The spirit squeezed him more tightly. Is this how angel do that??

Truth.8

Originally posted by samerosie at  09:42 AM:


Er... no body has been forcing you to believe it in the first place. LOL Well, I think it hurts you more than it hurts us.

perhaps this will make u understand:

Who Was The Spirit That Squeezed Muhammad At The Cave?

It is of great importance to identify the spirit who squeezed Muhammad at the cave of Hira near Mecca. After his encounter with the spirit, Muhammad was afraid that what happened to him was from a Jinni. Then later, Muhammad declared in the Koran that the spirit who squeezed him was the angel Gabriel. We read in Surat Al-Baqarah 2:97: Say: Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - for he brings down the (revelation) to the heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe. Was the spirit really the angel Gabriel? The answer is:
click here : http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/3425/page155.htm

sapa sapalah punya website ni ko belasah?

Truth.8

Originally posted by samerosie at  11:50 AM:
sapa sapalah punya website ni ko belasah?

bukan sapa2 punya website, ada logik dlm site kan.

Truth.8

In Surat Al-Imran 3:48 it is said concerning Jesus: And Allah will teach him the book and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel. Ibn Katheir in his exposition of the Koran (Vol. 1, page 344), says: The book mentioned here means writing. We would expect that Muhammad, who calls himself the seal of the prophets, would be taught to read and write. The spirit said in his revelation to Muhammad: Read; and thy Lord the Most Bounteous, who teaches by the pen, teacheth man that which he knew not (Surat Al-Alaq 96:3-4). The question is, if God teaches man that which he knew not by the pen, why did He not teach Muhammad how to read and write, instead of leaving him illiterate all his life? There came a time when Muhammad was in doubt concerning the revelations he received from the spirit. The Koran recorded: If thou wert in doubt as to what we have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: The truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord; so be in no wise of those in doubt (Surat Yunus 10:94). The "Book" mentioned in this verse is the Bible, and that shows very clearly that the Bible was the final authority for Muhammad even when he was in doubt. If Muhammad had been a learned man he would have known the truth directly from the Bible. But the spirit left him illiterate.

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Kalau nak cakap pasal logik, orang lain pun boleh letak sesiapa punya website yang offensive to Hinduism, Buddhism, Christians etc, walaupun tak benar, tak kisah sebab - ada logik dalam site tu kan?

Truth.8

Muhammad had the right to be in doubt of the revelations given to him by the spirit which appeared to him at the cave of Hira, for that spirit was not the angel Gabriel. If he was a learned man, he would have known what the New Testament says concerning Satan: And no Wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14 NKJ).

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babybueno

kalau macam tu bukan gabriel jugak ler yg dtg kepada nabi daniel sekiranya gabriel diragui menghampiri muhammad? pelik kan org christian ni gabriel yg dtg kepada daniel tidak pulak mereka pertikaikan.

Truth.8

Originally posted by babybueno at  12:35 PM:
kalau macam tu bukan gabriel jugak ler yg dtg kepada nabi daniel sekiranya gabriel diragui menghampiri muhammad? pelik kan org christian ni gabriel yg dtg kepada daniel tidak pulak mereka pertikaikan.

gabriel tak t squeezed Daniel malah comfort him. malas nak jawap ini sebab dah jawap

In Surat Al-Imran 3:48 it is said concerning Jesus: And Allah will teach him the book and wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel. Ibn Katheir in his exposition of the Koran (Vol. 1, page 344), says: The book mentioned here means writing. We would expect that Muhammad, who calls himself the seal of the prophets, would be taught to read and write. The spirit said in his revelation to Muhammad: Read; and thy Lord the Most Bounteous, who teaches by the pen, teacheth man that which he knew not (Surat Al-Alaq 96:3-4). The question is, if God teaches man that which he knew not by the pen, why did He not teach Muhammad how to read and write, instead of leaving him illiterate all his life?
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Al-Imran
[3:48] She said, 'My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me? He said, 'Such is the way of Allah. He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, 'Be,' and it is;'

[3:49] "And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel;

First, the author quoted the verse no. wrongly.  Secondly, the author bears an eery resemblance to you, deficiency in the English grammar.

Ibn Kathir's exposition:  

"It appears that the `Book' the Ayah mentioned here refers to writing".

If you supplicate the word "writing" into the verse, it will read:-

And He will teach him the Writing and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel.

Of course you being you, you will not get it.  To make it short, there is a difference between "the writing" and "to write".  Now, did the above word say anything to bring the meaning that it was Allah who taught Jesus to write?

