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Post time 2-12-2004 09:11 AM | Show all posts
not you...him - wira_melayu


i believe adm_cheng_ho is not christian...why suddenly bash the bible when you're answering his post??? i don't get this...
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 2-12-2004 06:37 AM:



WHAT YOU MEANT?

According to few gay priest stated that it's ok to be gay!:

According to one gay priest claimed that homosexual is ok !:clap:

Accord ...

This is the type of response that brought SHAME to his religion when innocuous questions was asked of the believer of that religion. Well done!

me: my mistake. So early in the morning. hehe...
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Post time 2-12-2004 10:00 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by wira_melayu at  06:37 AM:
WHAT YOU MEANT?

According to few gay priest stated that it's ok to be gay!

According to one gay priest claimed that homosexual is ok !

According to some forummers Bible didn;t exist at all!

According  to some bishop claimed that Bibble is a like a fairy tales book!

According to me Bible is rubbish,which is not meant to be read but to throw!

SO ACCORDING TO WHICH SUNNI HISTORIANS DID YOU REFER TO?

So according to which Sunni historians that you mention above?
Please quote your sources,i would feel greatly to particpate in this debate!!...


so making slanderous remarks about Christians. i can do the same to ur faith. so don't complaint that u will lodge police report and i do the same.

read the daily news; who and whos really commiting those acts. Hve u read long turban with long rob who pray 5x rapping his own daughter?

Go & correct ur religion first b4 judge on others
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Post time 2-12-2004 10:00 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Sephiroth at  08:40 AM:
by Truth.8

he think he is very smart. the problem with him is "lack of sex".....i hve already inform him he should visit massage palour to get himself released/or those ah kuas to  ...



it worthless to argue with u and such waste of time

bye
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Post time 2-12-2004 11:53 AM | Show all posts
by Truth.8

it worthless to argue with u and such waste of time

Who asked you to argue? I was minding my own business (except when I told the other fellow not compare you and me) and you come busy-body in places not concerning you.
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Post time 2-12-2004 06:53 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Sephiroth at  11:53 AM:
by Truth.8

it worthless to argue with u and such waste of time

Who asked you to argue? I was minding my own business (except when I told the other fellow not compare you and me) and  ...



bye time waster
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Post time 3-12-2004 06:56 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by me at 2-12-2004 08:11 AM:
i believe adm_cheng_ho is not christian...why suddenly bash the bible when you're answering his post??? i don't get this...


I bash the bibble??ff:

Can you please read carefully what are my intends??:no:

Hope this wouldn't make you NUTS!:nana::nana::nana::nana::nana:
:nana:
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Post time 3-12-2004 07:05 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2-12-2004 10:00 AM:


so making slanderous remarks about Christians. i can do the same to ur faith. so don't complaint that u will lodge police report and i do the same.

read the daily news; who and whos really c ...



What a word from a General and Admiral!!

First of all what i ask was to quote a sourxe about which Sunni historians did the Admiral referring to?

Am i doing slanderous remarks about Christian?:stp:
I advise you to read my post carefully,if it did makes you cry then i would to apologies to you since you didn't understand my HEADLINES!


So you never read in the newspaper that there's actually a gay priest?:lol

It's you who brought up about the police report not me!BADUAH!HA HA HA
:no:

lollollollollollollollollollollollollol:lol
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Post time 3-12-2004 07:09 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 28-11-2004 11:34 PM:
Let's try this. According to Sunni historians, the Koran was burnt. Why? This makes the oldest copy of Koran cannot be dated back to Muhammad's lifetime if we follow their version of Islamic histor ...

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Admiral,your reply:
The Prophet (saw) used to recite the Qur'an before angel Jibreel (Gabriel) once every Ramadan, but he recited it twice (in the same order we have today) in the last Ramadan before his death. Jibreel also taught the Prophet (saw) the seven modes of recitation.
Each verse received was recited by the Prophet, and its location relative to other verses and surahs was identified by him.
The verses were written by scribes, selected by the Prophet, on any suitable object - the leaves of trees, pieces of wood, parchment or leather, flat stones, and shoulder blades. Scribes included Ali Ibn Abi Talib, Mu'awiyah Ibn Abi Sufyan, Ubey Ibn Ka'ab, Zayed Ibn Thabit.
Some of the companions wrote the Qur'an for their own use.
Several hundred companions memorized the Qur'an by heart.
During the caliphate of Abu Bakr (632-634 CE)
Umar Ibn Al-Khattab urged Abu Bakr to preserve and compile the Qur'an. This was prompted after the battle of Yamamah, where heavy casualties were suffered among the reciters who memorized the Qur'an.
Abu Bakr entrusted Zayed Ibn Thabit with the task of collecting the Qur'an. Zayed had been present during the last recitation of the Qur'an by the Prophet to Angel Jibreel (Gabriel).
Zayed, with the help of the companions who memorized and wrote verses of the Qur'an, accomplished the task and handed Abu Bakr the first authenticated copy of the Qur'an. The copy was kept in the residence of Hafsah, daughter of Umar and wife of the Prophet.
During the caliphate of Uthman (644-656 CE)
Uthman ordered Zayed Ibn Thabit, Abdullah Ibn Al Zubayr, Saeed Ibn Al-Aas, and Abdur-Rahman Ibn Harith Ibn Hisham to make perfect copies of the authenticated copy kept with Hafsa. This was due to the rapid expansion of the Islamic state and concern about differences in recitation.
Copies were sent to various places in the Muslim world. The original copy was returned to Hafsa, and a copy was kept in Madinah.
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Post time 3-12-2004 07:24 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Sephiroth at 29-11-2004 04:39 PM:
by Adm_Cheng_Ho

