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Post time 10-12-2004 02:11 AM | Show all posts


-        Oil painting

-        A painting knife technique – using painting knife to spread the paint on the canvas.

-        An impasto effect – thick textured.

-        Clear subject matter – a village scene.

-        Green is the dominant hues in this painting.

-        Show a high-angle view of the village street – a technique that was influenced by Japanese print or photography.   

-        Diminishing sizes of objects and hazy effects to give a sense of seeing far into the distant

-        Use the effect of sunlight, color and atmosphere on the scene.

-        One-point perspective.
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Post time 10-12-2004 02:15 AM | Show all posts


-        Oil painting or acrylic painting

-        Painted like watercolors – using a light touch, fairly dry paint.

-        Style of Romantic Movement.

-        Produce bright exciting hue and stirring value contrasts

-        Using color to produce atmospheric effects.

-        Creative to express the ideas.

-        Two-point perspective.
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 Author| Post time 10-12-2004 04:21 PM | Show all posts
Interesting choice of cezanne that , ms fleurzsa...

I'm not too much a fan of cezanne except his still lifes ..I especially don't like  his later paintings which became flatter and flatter and a jumping off to all those cubism and the rest...I hate cubism in fact...I saw Picasso's Les Demoiselles d'Avignon in the MET NY (?)  and I can't really see what's the point of it all....I stood there in front of this huge painting for may be fifteen minutes until I became dizzy ..but I really didn't get the feel of it...may be I'm just plain ignorant...

Your comments on my paintings came  from the head rather than the heart... why don't you put a bit of..."in my opinion I feel this painting is...."  etc..

Yes, I'm still waiting for your paintings here!!
and for the others..I hope you can paste your fav paintings either by local or famous artists and may be your own too (preferably) here and tell us why...and may also be the ones you hate as Naniza promised to show here...

and now I'm going to paste a pair of charcoal drawing of the bull that I bought in culcutta from this student artist for almost nothing as i mentioned before... welcome comments and critiques and your personal feeling about these drawings...

(p.s: I'll be in Cambodia and Mindanao  from Sun 12 till Dec 22 so most likely i won't be coming to this forum till then...but since I'll be with my laptop I may sneak in if I have time...)..




Here's another one


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Post time 22-12-2004 04:37 PM | Show all posts
Sorry. I couldn’t find my oil painting pictures.  Maybe the film negatives r with my friend… Here some of my art works…

Hey all…don’t laugh okay…he he he he

Batik Painting : Underwater





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Post time 22-12-2004 04:43 PM | Show all posts
Wood Carving: Sunflowers





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Post time 22-12-2004 04:46 PM | Show all posts
Ceramic: Bamboo

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Post time 22-12-2004 04:49 PM | Show all posts
Batik Design: Sunflowers

  

[ Last edited by fleurzsa on 22-12-2004 at 06:19 PM ]
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Post time 22-12-2004 05:08 PM | Show all posts
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Post time 22-12-2004 06:22 PM | Show all posts
Arca Kayu Hanyut: Hawk

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 Author| Post time 24-12-2004 05:35 PM | Show all posts
oh hey...
I'm back...

Ms Fleurzsa;
First , who's the lady holding the baju?...
Your batik painting...mmm kiut miut... looks very bright and innocent...
You certainly know your carvings... do you do any Islamic calligraphic carvings??

As for paintings ...my preference are for paintings that are "dark" in mood, lonesome (like what's his name the American artist? that paint lonely scenes...gas stations etc? ) or cerebral (abstract expressionists of de kooning, pollock..etc) ...I don't really take to "happy" paintings....may be because I'm not an optimist or a terribly happy person by nature.... that's why probably I travelled so much.... trying to hide away or may be find myself?? ...and that's why I like highly pessimistic or darkly ironic...or blackly satirical...books or films...

If I were a painter I'll only stick to dark gloomy colors....

Show us more of your works...

And others too... please do.... I'd love to see your works or what your favorite paintings /sculptures are...
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Post time 26-12-2004 12:35 AM | Show all posts
Well...we meet again..

There r 3 ways to analyze painting.  Using aspect of formalistic, history and hidden meaning.  My comments seem coming from my head because I was using formalistic aspect.  I told what I saw through my eyes.  

