Beware of false prophets

snipersnake

Then you must have never read your own Quran. Mohd condemned Christianity and other religions alright.
=verse or hadith to support this

Yes indeed, we are taught how to spot false prophets and expose them.
Not only did Mohd fail in prophecy and thereby fail the criteria of prophethood, he violated God's laws by coveting other people's wives.
=give one valid historical account

Yes, we do love, thats why we need to tell you the truth abt the false prophet.
I don't think Islam is a loving religion. That notion of Islam does not exist in the Quran and only in your imaginations.
=u dont even understand quran and yet u speak like this/??

Muslism have been doing that all along. What do you have to say abt that?
=give one prophet that we condemned.

snipersnake

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 24-1-2005 05:06 AM:



i am not rejecting Adam but God  wrote Sabbath and that should be observed. No question ask. simple as that. Don't reason with God when HE wrote Sabbath. if u challenged HIM, then u see more  ...

so u r saying that u only recognise prophets with books..rite??

Truth.8

Originally posted by snipersnake at  11:19 PM:


so u r saying that u only recognise prophets with books..rite??

did i say that? I do believed in adam is prophet  but when God put HIS own written hand , are u dare to challenge that?? answere me

Truth.8

Muhammad promote polygamy & ended marrying many wives but giving excuses that these womens are widow. what kind example this men brought.

Now look at the Bible point of view:

From the text of scripture and from the historical records of the time we
can conclude that polygamy was not known among the Jews or the Romans
during the time of Christ. Yet, in His answer to the Pharisees about the
Mosaic permission concerning divorce, we can see that polygamy also fits
into this category of something permitted for a time but never part of
God's original plan. Here is part of the discussion between Christ and
the Pharisees on this subject.

Mark 10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement,
and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart
he wrote you this precept.
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to
his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but
one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Notice a couple of facts. From the beginning of the creation, God made
humans as male and female so that a man could leave his parents, cleave
unto his wife, and the two should be one flesh. If this teaching (taken
from Genesis 2:21-24) restricts divorce, it even more strongly supports
monogamy in marriage. God never set up for three to be one flesh. The Old
Testament permission was just that--permission based on the hardness of
their hearts. The divine plan is for one man and one woman to join in
marriage and become one flesh.

Paul also refutes polygamy by his teaching. 1Corinthians 7:2 states,
"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and
let every woman have her own husband." Certainly, this statement makes no
sense apart from marriage being a monogamous joining. Paul makes no
provision for polygamy. Neither should we.

Let us look at the New Testament: Matthew 25:1-13 from the  Bible:

The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1. "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
2. Five of them were foolish and five were wise.
3. The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them.
4. The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps.
5. The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6. "At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7. "Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps.
8. The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9. " 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10. "But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11. "Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12. "But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13. "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

According to Jesus' parable, the bridegroom married 5 of the ten virgins!  It seems also that Jesus in this parable really allowed for all women to be naked in one room with their one husband.  THIS IS INDEED VERY SICK!!!  Polygamy is allowed in Islam, but it is forbidden for the man to share the room with more than one wife at a time.

'Abd al-Rahman, the son of Abu Sa'id al-Khudri, reported from his father: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:  "A man should not see the private parts of another man, and a woman should not see the private parts of another woman, and a man should not lie with another man under one covering, and a woman should not lie with another woman under one covering.  (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0667)"

But anyway, Jesus in his parable clearly and irrefutably allowed polygamy.

Debmey

Originally posted by snipersnake at 2005-1-24 11:18 PM:
Then you must have never read your own Quran. Mohd condemned Christianity and other religions alright.
=verse or hadith to support this

Yes indeed, we are taught how to spot false prophets and  ...

There are many verses. I'll let you explain one by one starting from the cow.

What do you think of 1:7?

Where in the NT do you see a direct condemnation of polygamy?  And if I were a Christian with many wives, do I have to divorce them and keep just one?

Also, to those who disagree with my points on Matthew 25:1-13 above, why is Jesus' parable not allowing polygamy to you?  It seems quite clear and straightforward to me.  5 virgins marrying one man is as clear as it gets.  

Also, why is the Bible so big on "virgins"?   I mean in the Old Testament, we see commands about killing all non virgin women, men and children and keep the virgins: "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 31:17)"

In the OT, we also see that a virgin is forced to marry her rapist: "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver.  He must marry the girl, for he has violated her.  He can never divorce her as long as he lives. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:28)"

And in the NT we see Jesus using virgins in his parable in the section above.  So if women who lose their virginity without marriage mean that they lose their real value and become something bad, then where would this leave more than 90% of the so-called christian women today (all not virgins)?  In the dumpster?

Truth.8

Originally posted by KENNKID at  11:46 PM:
Let us look at the New Testament: Matthew 25:1-13 from the  Bible:

The Parable of the Ten Virgins

1. "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten  ...

Kennkid making fooled out of himself. Jesu says parable.