Fighting is only prescribed when you are "oppressed"
Unfortunately, this has been manipulated with victimhood card.


Victimhood card? Yeah right (Sarcasm).
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Sephiroth,your replies;

Without commenting on any one specific group or nation, we would like you to know what the Islamic teachings regarding 'violence' are. We hope you will judge for yourself what the Islamic message regarding fighting in the name of Allah is. In the Holy Quran, the Muslim scripture, which we believe to be the revealed and absolute word of God, the Muslim are enjoined to 'strive' in the name of Allah, this is the true meaning of Jihad (the holy war). Jihad can be done in several ways, without ever picking up arms. People fail to understand the true philosophy of it and engage violently in territorial/political issues in the name of religion. Indeed the word Jihad is also applied for fighting in the cause of religion. Islam permits taking up arms only in opposition to people who themselves take up arms first. Islam does not allow Muslims while they are subjects of a non-Muslim ruler, who is fair to them, to rebel against him. Islam is not supposed to be spread by 'sword'. It's beautiful message always attracts people naturally. In the days of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be on him) who brought the message of Islam to this world, many battles were fought. It is ignorant to draw parallels with those times and take up arms in the name of Allah. In those days, 1,400 years ago, severe cruelty was employed and terror used to stop Islam from spreading. Over a period of thirteen long years many Muslims were brutally killed, because they believed in Allah. The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) himself was persistently targeted with persecution. In return, he was the model of patience. However, when this cruelty exceeded all bounds Allah informed the Holy prophet (peace and blessings be on him) to go ahead and fight the oppressors. Those who believe that Islam's cause can be won through force and brutality and engage in violent actions are indeed ignorant of the real beauty of Islam. May Allah guide them. Amen.

So what do you think about the suicide bomber carried out by the Tamil Tigers?:

So what do you think about those Hindu extremist/terrorist that demolished
the mosque in Ayodhya in the name of their religion?

So do believe in Karma?:ah:

Why they are so many casthe in Hindu?

Do you believe in reincarnation?:stp:
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Post time 3-12-2004 07:55 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-12-2004 06:56 AM:


I bash the bibble??ff:

Can you please read carefully what are my intends??:no:

Hope this wouldn't make you NUTS!:nana::nana::nana::nana::nana:
:nana:



this was wrote  by you....


According to me Bible is rubbish,which is not meant to be read but to throw!:bodek:
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Post time 3-12-2004 08:18 AM | Show all posts
by wira_melayu

Without commenting on any one specific group or nation, we would like you to know what the Islamic teachings regarding 'violence' are. We hope you will judge for yourself what the Islamic message regarding fighting in the name of Allah is. In the Holy Quran, the Muslim scripture, which we believe to be the revealed and absolute word of God, the Muslim are enjoined to 'strive' in the name of Allah, this is the true meaning of Jihad (the holy war). Jihad can be done in several ways, without ever picking up arms. People fail to understand the true philosophy of it and engage violently in territorial/political issues in the name of religion.

Indeed the word Jihad is also applied for fighting in the cause of religion. Islam permits taking up arms only in opposition to people who themselves take up arms first. Islam does not allow Muslims while they are subjects of a non-Muslim ruler, who is fair to them, to rebel against him. Islam is not supposed to be spread by 'sword'. It's beautiful message always attracts people naturally. In the days of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be on him) who brought the message of Islam to this world, many battles were fought. It is ignorant to draw parallels with those times and take up arms in the name of Allah. In those days, 1,400 years ago, severe cruelty was employed and terror used to stop Islam from spreading. Over a period of thirteen long years many Muslims were brutally killed, because they believed in Allah.