U know what.  We r not suppose to say, look at the painting.. but  read the painting… Actually, human being used the cave drawing before can read or write.  How to read a painting?  Use the 3 aspects I told earlier.

Okay I will help u…

-        Formalistic – lines, colors, form, shape, space, texture etc
-        History – art movement, history line, politic etc
-        Meaning – iconography, the meanings and symbolic associations attributed to a figure or idea.



Hmm… in my opinion I feel the two sketches emphasize the artist interest in analyzing the changing forms of the bulls.  The flowing lines capture the movement of the bulls. As practice make perfect, each drawing the artist make, is a step forward.

Of course, I was the person who posing for the blouse. It was in my hostel. I don’t wear tudung like that outside.   Actually, I had pasted my pics in this board before.  

I can accept any kind of art.  I’m an art teacher.. he he he.. I study all…

Abstract Expressionism is okay.  The sombre paintings...maybe u mean New Realism or performing art.

I love paintings by Camille Pissaro (impressionism) and J.M.W. Turner (romantic movement).  They used colors to produce atmospheric effects.  In my opinion, their painting also has lonely feeling.  A person in a big, big world.

U may be trying to hide away or to find yourself.  For me, I’m trying to be happy and carry on with the life flow. Then, I see the world around me like a painting.  So distant.


Pissarro, Camille
Path through the Woods in Summer
1877


1801 Turner's first outstanding marine picture in oil, he set the seal on his fame with this painting


I will explain about my art works later.
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 Author| Post time 28-12-2004 04:33 PM | Show all posts
Ms Fleurzsa;

Even with the white square on your face, you still loooook gooood..mmmm mmmhhh. If you're a dish I'd say "compliment to the chef...".... but enough of that... back to art.

You being an art teacher perhaps can not escape being analytical when looking at art... reading art...I like that.

Me, an ignoramus regarding art and who come to love art incidentally and without any formal study of it approach it through the heart...through gut feeling. Of course one gets better and better as one learns more and more...my chief tutor is art museums and art books...

Even books/novels, films etc I'm  never one for analysing the motif/lietmotif or try to deconstruct or understand underlying theme or whatever... yes, I may lost a fair bit of details and interesting context of the whole thing but no matter.... when I look at flowers or the beauty of a female figure...I just love it for the simple beauty of it... don't try to go deeper ....whether the proportion is just right, or the nose is high enough etc...may be I'm a shallow person...but then again nine out of ten persons I meet are no better than me in most aspects....so I'm ok...but always open to new things....

Funny thing you mention about Turner's maritime painting.... I have loads of Dutch 17th century pics of maritime paintings which I downloaded from the net. At one time as I said previously I was really into dutch 17th century paintings...especially flower paintings ad still lifes... but also landscapes and maritime paintings...I can't express it but there is something intellectually stimulating about dutch and Flemish paintings....

...and oh by the way , did any of you see the movie "Girl with Pearl earrings"?...If any of you love Vermeer you MUST see this film...the cinematography is absolutely ravishing... every single scene is like a painting...marvellous....and the girl with the pearl earring...oh my..make me want to weep...so beautiful...

Speaking about maritime paintings,  that reminds me about dutch/flemish fish stillllife paintings again ...as you may know dutch still life paintings are very realistic but actually they are all 'posed'...the flower paintings esp  are invariably "illogical" if you analyse it  ...all kinds of summer and winter flowers etc are combined togather and that sort of thing but they look really pleasing...they are supposed to carry all kind of message, but I never bother about this...funny thing is I hate the modern artists' super realism paintings..Andrew Wyeth may be one of the few exceptions....they look bereft of soul, if you know what I mean...

Oh yes...here are a couple of Fish drawings in my collection...I got this from Shah Alam sunday market during the early days when it was not yet transformed into the normal boring "pasar malam" kind of cheap sales. In those days it was almost like the English boot fairs where people come with their cars and sell their personal things they want to dispose of..but these days...forget it...

These drawings were sold to me  ..very cheaply...by some ITM students...they said these were some of the 'left overs'/rejects from those the artist  submitted to his  course or something like that... reject or otherwise they look good to me...These were by "Sahar"... Don't know who he is... but would love to have more of his paintings...any of you know him??