Elsewhere in the same chapter, Ibn Kathir gave the meaning to the word "the Book" as The Quran and/or Scripture of Truth.

To say why Allah had not teach Muhammad to read nor to write without blinking an eye is, I find, incredibly ignorant.  

If He willed, He would, but He did not teach Adam to read nor write, instead He taught Adam the names of the things.  He did not teach Jesus to read nor write, nor Abram, nor Moses, nor John the Baptist, nor Joseph, nor David and Solomon, nor Daniel.  Daniel went to school for that!  LOL

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Truth.8

Originally posted by samerosie at  01:58 PM:
To say why Allah had not teach Muhammad to read nor to write without blinking an eye is, I find, incredibly ignorant.  

If He willed, He would, but He did not teach Adam to read nor write, instead He taught Adam the names of the things.  He did not teach Jesus to read nor write, nor Abram, nor Moses, nor John the Baptist, nor Joseph, nor David and Solomon, nor Daniel.  Daniel went to school!  LOL

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...but ur allah did not made him read and write. U cannot compare Moses or Jesus because God made them to read and write. that is the differences the Yaweh/Adonai and urs allah.

And no Wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14 NKJ).
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But then hey look at 2 Cor. 11:13, was it referring to Muhammad?  No because, Muhammad wasn't preaching for Christ.

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 17-12-2004 02:02 PM:



...but ur allah did not made him read and write. U cannot compare Moses or Jesus because God made them to read and write. that is the differences the Yaweh/Adonai and urs allah.

Need I repeat?  They all went to school!  (wish I could say the same of you).

babybueno

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 17-12-2004 12:35 PM:
Muhammad had the right to be in doubt of the revelations given to him by the spirit which appeared to him at the cave of Hira, for that spirit was not the angel Gabriel.If he was a learned man, he would have known what the New Testament says concerning Satan: And no Wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light (2 Cor 11:14 NKJ).

How could Muhammad would have known what New Testament says concerning Satan when at that point of time he was not a Christian man. He never studies Christianity or the content of the bible when he first met Gabriel. He was unaware of who the real god was, who Satan was and who Jesus was.

Muhammad lived among the pagan tribe who worshipped the idols but he  believed there was only one god  and rejected the idea of worshipping the idols and that makes him a monotheist.

In searching for one-true god he met Gabriel who asked him to worship Allah. Allah selected Muhammad  as his messenger  to teach  his people to worship the real god, not the idols and also stubborn people like you who mistakenly believe that Jesus is a son of god.

Why would god choose an illiterate man as his messenger? It simply because if he was not an illiterate it would be easy for people like you especially 搈e

kyas

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2004-12-17 12:45 PM:
gabriel tak t squeezed Daniel malah comfort him. malas nak jawap ini sebab dah jawap

that shows gabriel is more mesra to muhammad...

snipersnake

Originally posted by kyas at 16-12-2004 09:18 PM:


that shows gabriel is more mesra to muhammad...

yes!!:clap:

Truth.8

Originally posted by kyas at  03:18 PM:


that shows gabriel is more mesra to muhammad...

mesra?? or to put fear until he wanted sucide?? answer in ur brain

snipersnake

i have been searching around regarding this suicide thingy..and guess what..it does not exist!!! post the so called literature work..or at least..the link..or the name of the book..or the author..

Truth.8

Originally posted by babybueno at  02:36 PM:
In searching for one-true god he met Gabriel who asked him to worship Allah. Allah selected Muhammad  as his messenger  to teach  his people to worship the real god, not the idols and also stubborn people like you who mistakenly believe that Jesus is a son of god. ...

i made clear here:

The people of the Book (Jews, Christian & Nasrani) never endorsed the allah is god. The Bible  never spoke of allah but :

Yaweh
Adonai
Elohim
Father
Almighty
Jehovah

.....the word allah is not even found.

Pls go to search engine google and key in allah ....u will understand.

bye....hve nice weekend

Truth.8

Originally posted by snipersnake at  03:46 PM:
i have been searching around regarding this suicide thingy..and guess what..it does not exist!!! post the so called literature work..or at least..the link..or the name of the book..or the author..

...yet u called that widow is virginlollol:gila:

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 17-12-2004 03:48 PM:



i made clear here:

The people of the Book (Jews, Christian & Nasrani) never endorsed the allah is god. The Bible  never spoke of allah but :

Yaweh
Adonai
Elohim
Father
Almighty
...

I find it amusing that Truth8 calls himself The People of the Book.  This term is only used in the Quran (which he rejects) and no where else in the Bible or Torah or Talmud...and yet, he proudly uses the term to carry his own basket.