The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be on him) himself was persistently targeted with persecution. In return, he was the model of patience. However, when this cruelty exceeded all bounds Allah informed the Holy prophet (peace and blessings be on him) to go ahead and fight the oppressors. Those who believe that Islam's cause can be won through force and brutality and engage in violent actions are indeed ignorant of the real beauty of Islam. May Allah guide them. Amen.  


It doesn't matter what Islam says about violence, what matters is what Muslims do. Islam is just a piece of book named Al Quran which no one reads (more than once or twice) and certainly don't care to memorize and follow.

If Muhammad said you going to get 72 prostitutes in Heaven, that is what will be your religion and heaven. The rest are nonsense. :no:

So what do you think about the suicide bomber carried out by the Tamil Tigers?

No one offered them 72 prostitutes, did they? :cak:

So what do you think about those Hindu extremist/terrorist that demolished the mosque in Ayodhya in the name of their religion?

Political campaign by certain parties. Already mentioned last time.

So do believe in Karma?

Why they are so many casthe in Hindu?

Do you believe in reincarnation?  


None of your business anyway, since you are not a Hindu. If you want to know, go and do research.
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Post time 3-12-2004 08:37 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-12-2004 06:56 AM:



Hope this wouldn't make you NUTS!:nana::nana::nana::nana::nana:
:nana:



it won't... but it will make you nuts...
cause it seems to me your fonts are getting bigger and red...and all those idiot faces...
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Post time 5-12-2004 03:54 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Sephiroth at 3-12-2004 08:18 AM:
by wira_melayu

Without commenting on any one specific group or nation, we would like you to know what the Islamic teachings regarding 'violence' are. We hope you will judge for yourself what ...


Thanks for you replies Sephiroth,i thought you already ignore all my post?i don't see why you need to be sarcasm in your statements since i offered you my post in a very nice,no-nonsense statement.i don't try to enforce my opinion on you as i believe that everybody has the right to express their opinion on their own perception.i do believe that you are into serious constructive debate as i can see in your other post before and if you can see my post,you'll realize that i choose to be nasty and sarcastic to whoever start posing such nasty threads:solute:.

It doesn't matter what Islam says about violence, what matters is what Muslims do. Islam is just a piece of book named Al Quran which no one reads (more than once or twice) and certainly don't care to memorize and follow.
If Muhammad said you going to get 72 prostitutes in Heaven, that is what will be your religion and heaven. The rest are nonsense.


can you please quote your sources to support your allegation on this?especially since you mention that Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) said that i'm going to get 72 prostitutes?:stp:

So what do you think about the suicide bomber carried out by the Tamil Tigers?

No one offered them 72 prostitutes, did they?

I really don't understand what you are trying to express on this?my question is what do you think of the suicide bomber carried out by Tamil Tiger?actually i was expecting  you to condemn that since i condemned Muslim Terrorist in the World Affairs!since you choose to stay quiet about it,i take it as you support it!:hmm:

So what do you think about those Hindu extremist/terrorist that demolished the mosque in Ayodhya in the name of their religion?

Political campaign by certain parties. Already mentioned last time.

I hope that i can have you views on this but to my dissapointment,you prefer not to disclose it to me.i don't believe it';s about political campaign,i strongly believe it was being spearhead by Fundamental Hindu nationalist which prefer to use violence.

So do believe in Karma?

Why they are so many casthe in Hindu?

Do you believe in reincarnation?  

None of your business anyway, since you are not a Hindu. If you want to know, go and do research.

If i want do research why i come here at first place,it's simply because i wanna hear from your views,isn't this is a forum where everybody can exchange views or opinions,that's where you,me and everybody is here to discuss.:hatdown:
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Post time 5-12-2004 05:30 AM | Show all posts
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-12-2004 06:56 AM:


I bash the bibble??

Can you please read carefully what are my intends??

Hope this wouldn't make you NUTS!
  



this was wrote  by you....


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According to me Bible is rubbish,which is not meant to be read but to throw!

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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-12-2004 06:56 AM:



Hope this wouldn't make you NUTS!
  



it won't... but it will make you nuts...
cause it seems to me your fonts are getting bigger and red...and all those idiot faces...
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Firstly i've told you to read my post CAREFULLY,those words were intentionally to make HEADLINES!Just like the newspaper,you got big letter with only few words on the frontpage headlines,but what their intend was actually at the next pages or so!!If you still don't understand it,it's ok...stay dumb if you want to!lollollol

Secondly,if my fonts really makes you see red or heartache,please contact the CARI admin as those fonts were actually provided by the CARI admin themself.It didn't matter to me big or small fonts,colour or non colour,it's up to individual creativity to use them.And lastly about those idiotic faces of yours,perhaps i would like to show everybody in this forum how i think you look like when you read my post and see my colourful large fonts,this is how you look like>>>>>:kant:
lollollollollollollollollollollollollol:lol
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Post time 6-12-2004 08:33 AM | Show all posts
no...it was bashing...btw, adm_cheng_ho is not christian...why bash te bible when you were answering his post...typical of islam...blame everything on the christian...

your big and red font shows your anger...
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Post time 6-12-2004 09:16 AM | Show all posts
by wira_melayu

can you please quote your sources to support your allegation on this?especially since you mention that Prophet Muhammad(S.A.W) said that i'm going to get 72 prostitutes?