And here's the second


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Post time 29-12-2004 06:51 PM | Show all posts


-        Uses a combination of pencil, charcoal n brush.

-        Nature Subject – fish / salty fish

-        Larger than sight-size.

-        Simple drawing – concentrated on the outlines of the object.

-        Tonal wash – using a slightly lighter wash to make the shapes emerge.

-        The artist has good basic.

Ur words remind me of a fellow friend in my study years.  Always teased me like I was an apple, fruits, foods, something like that.  Teased me infront people. I had been patient with him by ‘buat bodoh’ n stayed cool. Then, was being friendly with his wife.   This year, when I registered for my study again, there he was, so big with his big smile…. Haiyaaa!!! Life goes on….

I really fascinate with ur desire on painting.  Some people collect paintings bcz they r artists, some for status, some for money, some for hobby.  But u collect them for the beauty of art itself. U reach the art through ur eyes, feeling, gut etc.  Of course, beauty is in the eyes of beholder.

I come to involve in art accidentally.  U know about me wanted to be a teacher. I learn everything through books n lectures.  Deep down I love my artworks too but I have my own mind.  Have u heard something like…  If u love someone, set her free… If she comes back, she's yours. If she doesn't, she never was....  And I learnt long time ago, if u want to give something… give the thing that u love most.  

I can see u start to read the painting now..he he he…  I think Andrew Wyeth is okay…he is a skillful artist.  To tell u the truth, I have no idea about the Dutch /Flemish 17th century painting.  But I know that in 17th century art was also influenced by the revolution. Art became something like problem-solving, intellectual exercise, scientific etc.

I just found out the film negative of my Monalisa painting he he he… I will paste it later.

Sometimes ago, before I found Internet, I was a bookworm n watched lots of movies.  I readed any kind of books n watched any kind of movies.  Of course, I don’t watch porno…yuck!!!  I learnt English through books n movies.  That’s why my English is suck...he he he  I didn’t watch Girl With Pearl Earrings. I will keep the title in mind then. I love classic movie that starred by John Wayne, Clack Gable, James Dean, Humphrey Bogart etc.  The sceneries in the films were like painting.
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Post time 2-1-2005 04:43 PM | Show all posts
I like to share my experienced as an art maker.

Batik painting was very exciting experienced.   Firstly I had to think of the theme of my work. Then, find the subjects for the painting.  I sketched the scene (under water) on paper several times until I was pleased with the composition. And so on…. Haiyaa…My hand felt so heavy when I was drawing the scene with the batik ‘canting’.

As I realize I was weak in using the ‘canting’ for hand-painted batik skill, I created a simpler pattern for my blouse design.  The work of brushing the color is light and did not require a special skill.  My most disappointed was the dressmaker cut the dress without good adjusted with my design.  Hmmm.. Maybe my design was in wrong measurement.

My best friend is a good wood carver.  So I learnt a lot of things from him about wood carving.. Then, we always had different views, he critic my design was hard n not suitable.  I was stubborn n still did my own way. he he he.  Actually my design is based on Chinese motifs that I accommodated with Malay design.  The sad thing was, my carving had been stole after the assessment.   Waaaaaaaaa…….

Making Ceramic was a wonderful experience.  I was making the jar by hand with traditional techniques, designing, shaping the clay.  Balance and proportion are very important things in ceramic making.

Malay handicraft is interesting field.  When other people can own the artworks or show the appreciation, I have the opportunity to be in the making field.  Yup…. Life’s beautiful….
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 Author| Post time 3-1-2005 06:16 PM | Show all posts
IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES

It's a while since I'm here...but here I am back again....

Firstly, I apologize if ms fleurzsa was offended by my teasing ...but wonder how your friend compared you with fruits?? which fruit...I hope not Durian...is it apple?...firm, juicy and red..oooo..or strawberry ...red, soft and juicy...double ooooo....

I'm still waiting to see that copy of mona lisa!!... Last year my Taiwanese friend and I went to Panyiyuan flea market in Beijing and he bought a copy of mona Lisa....I don't understand what's so good about mona lisa... even when I saw it in the Louvre it didn't give me any  goose piples or anything...

