600 years ago, so nobody should know....

snipersnake

si this the version?
"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

or:
The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie.  (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

which one

snipersnake

Among these proofs:

  1. Muhammad (may Allaah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Qur'aan that we now have between our hands. This Qur'aan mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews nor Christians were able to believe him regarding anything that he said.

  

2. Muhammad (may Allaah's blessings and peace be upon him) also foretold of everything that would
occur to him and his community after him. Pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islaam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.

  

3. Muhammad (may Allaah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Qur'aan that is
the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Qur'aan challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Qur'aan. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Qur'aan. Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Qur'aan.

  

4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful,
compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly
matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allaah.

  

5. Allaah instilled great love for Muhammad (may Allaah's blessings and peace be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him. Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.
  

6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life
of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history. Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allaah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.

7. Nor has there ever been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who
believe in him. Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves.

Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread
among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.

During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble Prophet have fully
adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere
to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allaah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.

Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allaah, special prayers,
and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night. Like, what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc. Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allaah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed. All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.
  

8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.

  

9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been
followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were
previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to
follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers. Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allaah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islaam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allaah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harms and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion. My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense that this Prophet was truly and really Allaah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophet hood or spoke about Allaah without knowledge.
  

10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its creed and legal make-up. Muhammad described Allaah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers nor the wise could ever describe Allaah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy.
Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy
and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of
human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.
  

11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet (may Allaah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought. In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one' parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching. All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.
  

12. The legal and creed make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may Allaah's
blessings and peace be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All
of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great
law and upright religion. The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allaah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).

snipersnake

Muhammad is not the father of any male among you, but he is the messenger of God and the seal of the prophets; and God is aware of all things (33:40).

Say, whether or not you believe in it, the fact is that those who possessed knowledge before it fall on their faces in humble prostration when it is recited to them. And they say, Glory to our Lord and Sustainer: Surely the promise of Our Lord and Sustainer was to be fulfilled! (17:107-108; see also, 7:157, 61:6).

Going by Oreng's supposition, where the nearest time is the determining factor, then perhaps all Muslims should believe in Jesus more than Muhammad.

This is because the time taken for an account of Jesus to be written is much nearer for the Bible than Muhammad's account of Jesus which happened some 600 years later.

I win! I win! :clap:

The End.

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Truth.8

Muhammad broke God hand written Sabbaht
Muhammad change direction of worshiped
Muhammad promote polygamy when Jesus say 121
Muhammad ask to killed unbeliever
Jesus says keep ur sword away
Muhammad promote sensual paradise with houris
Jesus did not claimed such


and list goes on why we reject Muhamamd and his teachings.

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Debmey

Originally posted by samerosie at 2005-1-10 03:21 PM:
i believe in the gospel...that was written by them who actually met jesus...

?? Are you sure ??

Did Muhamad meet Jesus?

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by snipersnake at 2005-1-10 05:35 PM:
Among these proofs:

  1. Muhammad (may Allaah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he  ...

LOL

Why uhh, there is totally opposite view about the prophet Muhammad? Was there two prophet Muhammad in the 7th century?

The Good prophet as depicted by the cut&paste of psycho-snake, as "a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter.

and the other, Evil prophet, we find in hadith and in the website of ex-muslims. This Evil prophet lied, having no disregard for other peoples believes, curses often, having no compassion or mercy, kills his oppositions, brutally expands his power grip, having preverted sexual taste... an utter dispicable character to be followed.

Maybe this prophets are from another world or a different dimensions getting mixed up.

Maybe Buckaroo Banzai, can find an answer during one of his trip thru' the 8th dimension, to the opposing views about Muhammad..

vixen

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-1-10 08:12 PM:



LOL

Why uhh, there is totally opposite view about the prophet Muhammad? Was there two prophet Muhammad in the 7th century?

The Good prophet as depicted by the cut& ...

excuse my ignorance,but who is Buckaroo Banzai?

FaithHealer3

Originally posted by vixen at 2005-1-10 08:18 PM:

excuse my ignorance,but who is Buckaroo Banzai?

Its a movie character. Its an old sci-fic movie by same name that is Buckaroo Banzai... acted by Peter Weller(of Robo-Cop fame).

Oreng

Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 2005-1-10 06:04 PM:
Going by Oreng's supposition, where the nearest time is the determining factor, then perhaps all Muslims should believe in Jesus more than Muhammad.

This is because the time taken for an account ...

Why you did not notice my posting much earlier above which read as follows : ?

<No matter, you cannot simply use time-lapse as basis of right or wrong. Sometimes, the right emerge after many years, whether in tens or hundred or thousand years. I should not teach you this.

Oreng

Originally posted by Debmey at 2005-1-10 07:40 PM:



Did Muhamad meet Jesus?

Did you meet your jesus ?

Originally posted by Oreng at 11-1-2005 08:24 AM:

Did you meet your jesus ?

see...when you didn't met him then you don't know about him, so does muhammad, but those who wrote the gospel really did met jesus, so they know...

vixen

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 2005-1-10 08:30 PM:

Its a movie character. Its an old sci-fic movie by same name that is Buckaroo Banzai... acted by Peter Weller(of Robo-Cop fame).



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I see .thanks.didn't know coz not much of a movie buff.

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I win! I win!

The End.

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Sounds incredibly familiar hehehe

Originally posted by Debmey at 10-1-2005 07:40 PM:



Did Muhamad meet Jesus?

What are u talking about??

Debmey

Simple. Since muhamad did not meet Jesus and lived a thousand miles from where it happned 600 years later, why shld anyone beleive in his account of Jesus?

snipersnake

because it was revealed to him in AL QURAN.

Debmey

revealed by who?

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-1-2005 05:25 PM:
Simple. Since muhamad did not meet Jesus and lived a thousand miles from where it happned 600 years later, why shld anyone beleive in his account of Jesus?

Similarly with the Bible,  if Paul had never met Jesus and lived way ahead in time of Jesus's death, why should anyone believe his account of Jesus?

ashna

Originally posted by Debmey at 11-1-2005 05:30 PM:
revealed by who?

what do you have in mind? st. paul? ;)