I didn't say you will be going to get 72 prostitutes (virgins in heaven), I said those who died in Jihad will get 72 prostitutes (virgins) in heaven. Who gives a damn what you get. ;)

So what do you think about the suicide bomber carried out by the Tamil Tigers?

Why should I be bothered about them? Their problem is with Sri Lankan government, not with me. And they managed to contain their problem within Sri Lanka.

I really don't understand what you are trying to express on this?my question is what do you think of the suicide bomber carried out by Tamil Tiger?actually i was expecting  you to condemn that since i condemned Muslim Terrorist in the World Affairs!since you choose to stay quiet about it,i take it as you support it!

Read the above statement.

I hope that i can have you views on this but to my dissapointment,you prefer not to disclose it to me.i don't believe it';s about political campaign,i strongly believe it was being spearhead by Fundamental Hindu nationalist which prefer to use violence.

Like I said, political motivated campaigns.

If i want do research why i come here at first place,it's simply because i wanna hear from your views,isn't this is a forum where everybody can exchange views or opinions,that's where you,me and everybody is here to discuss.

I not in the mood to bother about your questions. Do you own research or go somewhere else to get your required answers.

This thread is about discussion on Al Quran. At least have manners not to mix up things in other people's thread. :no:
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Post time 7-12-2004 12:44 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 28-11-2004 09:55 AM:
The Quran was written only a few hundred years after Mohamed died.
Primary sourciung shows that there is no mention of the Quran nor common citation of quran verses in muslim culture until the 10 ...


no..again lies...it is a fact that quran was not COMPILED in the time of the prophet..however, a close companion of the prophet called abu hurairah wrote down many verses from the quran..so..the theory regarding the quran written after several houndred years is a lie..if it is true..then why does the quran comes in stages? for example the prohibition of wine drinking...at first the quran only discouraged it..then came a verse that explained its bad effect..then a verse with strong prohibition..only after that..a complete prohibition...at that time..wine drinking was an issue and a social problem (well until now actually) to men, especially the arabs..at the time of caliph abu bakr(which was several years after the propeht's death) , al quran was put together and compiled as today..it was a tremendous effort by the muslims and the prophet's companions at that time.the proof? then title given to abu bakr from the muslims as the saviour of the ummah...because of his work in compling the quran and erradicationg false prophets..

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Post time 7-12-2004 08:38 AM | Show all posts
.then why does the quran comes in stages? for example the prohibition of wine drinking...at first the quran only discouraged it..then came a verse that explained its bad effect..then a verse with strong prohibition..only after that..a complete prohibition


oh...so men does add something in the koran...right you are...right you are...
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Post time 8-12-2004 09:14 AM | Show all posts
so you were saying the koran never change a dot???
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Post time 8-12-2004 09:31 AM | Show all posts
muslims in this forum and as well in world wide claimed Bible is pono.

If Bible is pono, then why believed in Dut18:18

calling holy Book of Christians pono is already slanderous remarks.

keep passing such remarks, then i going exposed more  the so called holy book of koran and muhammad.



If want to know the truth whether Bible is pono or not , then I suggest muslims click here : http://www.faithfreedom.org/Quran.htm

Go judge 4urself  the real one.


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Post time 8-12-2004 12:02 PM | Show all posts
that website is from the christians so it tends to be biased. to place an argument simply on a website shows that u need a life and u need to go out often and mingle with others.experience is man's best teacher.and yeah..read some books.
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Post time 8-12-2004 12:06 PM | Show all posts
That website is owned by ex-muslims who abandoned islam.
You obviously did not even visit the site.
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Post time 8-12-2004 12:07 PM | Show all posts
he's lost...and he does admited that men does add words in the koran...
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Post time 8-12-2004 03:43 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Debmey at 7-12-2004 06:06 PM:
That website is owned by ex-muslims who abandoned islam.
You obviously did not even visit the site.


buddy..i went there..exmuslims=non believers=christians
furthermore 100% of your arguments are based one website..get out more..meet real people..get a life..
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