You mentioned you don't know anything about 17th Century Dutch  still life paintings...I'm going to post below several examples of these...

In 16 th and 17th Century  the dutch people became very rich due to their maritime trades  and some middle class people wanted to decorate their mansions with beautiful things...paintings, furnitures and stuff...and if you remember,  this was the time when there was a Tulip flower craze and one tulip bulb can fetch thousands of dollars...unlike the kings and queens of Europe and political masters and  aristocrats such as the Medicis...who collect paintings of potraits of themselves and paintings of religious or mytihical stories...you know all those rubens, Holbeins etc...these dutch "burghers"...prefer more mundane paintings of still life, landscapes and maritime paintings...and these genres became very well daveloped duriing this time in the dutch /delft regions...

The paintings are full of symbolism  (eg impermanence of life...flowers, rotting fruit, watches etc) and if you care to learn about it..each flower or items in the still life carry some meanings....

and here are some of the examples... (description on artists below ...I cut and paste from internet)

I love these particular kind of paintings for their very fine craftmenship, dark sensual colors ...

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KALF, Willem
(b. 1622, Rotterdam, d. 1693, Amsterdam)

Dutch painter, one of the most celebrated of all sill-life painters. In 1642-46 he worked in Paris. On his return to the Netherlands he lived in Hoorn and then in 1653 settled in Amsterdam. His early works were modest kitchen and courtyard scenes, but he soon became the outstanding exponent of a type of still-life in which fruit and precious objects - porcelain, oriental rugs, Venetian glass - are arranged in grand Baroque displays. His pictures have often been compared with those of Vermeer because of his masterly handling of texture and his ability to manipulate warm and cool colours (he frequently contrasts the reddish browns in a carpet with the yellow of a peeled lemon and the blue and white of porcelain).





Heda, Willem Claesz.
(1593/94-1680/82).

Dutch still-life painter, active in Haarlem. He and Pieter Claesz. are the most important representatives of ontbijt (breakfast piece) painting in the Netherlands. His overall grey-green or brownish tonalities are very similar to those of Claesz., but Heda's work was usually more highly finished and his taste was more aristocratic. He showed a preference for ham, mince-meat pie, and oysters, and after 1629 never included a herring in his pictures. His son Gerrit (d. 1702) was his most important pupil.




Pieter Claesz Heda




Beyeren, Abraham van (1620/21-90).

Dutch painter, little regarded in his day but now considered one of the greatest of still-life painters.
He initially specialized in fish subjects, but around the middle of the 17th century he began to devote himself to sumptuous banquet tables laden with silver and gold vessels, Venetian glassware, fine fruit, and expensive table coverings of damask, satin, and velvet. Works of this kind, in which he was rivalled only by Kalf, gave him ever greater opportunity than his fish pieces to demonstrate his ability to show the play of light on varied surfaces and organize forms and colors into an opulently blended composition. He worked in various towns before settling in Overschie in 1678.


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Post time 7-1-2005 08:55 AM | Show all posts
Hello En Greenbottle3,

I was busy lately...

About the teasing, its ok… u have a sense of humor.  Actually, I’m blushing ha ha ha ha..

U know what, some of the forumners here r good toward me.  If I do something inappropriate, they would PM & give some advices.  For example, when I open some threads in Teen & Sex Education board and when I made jokes  ‘terlampau’ in Jokes & Humor board he he he he…

Maybe u like to read the jokes....I think its good jokes.. but I am respect people concern.

http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... %2Bjokes%2Bfleurzsa

Thanks for the Dutch paintings. They r really good.  Suddenly, I remember a Dutch Painter and Engraver, Rembrandt.  He was quite famous then.

My comments about the paintings…

- The styles r based on greatness, beauty, luxuries and emotion.  

- Influenced on high-ranking people.

-  Baroque, Rococo, Neoclassicism - Realistic form.

- Triangle composition.

- Use of light and dark values.

I like to write more but I have class this afternoon.  Better have some preparation.  I will paste my Monalisa painting soon.  

C u all. Take care.
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Post time 8-1-2005 10:53 PM | Show all posts
Waaalahhhh!!!!  Here it is…  Don’t laugh okay..  Actually I did the painting in 2 days.  The painting is similar in size with the original.