Kennkid indeed brainless:lol

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 2005-1-24 11:53 PM:

Kennkid making fooled out of himself. Jesu says parable.

Kennkid indeed brainless

The houris that you keep quoting in your condemnation of Islam also has not happened and is regarded as a tamsil or example - an earthly story with a heavenly meaning.

What is your understanding of the term 'parable'?

Again, lets look at the dictionary:

par穉穊le    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (pr-bl)
n.

A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=parable


It is also an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. The same with the hadith about the houris that you keep quoting to bash Islam.

So, a parable is a simple story illustrating a moral lesson. The simple story here is about a man with 5 wives. Any indication that it is a false story?

nightlord

KENKID tries to explain the term PARABLE but he himself does not understand it.

The Quran does not use PARABLES as Kenkid claims, since he does not understand what it is.

And he thinks one man and 5 wives is sick, and he calls himself a muslim with four.

The story of the houris is not a parable.

It is a promise of what is to come for muslims who die for islam.

Many muslim in the world believe the houris are real, except Kenkid of course, who I think is loyally sticking to only ONE WIFE.

Originally posted by nightlord at 2005-1-25 12:20 AM:
KENKID tries to explain the term PARABLE but he himself does not understand it.

The Quran does not use PARABLES as Kenkid claims, since he does not understand what it is.

And he thinks one ma ...

The houris story is a hadith, not the Qur'an.... and who says the Qur'an or the hadith does not use parables, just because the English word 'parable' is not used?

Do you know Arabic? You don't and you will never be able to appreciate the beauty of what is in the Qur'an and the hadith. It contains more than what the 'lowly' parables that you people seem to be so  proud of that is found in the bible - a billion billion times more. The Arabic language has not been chosen by God Almighty to be the language in which HIS FINAL REVELATION was given to mankind, for nothing. If only you know.

[ Last edited by KENNKID on 25-1-2005 at 12:32 AM ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by nightlord at  12:20 AM:
Many muslim in the world believe the houris are real, except Kenkid of course, who I think is loyally sticking to only ONE WIFE....

thats because Kennkid has his own version of hadith. He is always in confused state.
If he would to debate in Muslim forum, he will get banned

nightlord

And then again we also know he doesnt understand what a hadith actually is.

So he just goes round and round on a merry go round looking at the world proclaiming that what he sees is the world.

Truth.8

Originally posted by nightlord at  12:55 AM:
And then again we also know he doesnt understand what a hadith actually is.

So he just goes round and round on a merry go round looking at the world proclaiming that what he sees is the world.

yup he going around & around and sooner or later he going get his brain tumor.:lol

excecuse moi Mr. me  .. tis is moi 2cent opinion


"Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep .. blah blah blah

tis is just cheap tactic by kristian
so that helps to create
order and control among Christians
sooooo tey will not loose too many followers to the other religions!

snipersnake

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 24-1-2005 05:21 AM:



did i say that? I do believed in adam is prophet  but when God put HIS own written hand , are u dare to challenge that?? answere me

but adam spoke to god directly..u named the prophets with the books before..that is why i asked you..

snipersnake

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-1-2005 05:49 AM:


There are many verses. I'll let you explain one by one starting from the cow.

What do you think of 1:7?

see? u dont know quran..the heifer (albaqarah) is the second surah, not the first.nevermind i will correct you.

the verse.

All鈎 has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearings, (i.e. they are closed from accepting All鈎's Guidance), and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be a great torment. (albaqarah 7)

well..lets start..can u see the sixth verse..

Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe.(albaqarah 6)

well can u see there? the verse explained itself..

u cant take one verse from the quran just like that.i think i told you before. if u take it just one verse, the meaning will not be complete. and oh by the way, these are from Allah, not muhammad. so muhammad never condemned christianity.


ok now go look for sites that condemn islam and again post your 'queries' here. i will answer them insyallah

snipersnake

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 24-1-2005 07:14 AM:


yup he going around & around and sooner or later he going get his brain tumor.:lol

so in christian u can wish others to be ill fated?

Debmey

Originally posted by nightlord at 2005-1-25 12:20 AM:

KENKID tries to explain the term PARABLE but he himself does not understand it.

The Quran does not use PARABLES as Kenkid claims, since he does not understand what it is.

And he thinks one man and 5 wives is sick, and he calls himself a muslim with four.

The story of the houris is not a parable.

It is a promise of what is to come for muslims who die for islam.

Many muslim in the world believe the houris are real, except Kenkid of course, who I think is loyally sticking to only ONE WIFE.
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I think Kennkid does not know the meaning of parable.
I think he is desperately trying to defend Islam and ended up twisting islamic teachings in the process.
His behavior of al taqiya is fully appreciated under Islam, even if it means twisting Islamic teachings.

peace

snipersnake

Originally posted by Debmey at 24-1-2005 04:00 PM:




I think Kennkid does not know the meaning of parable.
I think he is desperately trying to defend Islam and ended up twisting islamic teachings in the process.
His behavior of al ...

deb..what is al taqiya