Convert dari petrol ke NGV

Boleh tak kalu kita nk convert kete dari guna petrol ke NGV? Agak2 bape kos? lagi satu kete mcmana yg sesuai guna ngv ni?
ye la... since harga petrol semakin dok naik, jimat sket kalu leh pakai NGV je (dgrnye rm7 leh pegi smpi 200km).... lagipun kalu tak silap roadtax pun lagi murah :stp:

[ Last edited by alfatihah on 14-10-2004 at 04:34 PM ]

dashday

bagus jugak soalan ini,tapi dengar cerita kos dia mengikut cc kereta tuh ,kena standby 4-5 ribu jugak, pasal nak install regulator tuh,lepas itu kedua-dua boleh guna petrol dan ngv(natural gas for vehicle).


sesapae yang tahu any one?

[ Last edited by dashday on 14-10-2004 at 04:57 PM ]

apex

ye ke...kalo ada kelebihan mesti dah ramai yang buat...
ituhari aku naik teksi, driver teksi tu cerita la..sebenarnye sama je...
pakai NGV ni maintenance dia tinggi...time service tau le akibatnye...
silap2 enjin tak tahan lama...nak buat dah le mahal...aku pun lupa dia sebut berape tah...kalo teksi sendiri drebar tu cakap tak ramai yang pakai NGV ni...
ada pro dan kontra dia..tapi kalau dikira balik semua aspek sebenarnye sama je...
lebih kurang cam tu la dia story kat aku...

EdisiSesat@Cari

:bgrin: boleh ler joint drebar teksi beratur isik NGV... luar KL.. susah nak carik petrol station yang ada pump NGV

dashday

stesen NGV tak banyak kat sini,kena q laa jawabnyer,tapi pembakaran dia bersih(clean combustion),lagi satu buat spare kalau da emergency boleh switch ke NGV.


Anybody?

dashday

Nampaknyer kena mintak Gas Malaysia tambahkan pipeline NG ke merata tempat dimalaysia,baru boleh buat banyak sikit stesen NGV:ah:

Originally posted by EdisiSesat@Cari at 14-10-2004 04:59 PM:
:bgrin: boleh ler joint drebar teksi beratur isik NGV... luar KL.. susah nak carik petrol station yang ada pump NGV

kalu guna bi-fuel system, tmpt takde pump ngv kena le switch to petrol :bgrin:

Tax Exemption To Encourage The Use Of Natural Gas For Vehicles (NGV)

To encourage the use of natural gas for vehicles (NGV) the following indirect tax incentives are given:
(a) the retail price of NGV has been fixed at half the retail price of petrol, determined through the automatic price mechanism for petroleum products;
(b) import duty exemption on equipment for the conversion of petrol/diesel vehicles to NGV;
(c) import duty and sales tax exemption for the conversion of vehicles to use natural gas.
This exemption is given to local vehicle assemblers/manufacturers;
(d) a 50% reduction in road tax from the prevailing rates for monogas vehicles (solely powered by gas);
(e) a 25% reduction in road tax from the prevailing rates for bi-fuel vehicles (petrol vehicles modified to use NGV); and
(f) a 25% reduction of road tax from the prevailing rates for dual-fuel vehicles (diesel vehicles modified to use NGV).

Originally posted by apex at 14-10-2004 04:54 PM:
ye ke...kalo ada kelebihan mesti dah ramai yang buat...
ituhari aku naik teksi, driver teksi tu cerita la..sebenarnye sama je...
pakai NGV ni maintenance dia tinggi...time service tau le akibatny ...

knape maintenance dia tinggi?:stp:

EdisiSesat@Cari

NGV ... What is it?   

Wednesday, February 11, 2004  By Autoworld

What is natural gas?
Natural gas is a mixture of hydrocarbons found in the ground independently or together with crude oil. Its composition varies (depending on where it is found), but its main component is "Methane"(CH4}. The rest of the gas is made up of varying amounts of other gases like ethane, propane, butane, and heavier hydrocarbons, plus Carbon Dioxide, Nitrogen, water and traces of other substances. Natural gas is a by product of decaying vegetable matter in underground strata. Natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel; it can help improve the quality of air and water; especially when used in place of other; more polluting energy sources.

Malaysia is blessed with abundant natural gas reserves. At 82.5 trillion cubic feet, these reserves are two times the amount of oil, thus there is opportunity to promote and diversify the use of the natural gas not just as a power source in the industrial and utilities sector; but also as an alternative fuel for vehicles. PETRONAS, through its wholly, owned subsidiary, PETRONAS NGV Sdn Bhd , have been making NGV available to Malaysian motorists through its expanding chain of NGV outlets in the Klang Valley and other major urban areas in the country.

What is NGV?
Natural gas can make a significant contribution towards improved air quality in the transportation industry. Natural gas used in vehicles as fuel is commonly known as Natural Gas for Vehicles or NGV There are three types of natural gas vehicles available.

