa lama ek?

wallahuallam.
soalan ni bagus nak jawab i  tak tahu melainkan org yg buat proposla tu yg tahu  sebab ia bergantung pada

jenis patients dan kriteriapatients yg depa nak tumpukan sebagai subjekkajian and
apa yg depa nak sukat atau ukur untuk mewakili apa yg dikatakan effectiveness tu ( outcome measures ) dan ini juga bergantung pada
stages apa patients nyer condition tu dan berapa lama...dan kat mana depa tetapkan kriteria nak mesure keberkesanan ubat tu dan dari apek mana

inilah ni ...


i think u can grasp more by reading this - the whole context.

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/ ... 51858.CD015017/full


Timing of outcome measurement

We expect that included studies will measure several outcomes – including clinical status, SARS‐CoV‐2 infection, and adverse events – at different time points. For inpatient setting outcomes, the main time point of interest will be 28 days after randomization. For outpatient setting and prevention trials outcomes, the main time point of interest will be 14 days after randomization, with the exception of mortality (28 days). If only a few studies have contributed data to an outcome, we will pool different time points, provided the studies have produced valid data and pooling is clinically reasonable. If sufficient data are available, we will group the measurement time points of eligible outcomes into those measured directly after treatment (up to 7 days), medium‐term outcomes (up to 14 days), and longer‐term outcomes (28 days or more).

Secondary outcomesIvermectin for treating COVID‐19 in the inpatient setting

• Serious adverse events, defined as number of participants with at least one event within 28 days.
• Quality of life assessed with the standardized scale, WHOQOL‐100, up to 28 days (WHO 2012).
• Admission to intensive care unit (ICU).
• Duration of hospitalization.
• Viral clearance, assessed with reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT‐PCR) test for SARS‐CoV‐2 at baseline, and at 3, 7, and 14 days.
  
  

Ivermectin for treating COVID‐19 in the outpatient setting

• Serious adverse events, defined as number of participants with at least one event within 14 days.
• Quality of life assessed with the standardized scale, WHOQOL‐100, up to 28 days (WHO 2012).
• Viral clearance, assessed with reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT‐PCR) test for SARS‐CoV‐2 at baseline, and at 3, 7, and 14 days.
  
  

Ivermectin for preventing SARS‐CoV‐2 infection

• All‐cause mortality up to 28 days.
• Admission to hospital.
• Quality of life assessed with the standardized scale, WHOQOL‐100, up to 28 days (WHO 2012).
  
  

Timing of outcome measurement

We expect that included studies will measure several outcomes – including serious adverse events, quality of life, and viral clearance – at different time points. We will analyse different time points for viral clearance separately due to the dynamic course of the viral load. For other inpatient setting outcomes, the main time point of interest will be 28 days after randomization. For other outpatient setting and prevention trials outcomes, the main time point of interest will be 14 days after randomization, with the exception of mortality (28 days). If only a few studies have contributed data to an outcome, we will pool different time points, as long as the studies have produced valid data and pooling is clinically reasonable. If sufficient data are available, we will group the measurement time points of eligible outcomes into those measured directly after treatment (up to 7 days), medium‐term outcomes (up to 14 days) and longer‐term outcomes (28 days or more).

Search methods for identification of studiesElectronic searches

The Information Specialist (MIM) will conduct systematic searches of the following sources and will not place restrictions on the language of publication.

• Cochrane COVID‐19 Study Register (CCSR) (www.covid-19.cochrane.org), comprising:
  • Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL), monthly updates;
  • MEDLINE (PubMed), daily updates;
  • Embase, weekly updates;
  • ClinicalTrials.gov (www.clinicaltrials.gov), daily updates;
  • World Health Organization International Clinical Trials Registry Platform (ICTRP) (www.who.int/trialsearch), weekly updates; and
  • medRxiv (www.medrxiv.org), weekly updates.
    
    
  
  

Simunggu

Firenzza replied at 23-6-2021 05:30 PM
Tu la pasal, G7 leaders blh kumpul salam peluk cium mcm xde apa2 yg berlaku, epl pun dh meriah sta ...

mustahil org bijak pandai pembesar kita tiada kawan pembesar di luar negara yg mereka boleh tanya...mesti dah ada info yg mereka sudah share...harap WHO & FDA memang mereputlah

CatMiow

mbhcsf replied at 24-6-2021 07:28 AM
memang pun,  tengah start kalau u rujuk Cochrane Library tu pun , penilaian bukti bari dalam trial ...

Tq mod,  saya percaya kkm akan fokus pada yg utama dulu.

ultra78

CatMiow replied at 24-6-2021 06:49 AM
Mahalnya rm120.

Apesal tak g hospital,  tanya kalau ada ikut program ujian klinikal ivermectin, ...

Barang mahal lagi bagus daripada barang free..tak gitu?

cupu

CatMiow replied at 24-6-2021 06:49 AM
Mahalnya rm120.

Apesal tak g hospital,  tanya kalau ada ikut program ujian klinikal ivermectin, ...

dh pergi hosp u...semua refer kkm sbb babitkan anaK dia 3org jgk.yg 7,4 thn positif.amazing plk anak bongdu dia 4bln negatif . Aku dh wasup dia tya pasal cr dia amik ivermectin ni. Dia ckp xde la bgantung sepenuhnya pada ubat ni. Sbb dia cb semua. Yg tradisional org suh tumbuk cengkih minum air dia pun buat.ikhtiar je semua.

cupu

noor2 replied at 24-6-2021 06:08 AM
Ohhhhh kisahnya...tq info cik cupu.... harap adik tu sihat lepas cuba ivermectin....kalau dia ok.. ...

Aamin insyaAllah. Tp noor,i lg yakin dengan cengkih. So far adik lelaki kena.wife dia xkena sbb dia ckp dia selalu kunyah cengkih. Adik ipar ppuan ni buat biz home spa. So,dia mmg extra care pasal sop dan herbs ni. Dia selalu ckp cengkih ada rs kebas2 dan blh naikkan antibodi. One more dia amal habbatus sauda.

cupu

aireen24 replied at 24-6-2021 01:08 AM
Refer kt pharmacist ke?

Ofismate yg keje dgn dia tu offer utk belikan. Ada saudara dia yg keje farmasi suggest ivermectin ni.

noor2

cupu replied at 24-6-2021 08:46 AM
Aamin insyaAllah. Tp noor,i lg yakin dengan cengkih. So far adik lelaki kena.wife dia xkena sbb di ...

Oh...ye ke...amalkan benda2 ni x rugi pun....banyak khasiatnya kut...

grouper

Tempahan vaksin utk cover satu Malaysia dh buat baru kkm amik peduli ubat lain..nak percaya atau tidak konspirasi big pharma,who n pihak2 berkepentingan di balik tabir mmg ada...