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 Author| Post time 11-1-2005 09:27 PM | Show all posts
Ai aiiii...thank you  v much ms Fleurzsa for posting this strange mona lisa... you had the mouth quite right I think but why oh why your does lady look so err yellowish? she looks positively sickly...like she's having yellow fever..demam kuning...I'm sure the color didn't come right in the photo...and she might have some eye ailment too...or may be she's wearing contact lenses??...but for 2 days job that's a reasonable enough work I think...

Your mona liza reminds me of naive paintings.... I don't know if Henri Rousseau  is considered one but to me he's one of the best....I have one naive art looking piece that I bought from a boot fair in Kent some years back...here it is...I think it was painted by a child....

oh by the way...I'm one lucky person... next month I'll be going to London on company biz and I mean to go museum hopping again...and after that I'm planning to fly to Moscow... take a  six day trans -siberian train journey from Moscow to Beijing... & do some flea market hunting at Panyiyuan and back to Malaysia again end of Feb.....

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one of My naive-like  paintings collection




and here is an example of paintings that I bought from Panyiyuan Beijing...I especially like the crab in this painting....

let me know what you think.


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Post time 12-1-2005 11:38 PM | Show all posts
Ha ha ha ha ha..  About the yellowish face…maybe the film negative is not quite good.  I left the painting in one of the lecture room.  When I asked my junior about it, she said that the professor used my painting to critic about the eyes.  I don’t mind as long as the painting has been such a good use.

If u like, I can paint ur face too ha ha ha ha ha…if u like na飗e painting..

Yes u r really a lucky person. I hope one day I have the opportunity too.  

U know what, nowadays I am quite scare to go anywhere alone, after so many rape cases.  A few years ago, I frequently walked alone in KL city at midnight.  When I lived in Paris, every weekend I was walking alone for miles, always lost n cried.  

I’m looking forward to read ur story about the journey then.  



Hmmm Na飗e painting is a new style.  Let me read it…

-        Nature scenery.

-        Children’s art.

-               Simple in details.

-        Using the brushes – oil/ acrylic paint.

-        Bright weather, colorful flowers n shimmering water.

-        Bright colors - happy mood.

-        The artist tried to use shading technique.



-        Oil Painting

-        Still life

-        Realistic painting technique

-        A strong tendency toward compositions using darker values.

-        Dark background to advance the subjects.

-        A bird view - the subjects are viewed from a high-angle view.

-        The shapes drawn by the artist r not sharp.

-        The designs on the vase n teapot give a touch of Chinese.

-        The bright color of red crabs as a central focus.
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 Author| Post time 19-1-2005 06:49 PM | Show all posts
Mon ami...you (once) lived in France! ...how lucky you are!
I was this close to being offered a post in Nice France last September...I was actually offered the job there but in the end the company just get a local guy...save a lot of money...If I go there they'll have to pay me as an expat...

About rape...well I don't quite mind if any young lady want to rape me, in fact quite looking forward to it.. heh heh heh...jokes aside, yes it may be quite a disadvantage for ladies especially strawberries like you (just joking, just joking...) to mosey along by yourself in the middle of the night in any city anywhere ..especially these days...

Speaking about all this racy stuff it's appropriate for me to introduce my erotic collections...I only have 6 miniature mughal erotic paintings that I bought in New Delhi in 2003 and one sketch by khalil ibrahim of a man pulling himself as mentioned in one of my early postings before...but I do have some erotic art books and the translation of kama sutra and the perfumed garden by Sir Richard Burton etc ...so you may say I'm quite a connoisuer ...hmmmm....I still feel regret that I did not buy a whole folio of these paintings ( at least about 30 paintings of couples in different and sometime very difficult acrobatic poses) which was offered to be by one seller for about RM300 only...

Since I do not know how liberal minded our readers/ viewers  are and so as not to offend anybody (by mistaking art with porn)  I choose the safer alternative by placing a coin at the strategic place....it's an added irony that I purposely placed a coin (money) at this spot ....let me know what you all think...


Here's one

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/greenbottle2/IMG_1702.jpg

And here's another...



Fleurzsa: Sorry..have to edit.. I change the first pic to a link.

[ Last edited by fleurzsa on 21-1-2005 at 06:55 AM ]
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