Bi-Fuel NGV Vehicles
Bi-fuel vehicles are vehicles equipped with two fuel systems i.e. one for petrol and one for NGV of which only one is used at anyone time. Most natural gas bi-fuel vehicles are produced by converting petrol (spark ignition engine) vehicles. In this process, an NGV kit is retrofitted as an addition to the existing petrol system. It is a relatively simple operation and can be done within one day by a certified installer.

Dual-Fuel NGV Vehicles
Diesel vehicles cannot be converted to natural gas bi-fuel operation, but it can be converted to dual-fuel operation or converted to 100% dedicated (monogas) natural gas engine. Converting from diesel to dedicated natural gas operation requires major modifications such as adding spark plugs and altering the compression ratio. These changes preclude the engine from running on diesel fuel. In dual-fuel vehicles, two fuel systems are fitted. The difference with bi-fuel vehicles is that in a dual-fuel vehicle both fuel are used simultaneously instead of one at a time. The dual-fuel system is to convert diesel (compression ignition) vehicle to run on a mixture of NGV and diesel. The diesel fuel is used as a pilot ignition to initiate combustion of the NGV in the engine combustion chambers.

Monogas (Dedicated) NGV Vehicles
When a vehicle is designed by the manufacturers to only use natural gas as fuel, the resulting chassis and engine units are better optimized for NGV than is the case for a converted vehicle. The engine will be able to achieve minimal exhaust emissions, low fuel consumption and adequate mechanical power.

In Malaysia, there are about 8,000 natural gas vehicles currently on the road mainly in the Klang Valley and Johor Bahru. Of this, retrofitted bi-fuel vehicles dominate the natural gas vehicle population in Malaysia with majority of the users being city taxis. The number of monogas vehicles available from original equipment manufacturers is still quite small. Transit buses and some other heavy-duty vehicles make up the greater portion of natural gas vehicles produced by the manufacturers. Until manufacturers build more natural gas vehicles on their assembly lines, most will be in the form of conventional vehicles that have been retrofitted with an NGV kit.

How does a Hi-Fuel vehicle operate?
Natural gas is compressed at the refueling station and dispensed into the vehicle through the natural gas filling valve. It then flows into the NGV cylinder located in the boot of the vehicle. When natural gas is selected, gas from the NGV cylinder goes through the NGV supply line and into the regulator. The regulator reduces the gas storage pressure from up to 3,000 pounds per square inch (psi) to approximately atmospheric pressure.

Next the gas goes through the NGV solenoid valve and into the mixer or fuel injectors. Natural gas mixed with air will then flow through the carburetor or fuel injection system and enters the engines combustion chambers. When petrol is selected, the NGV solenoid valve will shut off the NGV system enabling the vehicle to run on petrol. The diagram below shows the various components for the conversion of a petrol car to bi-fuel operation.

Article taken from AAM "Drive" Magazine January/February 2004 issue.

Fast-N-Furious

topik nie dah pernah ader ler tehah...

Originally posted by Fast-N-Furious at 14-10-2004 05:28 PM:
topik nie dah pernah ader ler tehah...

ye ke... tak pasan le pulak... takpe nnt tehah carik kt topik blkg2.
kan pe.. dok tgk drebar teksi bratur isi ngv harga murah tu rasa jealous le pulak  :bgrin:

royalhouse

aku dengar pakai ngv tarak powerrrr...

aku rase kalu ada byk stesen NGV & ramai yg nak pakai NGV so harge setup nye mungkin akan jadik murah. Tapi pasai maintenance tu aku tak tau la. cuma aku suka gak kalu dapat guna NGV ni jimat petrol aku ... la ni sehari je dekat rm13 duit petrol

ahmad78

nasib baik aku pakai kenari. jimat minyak.

shahgti

takyah ler pakai NGV. nanti sangkut kat highway tak jumpa cari stesyen yg provide NGV. fyi teksi yg pakai NGV pun hanya di lembah klang saja.

B_ii_L

Originally posted by shahgti at 21-11-2004 09:49 PM:
takyah ler pakai NGV. nanti sangkut kat highway tak jumpa cari stesyen yg provide NGV. fyi teksi yg pakai NGV pun hanya di lembah klang saja.

Stesen NGV ni memang hanya di lembah klang........tapi kalo keta dah habis NGV, boleh swicth to petrol......no problem. Petronas tak banyak bukak stesen NGV sebab mahal, then pulangan dia tak banyak sebab NGV full tank pong RM7 saje. Tu pong teksi jer yang pakai, mana nak balik untung. So tu pasal stesen NGV ni very limited.

HangPC2

sikit hari ader la stesen NGV seluruh mesia ni..

B_ii_L

Originally posted by HangPC2 at 22-11-2004 10:43 AM:
sikit hari ader la stesen NGV seluruh mesia ni..

Sure ader kalo NGV ni digunakan sebagai primary factor of car to move on not secondary.:bgrin:

akmal

biil..
ko kai ngv ke..cemane dia punye performance...maintainance..
aku ingat nak switch tu ngv,,dual..